#Free Russell

[John63]

It doesn't matter if he should or shouldn't be asked to carry the offense. He has done it time and time again. Clearly, the running game isn't near what they thought it was going to be, at least so far.
As far as Sunday goes, w/out Peterson in there, they are giving up over 460 yards a game. I think Russ tops 300 again and throws a couple TD's to Lockett.

If PC let's him, this is the kind of game I could see PC trying to establish the run at all cost and once again waiting till it's to late to let him loose.

 

[Fade]

If that happens (it won’t), we miss the playoffs.

Your Pete take is insanity. We are a universe away from a 2-seed roster. Pete is the largest reason we even win as many as we do. Do we have to fight off the vultures after every loss?

Go back and look at the QBs they lose to over the years in the regular season, and the QBs they beat. If you haven't yet.

They lost to Austin Davis for crying out loud. They are literally a .500 team against bad QBs (look it up). Even if it's a win, usually it's by the skin of their teeth.

Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, DeShaun Watson, Ben Roethlisberger, and Tom Brady? No Problem. It's not an insane take when the results over an extended period of time show this. It's insane to believe otherwise, and ignore the data.

The Russell Wilson Seahawks are more likely to lose to a Teddy Bridgewater, or a Drew Stanton, than they are to an Aaron Rodgers, or a Drew Brees.

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Wilson is going to hit those numbers due to the defense. Volume numbers for a QB are effected by the defense they have. Brees didn't throw for 4,000 yards last year because he finally had a defense in a long time, so it required less of his heroics from season's past to win games.

Wilson is now paired with an avg defense, it is going to require him to throw more to pull out games. He is going to have the best volume numbers of his career. Bear in mind I don't put a lot of stock into volume numbers for this reason. I am just going to find it funny when people who said he was incapable of those kinds of numbers begin damage controlling when he hits them. When I pointed out the side effects of playing with an elite defense many years ago.

 

[Fade]

Russell Wilson is not the kind of QB that’s gonna carry you with his arm. He’s still largely an opportunistic QB - piling up stats in prevent defense (as the case against NO), or throwing bombs when the running game draws the defense in. That’s why his stats are so good. He’ll never be the kind of pocket QB you want him to be. Seattle found success again by running and playing good defense.

Wrong.

He is the best 4th quarter QB of all-time, and the Seahawks are rarely ever in the position of playing in garbage time to face prevent defenses. He finally had a chance last week, but it hardly ever comes up.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I sometimes wonder how people come up with this stuff. One of the best finishers this league has ever seen. How is that not being able to take over and carry a team??? It's one thing to not like the guy, but to deny the obvious truth is what consistently gets old. 7 plus years of the same lame argument. All the things he "can't do" are things he flat out CAN and DOES do.

 

[John63]

If that happens (it won’t), we miss the playoffs.

Your Pete take is insanity. We are a universe away from a 2-seed roster. Pete is the largest reason we even win as many as we do. Do we have to fight off the vultures after every loss?

Lol PC is the largest reason, thanks for the laugh.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Russell Wilson is not the kind of QB that’s gonna carry you with his arm. He’s still largely an opportunistic QB - piling up stats in prevent defense (as the case against NO), or throwing bombs when the running game draws the defense in. That’s why his stats are so good. He’ll never be the kind of pocket QB you want him to be. Seattle found success again by running and playing good defense.

Wrong.

He is the best 4th quarter QB of all-time, and the Seahawks are rarely ever in the position of playing in garbage time to face prevent defenses. He finally had a chance last week, but it hardly ever comes up.

Russell threw the ball what, 50 times on Sunday? Loss.

Russell also threw the ball the first two games last year in Chicago and Denver when Schotty and Pete admitted that they threw it too much. Loss and Loss.

You guys hyper fixate on "taking the reins off Russell." When in reality what you really are saying is stop being so run predictable in the first halves of games and be my dynamic with the playcalling so Russell CAN do more in that respect.

So it's not so much "just let Russell throw it more." It's;

- be more dynamic in playcalling
- stop being so predictable in first halves of game with conservative establish the run schemes
- Give Russell and Schotty more freedom pre and in game for adjustments and playcalling

Those are the sorts of things Pete needs to change his ways on, not just we want Russell to throw it 40-50 times a game. That doesn't work.

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

Russell Wilson is not the kind of QB that’s gonna carry you with his arm. He’s still largely an opportunistic QB - piling up stats in prevent defense (as the case against NO), or throwing bombs when the running game draws the defense in. That’s why his stats are so good. He’ll never be the kind of pocket QB you want him to be. Seattle found success again by running and playing good defense.

Wrong.

He is the best 4th quarter QB of all-time, and the Seahawks are rarely ever in the position of playing in garbage time to face prevent defenses. He finally had a chance last week, but it hardly ever comes up.

