#Free Russell

[Jville]

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[sutz]

Your the ones that want the cookies out of the oven before they are done and then complain when they taste like doe.

You make cookies out of Bambi's mom?

I was going to say I've never had venison flavored cookies. unno:

 

[LTH]

The game against AZ was all I asked for. They built the gameplan around Russ, and were aggressive at the start of the game.

They made their mistakes in the middle of the contest, but by then they had given themselves a nice
little cushion, so it didn't really matter.

Now they need to do this every week, regardless of the opponent.

Wilson would have thrown more had they needed it, but they didn't. This is how it is supposed to work.

#TheyFreedRussell

Your a pretty smart dude I read a lot of your posts...

IMO It is just a progression of learning , continuity, and execution ... it takes a bit of time for the O to come together and gel... someone made a post about wins in quarters and you can see that that Hawks peak in the 3 and 4 quarter of the season this isn't by accident...it's just how it is designed by Carroll...

The Hawks still are not hitting their stride... for example they had great field position in the third quarter and didn't score the D is not getting takeaways like they used to.... this week was a fairly easy opponent as opposed to last week against the Saints that's a good football team.... I think the Hawks are going to struggle a bit in the next few games then they will hit their stride and be awesome...

Carroll is a great coach and Shotty is a great coordinator and the truth is they are still learning each other as well...

just my take

LTH

Normally I am a patient person and would go along with "It's a process", but this has been an obvious problem for years. It's nice to see them rollout a different script, centered around their dynamic QB at the start of the game for a change. Something they should be doing every week to give themselves the best chance to win. THUR night, if they can put the Rams in the hole early, Goff will turn it over, and it can snowball from there.

Edit#

That 3rd qtr lull was due to establishing the run come hell or high water. I'm fine with that up 3 scores.

Edit:This is a blurb from a Sando article


Since Wilson became a starter in 2012, nine teams have finished a season ranked among the top 20 percent in all three of the following categories:
run-heaviness on early downs in the first 28 minutes
explosive pass rate
fewest turnovers on plays from scrimmage
Five of those nine teams were Carroll-coached Seattle teams. The other four included Washington (2012), Minnesota (2015), Tennessee (2018) and Houston (2018). All nine had winning records. Two of the Seattle teams reached the Super Bowl.

 

[John63]

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Exactly u
So far this year they have let Wilson go. It was not always about the number of throws but the type and timing.

 

[John63]

The game against AZ was all I asked for. They built the gameplan around Russ, and were aggressive at the start of the game.

They made their mistakes in the middle of the contest, but by then they had given themselves a nice
little cushion, so it didn't really matter.

Now they need to do this every week, regardless of the opponent.

Wilson would have thrown more had they needed it, but they didn't. This is how it is supposed to work.

#TheyFreedRussell

Your a pretty smart dude I read a lot of your posts...

IMO It is just a progression of learning , continuity, and execution ... it takes a bit of time for the O to come together and gel... someone made a post about wins in quarters and you can see that that Hawks peak in the 3 and 4 quarter of the season this isn't by accident...it's just how it is designed by Carroll...

The Hawks still are not hitting their stride... for example they had great field position in the third quarter and didn't score the D is not getting takeaways like they used to.... this week was a fairly easy opponent as opposed to last week against the Saints that's a good football team.... I think the Hawks are going to struggle a bit in the next few games then they will hit their stride and be awesome...

Carroll is a great coach and Shotty is a great coordinator and the truth is they are still learning each other as well...

just my take

LTH

Normally I am a patient person and would go along with "It's a process", but this has been an obvious problem for years. It's nice to see them rollout a different script, centered around their dynamic QB at the start of the game for a change. Something they should be doing every week to give themselves the best chance to win. THUR night, if they can put the Rams in the hole early, Goff will turn it over, and it can snowball from there.

Edit#

That 3rd qtr lull was due to establishing the run come hell or high water. I'm fine with that up 3 scores.

Edit:This is a blurb from a Sando article


Since Wilson became a starter in 2012, nine teams have finished a season ranked among the top 20 percent in all three of the following categories:
run-heaviness on early downs in the first 28 minutes
explosive pass rate
fewest turnovers on plays from scrimmage
Five of those nine teams were Carroll-coached Seattle teams. The other four included Washington (2012), Minnesota (2015), Tennessee (2018) and Houston (2018). All nine had winning records. Two of the Seattle teams reached the Super Bowl.

