Bring Jon Gruden in for OC

[DarkVictory23]

I know I’m alone but I really don’t think Grubb is the problem. Today they tried running under center, outside, inside, shotgun and when that didn’t work they tried getting the scream game going to help out. Not saying he’s perfect but I think this line really holds him back.

Honestly, I think Grubb has been trying to adjust as the season has gone on, which is all I really want from him.

But! Unless I missed it, we didn't do a single jet sweep nor try to give to the upback nor any designed QB runs this week. I'm not sure why after we did a lot of that stuff last week. We need to keep being creative in our run game because--obviously--our line is bad.

Going under center more, trying to get outside a little more, those were good steps but we can't get away from doing those creative things to keep the defense off balance.


My biggest thing with Grubb is that it kind of feels a bit like a missed opportunity. We finished 2023 on a high note offensively (from that Dallas game in week 13 when we made some adjustments to our offense, we finished as the #7 team in scoring rate... and that includes two games with our backup QB) so if we could somehow marry how that offense looked with how this defense looks... but of course, we can't have both, so whatever.

Grubb is learning and I think things are looking up despite the scoring totals right now.

 

[Chapow]

Seahawks fans, including myself, seem to universally agree that we have a really bad OLine. Many also seem to believe we don't have a very good QB. Or at the very least, a QB that has a tendency to commit critical mistakes at the most inopportune moments. And yet, we have the 10th ranked offense by yards per game, 15th by points per game.

So, horrible OLine, average to bad QB (again, according to many here), but an above average to top 10 offense overall, and this equates to Grubb sucks and should be replaced?

Also, every time someone criticizes MacDonald, it's "We need to be patient. It'll take years for MM to get his guys, etc." But no patience for Grubb? We should expect Grubb to immediately be one of the best offensive coordinators in the NFL, even with a terrible OLine and average to bad QB? And this seems reasonable?

 

[FrodosFinger]

It’s funny. When Geno is throwing dots and moving the ball (they had 18 first downs today) nobody really talks about the OC but when our running backs get stuffed behind a pias poor interior line it’s suddenly Grubb’s fault. lol

 

[Ozzy]

Honestly, I think Grubb has been trying to adjust as the season has gone on, which is all I really want from him.

But! Unless I missed it, we didn't do a single jet sweep nor try to give to the upback nor any designed QB runs this week. I'm not sure why after we did a lot of that stuff last week. We need to keep being creative in our run game because--obviously--our line is bad.

Going under center more, trying to get outside a little more, those were good steps but we can't get away from doing those creative things to keep the defense off balance.


My biggest thing with Grubb is that it kind of feels a bit like a missed opportunity. We finished 2023 on a high note offensively (from that Dallas game in week 13 when we made some adjustments to our offense, we finished as the #7 team in scoring rate... and that includes two games with our backup QB) so if we could somehow marry how that offense looked with how this defense looks... but of course, we can't have both, so whatever.

Grubb is learning and I think things are looking up despite the scoring totals right now.

solid post and mirrors a lot of my thoughts

 

[DarkVictory23]

Seahawks fans, including myself, seem to universally agree that we have a really bad OLine. Many also seem to believe we don't have a very good QB. Or at the very least, a QB that has a tendency to commit critical mistakes at the most inopportune moments. And yet, we have the 10th ranked offense by yards per game, 15th by points per game.

So, horrible OLine, average to bad QB (again, according to many here), but an above average to top 10 offense overall, and this equates to Grubb sucks and should be replaced?

Also, every time someone criticizes MacDonald, it's "We need to be patient. It'll take years for MM to get his guys, etc." But no patience for Grubb? We should expect Grubb to immediately be one of the best offensive coordinators in the NFL, even with a terrible OLine and average to bad QB? And this seems reasonable?

I think it kind of ties in to what I mentioned in my post just above yours: We were a near top 10 offense last year (and finished the season closer to a top 5 offense), we were a top 10 offense in 2022.