Russell threw the ball what, 50 times on Sunday? Loss.

Russell also threw the ball the first two games last year in Chicago and Denver when Schotty and Pete admitted that they threw it too much. Loss and Loss.

You guys hyper fixate on "taking the reins off Russell." When in reality what you really are saying is stop being so run predictable in the first halves of games and be my dynamic with the playcalling so Russell CAN do more in that respect.

So it's not so much "just let Russell throw it more." It's;

- be more dynamic in playcalling
- stop being so predictable in first halves of game with conservative establish the run schemes
- Give Russell and Schotty more freedom pre and in game for adjustments and playcalling

Those are the sorts of things Pete needs to change his ways on, not just we want Russell to throw it 40-50 times a game. That doesn't work.

Well said Sarge. Hawks are 2-11 I believe I read when Russ throws 40+ times. Just proves balance is most effective.

 

[TwistedHusky]

The idea that if Russ throws more, we somehow become easier to beat is ridiculous.

Yes, with our current style of play and predilections - games where Wilson passes 50+ times are a sign of a game we are either losing or under threat of losing.

That does not mean that if we started passing the ball 50+ times a game our chances of losing would go up. (It would likely decrease and we would be a harder team to beat.)

It just means that since Pete has a specific way he plays, Wilson passing frequently is a sign our defense is struggling or we are behind by more than a TD in the 1st half or close to a TD in the 2nd half.

 

[Chawker]

You can't free Russ Wilson, in the second half we where down 27 to 7 the only time we ran the ball is when Russ had too. This is Dangeruss and he will get hurt at some point.
Every winning Superbowl team has a good solid running game, Beast mode..... A good running game is a QB's best friend.
How long can you get away with throw the ball 50 times a game before teams start blitzing you so much that Russ will be like chalk and he will have to be swept-up to be removed from the field. Its just not a smart way to run a railroad.

:229031_cheers:

 

[Fade]

Russell Wilson is not the kind of QB that’s gonna carry you with his arm. He’s still largely an opportunistic QB - piling up stats in prevent defense (as the case against NO), or throwing bombs when the running game draws the defense in. That’s why his stats are so good. He’ll never be the kind of pocket QB you want him to be. Seattle found success again by running and playing good defense.

Wrong.

He is the best 4th quarter QB of all-time, and the Seahawks are rarely ever in the position of playing in garbage time to face prevent defenses. He finally had a chance last week, but it hardly ever comes up.

Russell threw the ball what, 50 times on Sunday? Loss.

Russell also threw the ball the first two games last year in Chicago and Denver when Schotty and Pete admitted that they threw it too much. Loss and Loss.

You guys hyper fixate on "taking the reins off Russell." When in reality what you really are saying is stop being so run predictable in the first halves of games and be my dynamic with the playcalling so Russell CAN do more in that respect.

So it's not so much "just let Russell throw it more." It's;

- be more dynamic in playcalling
- stop being so predictable in first halves of game with conservative establish the run schemes
- Give Russell and Schotty more freedom pre and in game for adjustments and playcalling

Those are the sorts of things Pete needs to change his ways on, not just we want Russell to throw it 40-50 times a game. That doesn't work.

Well said Sarge. Hawks are 2-11 I believe I read when Russ throws 40+ times. Just proves balance is most effective.

Causation vs Correlation. Wilson isn't allowed to throw the ball unless they are losing.

Again guys check the data.



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The Seahawks offense has problems, Russell Wilson isn't one of them. In fact he has been masking their problems for years.

#Free Russell

 

[SoulfishHawk]

But remember, he can't carry the team :?

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Causation vs Correlation. Wilson isn't allowed to throw the ball unless they are losing.

Again guys check the data

#Free Russell

This is not true at all, and none of the graphs and Tweets prove any of this. Our first drive against NO was all passes.......and check any box score over the past two years, it's definitely more runs, but it's also definitely not Russell only throws if we're losing.

This is about balance and being dynamic and unpredictable with our schemes and playcalling. It's not just about Russell coming out and throwing it 25 straight times.

Ask Aaron Rodgers and other elite QB's how that works. It not only leads to losses, but usually them getting hurt when they drop back and take hits. Hell, that's especially true here with our terrible O-line's pass pro.

Russell wouldn't make it two games if Pete just allowed him to chuck it all over the yard and not try to establish some balance.

I hate that we're so predictable and conservative in first halves. So that part I'm in 100% agreement. But #FreeRussell meaning allow this to become some sort of pass oriented offense like KC or elsewhere? Sorry, but that's not something you can turn on or off like a light switch.

It takes YEARS of drafting and developing the right players to fit around that style of offense........including hiring the right coaches to implement and install it.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

We don't have the pass protection to have him throw 40 plus times a game. This teams record is MUCH better when he passes between say 25-30 times in a game, along with a solid running game. But, the predictable play calling is ridiculous. We shouldn't be able to be sitting in the stands and call out what the next play is going to be, and believe me it happens a LOT.