Great, does not mean this team or any others could not have done more or been better. Especially with a QB like Wilson.

 

[Tical21]

I’m strangely ok with being extremely successful.

 

[John63]

I’m strangely ok with being extremely successful.

So you would not be okay with being even more successful than we have been huh.

 

[KiwiHawk]

I’m strangely ok with being extremely successful.

So you would not be okay with being even more successful than we have been huh.

I'm not entirely convinced you are aware of how logic works.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

How about that NAILS throw FROM THE POCKET to Lockett in the final Hawks drive on 3rd down? Something he supposedly can't do :lol:

 

[John63]

I’m strangely ok with being extremely successful.

So you would not be okay with being even more successful than we have been huh.

I'm not entirely convinced you are aware of how logic works.

I am sorry my post requires you to read the whole thread and think. Let me help you, he alluded to how successful we have been as to why we should not criticize PC and be happy. I and others have been making the point that we could be even more successful, if PC did want good coaches do and adapt.

 

[Jville]

(On how Sean McVay has committed to his philosophies and sticking to who he is and if that is rare for a young coach) “I think it’s kind of rare. I think it’s rare. There’s a lot of young guys that are trying. We’ll watch and we’ll see what happens. We’re rooting for them and all that. I think he’s been a rare example of a guy who’s been clear in what he wanted to do and how he wanted to do it. Did not try to do it like other people in many ways. Had his own thoughts about it, which I totally admire. Now, as guys get started, it’s okay, you can get off to a good start. Then you’ve got to sustain. You’ve got to figure out how to adapt and all that. He’s in year three, so he’s working at it. Fortunately for him and his program, they’ve been operating at the top end of it. They’ve been winning and getting out in front of it and all that. Here they go again. I think it’s unusual. He’s opened the doors for a lot of young coaches which is great. A lot of guys are getting chances in hopes that they can pull off what he did. I don’t think it has to do with how old you are. I think it has to do more with who you are and what you’re all about, your experiences and all of that. Can you put it together? Can you hold it together? It’s hard. It’s hard to do this.” -- Pete Carroll

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We are in good hands with Pete Carroll.

 

[chris98251]

I’m strangely ok with being extremely successful.

So you would not be okay with being even more successful than we have been huh.

I'm not entirely convinced you are aware of how logic works.

I am sorry my post requires you to read the whole thread and think. Let me help you, he alluded to how successful we have been as to why we should not criticize PC and be happy. I and others have been making the point that we could be even more successful, if PC did want good coaches do and adapt.

Pete has made a living out of not going with trends but setting them, in doing so you look out of sync, like a base defense set we are running right now.

I will trust him, our running game works better because teams were stacking for the passing game in the league, after Lynch we are now seeing teams focus on RB's again. NFL is a Ebb and Flow league once everyone has something figured out you have to be different to have a better level of success, that's something we have done with Pete. Different can mean using methods that were used 10 or 20 years ago because teams have a bunch of personnel not set up to defend and or be able to run an offense against it.

As much as I hate to say it the Patriots change up a lot given who they have on their team as well.

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

Our MLB is our best player, and it isn't close.

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Yeah, he really tore it up on Sunday. :roll:

Wagner needs to play better.


Wilson could be putting up even better numbers if allowed, which is a scary thought.

Only 2 QBs have 10 total TDs and 0 INT.

Mahomes
Wilson

That is it.

Not surprised at Bobby's numbers. Eye test this year has told me his performance has been down a bit.

As for Russ, I was flipping through the sports stations this morning and stopped on one and immediately heard Peter King say "Russell Wilson is the best QB in the NFL not named Mahomes right now". It was Colin Cowturd's show so he said nothing and instead instantly started talking about Dak and the Cowpatties so I just changed the channel rather than listen to him yet again fellate team Jerruh.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Wags had 18 tackles in the Saints game.

 

[Fade]

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Which proves my point.

If you have a QB producing at that level, why the hell would you handcuff Wilson at the start of games? Especially when they go against backup QBs, and bad teams.

They need to continue to utilize gameplans like they had against AZ, where they threw it more than they ran it for the entire first half, while centered around Wilson. And less of what they rolled out against Cincy.

Don't let the bad teams hang around and give them hope. Squash them.

 

[Ozzy]

For all the run at all costs crowd the Arizona game probably wasn't much fun. They were slightly more aggressive early with Wilson and it paid off. No one is arguing we should never run only that Russ is so efficient that we should probably capitalize on that a little earlier in games and in the long run it would actually help the run game become more efficient in the process. I like Pete's approach I've just argued forever he's a little too conservative and he does hold back the offense at times. I think if you were sitting down with Schott or Bevell and drinking beer they would say the same thing.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Mixing it up works a lot better with this team. Just my own opinion. But the we are a running team, arms folded refusing to adapt thing doesn't work. IF it's working, hell yes pound that rock and eat that clock.
Shoot, them being more aggressive and not so predictable helped big time on Sunday. Then when it counted, there was that 8 minute drive with a nice mix of plays and pounding the rock when needed. That D was so tired, they had no shot of stopping Carson or the rest of the offense.

 

[justafan]

For all the run at all costs crowd the Arizona game probably wasn't much fun. They were slightly more aggressive early with Wilson and it paid off. No one is arguing we should never run only that Russ is so efficient that we should probably capitalize on that a little earlier in games and in the long run it would actually help the run game become more efficient in the process. I like Pete's approach I've just argued forever he's a little too conservative and he does hold back the offense at times. I think if you were sitting down with Schott or Bevell and drinking beer they would say the same thing.

I am a huge fan of a tough physical run team. But a seahawk fan first regardless of how they win. How can anyone not have fun watching that game?
That was the best game this offense has played all year as far as execution,toughness and running the ball.I loved it. It was a great balance of run and pass.

 

[thegameq]

Within the context of this thread specifically, it seems that the main difference between the opinions merely hinges on the concept of "relative".

Yes, with Russel at the helm, we win nearly all of our games. Thanks Pete! BUT I believe that what Fade, et al. are saying is that WE COULD BE EVEN BETTER. Which I agree with. Pete is a great head coach- but he put together an historic defense with which probably at least half of today's coaches could have coached to Super Bowl victory. Yes, he put it together- PROPS- it was an awesome job, but right now we don't have the luxury of having a defense that will hold on to almost any lead they're given. On the contrary, we have a defense that gives up yards like they're incentivised to do so!

Russell could lead any team in the NFL right now to an 8-8 record. Put him on the 'Phins and they go 8-8. I believe he's been at that level since 2013. So...why shouldn't people be concerned that we're only going 9-7, 10-6 in each of the past 4 seasons? They have every right to be concerned! How are all of you so sure we maxed out our potential? How do you know we couldn't have gone 12-4 last year with a few different "gameplans" along the way? Why did we only have 202 yds passing in a game we lost at home by more than a touchdown? A game we are down by 9 at halftime? How the hell do we let the Chargers come in and beat us?

The OP, to me, says now that we don't have that historic defense, we need to lean on our best player MORE THAN PETE's PHILOSOPHY normally dictates. Which is what we did against Arizona.

Yes, we're 3-1, AWESOME! but we should be 4-0 and in the driver's seat for HFA. Hey, relative to other teams and to our past, hell yes we should be happy with what we have. I am happy! But that's different than being content. As soon as you become content, its over- the fans that have become content are ok with a title 6 years ago and a playoff birth every year. Which is fine, but some want more. And we can be better than we are. We could have done better the past 4 years.

I guarantee Russ isn't content with one title. Fade isn't content with that. Why should anyone be when we have one of the best QBs in the league? In our history? We should be 4-0 right now and should be scoring no less than 3 TDs a game on offense with our current roster. We just scored two against the worst defense in the league at AZ.

Anyone else find it weird that stuff like this has to be said?.......We're all happy the Seahawks are "winning". But the team can do a lot better than what we are seeing on the field if Pete was simply more flexible. Philosophy should never trump winning. Coaches who chose their philosophy over winning leads to a frustrated fan-base. They inevitably exhaust all the goodwill they earned and wear out their welcome. We've seen it play out over and over in the NFL. So what is there to lose from having a more flexible offense that plays to the strengths of the QB? Ego? "I got to do it my way and if it fails, I fail on my terms". I know this was a sticking point with Pete when he was hired, but I'd like to think he isn't that ego driven.

 

[Tical21]

See what happens if you pass more. I sincerely hope you guys don't get your wish. I kind of like winning and having a QB with league-leading efficiency.