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

Fade: using Evan Hill to support your point is like me using the guy that plays guitar in the house band at the tavern down the street to argue that Hendrix is the greatest guitarist of all-time. His opinion might be the same as mine, but it carries no weight.

 

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Causation vs Correlation. Wilson isn't allowed to throw the ball unless they are losing.

Again guys check the data

#Free Russell

This is not true at all, and none of the graphs and Tweets prove any of this. Our first drive against NO was all passes.......and check any box score over the past two years, it's definitely more runs, but it's also definitely not Russell only throws if we're losing.

This is about balance and being dynamic and unpredictable with our schemes and playcalling. It's not just about Russell coming out and throwing it 25 straight times.

Ask Aaron Rodgers and other elite QB's how that works. It not only leads to losses, but usually them getting hurt when they drop back and take hits. Hell, that's especially true here with our terrible O-line's pass pro.

Russell wouldn't make it two games if Pete just allowed him to chuck it all over the yard and not try to establish some balance.

I hate that we're so predictable and conservative in first halves. So that part I'm in 100% agreement. But #FreeRussell meaning allow this to become some sort of pass oriented offense like KC or elsewhere? Sorry, but that's not something you can turn on or off like a light switch.

It takes YEARS of drafting and developing the right players to fit around that style of offense........including hiring the right coaches to implement and install it.

McVay took the Rams from the #32 offense to the #1 offense the year he showed up. It doesn't take years.

The Cowboys offense has transformed under Kellen Moore.


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-1- Tied 60% (62.5%) run, 40% pass (37.5%)
-2- Leading 50-50
-3- Trailing - Okay, Russell please save us!

I am arguing that the gameplan at the start of games ( -1- ) is putting them in this position ( -3- ). (The data shows they are the Miami Dolphins in the first 15 plays.) They are imbalanced, and predictable at the start of games.

Stop handcuffing Wilson at the start of games, and putting the team behind the 8-ball. Come out with a varied attack that puts their opponents on their heals, and scores some points while they're at it.

But Pete be like... it's not how you start...

#Free Russell

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

Stop handcuffing Wilson at the start of games, and putting the team behind the 8-ball. Come out with a varied attack that puts their opponents on their heals, and scores some points while they're at it.

But Pete be like... it's not how you start...

#Free Russell

This is what I can get behind. Like I said earlier in the thread, 30 something games with only ONE first possession TD. Not good enough.

 

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Fade: using Evan Hill to support your point is like me using the guy that plays guitar in the house band at the tavern down the street to argue that Hendrix is the greatest guitarist of all-time. His opinion might be the same as mine, but it carries no weight.

The Evan Hill tweet was put in there for shits and giggles. He is on point though with that particular tweet. And explains what has been going on for a while.

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

Fade: using Evan Hill to support your point is like me using the guy that plays guitar in the house band at the tavern down the street to argue that Hendrix is the greatest guitarist of all-time. His opinion might be the same as mine, but it carries no weight.

The Evan Hill tweet was put in there for shits and giggles. He is on point though with that particular tweet. And explains what has been going on for a while.

Well you know, blind squirrels and acorns man

 

[Fade]

Stop handcuffing Wilson at the start of games, and putting the team behind the 8-ball. Come out with a varied attack that puts their opponents on their heals, and scores some points while they're at it.

But Pete be like... it's not how you start...

#Free Russell

This is what I can get behind. Like I said earlier in the thread, 30 something games with only ONE first possession TD. Not good enough.

That is all I am arguing. But posters want to extrapolate it into abandoning the run. And bring a lot of misnomers to the table. When the data shows otherwise.

Pete can't gameplan and script the first 15 plays on offense to save his life. The QB, and the team pays the price.

Or at the very least Pete's "Philosophy" interferes with the first 15 plays too much.

#Free Russell.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Stop handcuffing Wilson at the start of games, and putting the team behind the 8-ball. Come out with a varied attack that puts their opponents on their heals, and scores some points while they're at it.

But Pete be like... it's not how you start...

#Free Russell

I'm pretty sure we're both saying the same thing, just in different ways.

Pete's still under the illusion that old antiquated philosophies like establishing the run early in order for it to pay dividends in the 2nd halves of games with wearing down your opponents and opening up the possibilities of explosive plays with play action.

Well yes, that's true. But what we've seen FAR too often over the past 2-3 years is never getting to that point because we're either behind, or we can't get the run game going due to dumb penalties and mistakes killing drives.

This year it's been even worse with Carson's fumbles and an O-line that's now too old and rigid to do anything but inside zone runs. I think I've seen Brown pull twice all year. Which explains why defenses are just stacking the line with five lineman like NO's did plugging all the gaps and stuffing inside zone.