Meanwhile, our defense was bottom 10ish in 2022 and bottom 5 last year. Grubb inherited a decent offense (yes, with a very bad offensive line, admittedly) whereas Mac inherited a bottom of the barrel defense. Expectations, fairly or not, are different in those circumstances.


Also, fans can instantly (or at least they think so) ascertain what went wrong on offense. It's easy to go 'well, you should have passed here and ran there' whereas defensive failures often feel more like they are just on the players. Defensive failures at the play calling level are a little more difficult to ascertain watching live broadcast football.

 

[AROS]

If we got pro bowl guards and center we ain’t having this thread. Meh.

 

[Smellyman]

If we got pro bowl guards and center we ain’t having this thread. Meh.

don't need pro bowl. Just average.

 

[FrodosFinger]

If we got pro bowl guards and center we ain’t having this thread. Meh.

Exactly. We are one more draft away from a title run but we need to start paying attention to needs at this point instead of the best available player

 

[Rat]

Exactly. We are one more draft away from a title run but we need to start paying attention to needs at this point instead of the best available player

Wouldn't have Witherspoon or JSN if we had done that. There has to be consideration for both. We did draft a guard in the third last year.

 

[keasley45]

I think the problem is more about not marrying the run looks with the pass game. They telegraph runs with personnel (more likely running with Bobo in) and Grubb never calls play action when he should. Seems like a lot of shotgun play action too.

Geno could also be deadly under center with designed rollouts and that would help the oline forcing the defense to think.

This x 1000. Grubb is great ay what he did in college and struggles everywhere else.

I can tell sitting at home when we a re foing to run or not 80% of the time.

And yes - rollout? Whats a rollout. Its frustrating how absolutley vanilla our game is outsude of Grubbs bread and butter.

 

[JPatera76]

gruden… would imo be a hr/pr headache for the team, and I feel it would disrupt and create a “power struggle” between him and MM tbh. The Two personalities vastly opposite would definitely clash a lot.

 

[JPatera76]

This x 1000. Grubb is great ay what he did in college and struggles everywhere else.

I can tell sitting at home when we a re foing to run or not 80% of the time.

And yes - rollout? Whats a rollout. Its frustrating how absolutley vanilla our game is outsude of Grubbs bread and butter.

I mean we could with bevell and everyone else who’s been OC since… I think we need a stronger and tougher RB. A true grinder like Lynch .. like Derek Henry, Chubb. Walker dances.. and imo because the amount of dancing he does it when he has holes it’s broken him from get the ball and just run. A few of his side to side runs where he was one on one with a defender he danced and lost a yard or two.

 

[CalgaryFan05]

I mean we could with bevell and everyone else who’s been OC since… I think we need a stronger and tougher RB. A true grinder like Lynch .. like Derek Henry, Chubb. Walker dances.. and imo because the amount of dancing he does it when he has holes it’s broken him from get the ball and just run. A few of his side to side runs where he was one on one with a defender he danced and lost a yard or two.

Been pining for Henry.....

I wish we'd stop running it up the middle. Unless we switch to some delayed handoff timing so that the gaps have time to develop. Running on a handoff under center? I don't know the actual stats but I'm guessing they are very bad in that situation for us. I keep saying to pitch it to the outside or RB screen K9. Anything but up the gut.

I'm still wrapping my head around the fact that Charbs actually ran for a couple of first down conversions > 1 yard yesterday. I was like WTF?!

 

[HOF Hater]

There is nothing wrong with Grubb, if we had a QB who was better at running a quick strike offense that didn't have poor decision making in clutch situations it would work even better. Geno is who he is: A talented backup.

 

[toffee]

Will Gruden bring Cable with him?

 

[FrodosFinger]

Will Gruden bring Cable with him?

Tom Cable is a zone blocking genius

 

[TheLegendOfBoom]

You guys think K9 isn’t talented enough and Seattle needs a bruiser like Lynch or Derrick Henry is wild to me.

Like, as if there is only one way to skin a cat….

It comes down to how much cohesion this line has and it’s middle to towards the end in terms of NFL quality.

K9, is very talented and would be great with Baltimore or Philly’s offensive line.

Seattle doesn’t need a bruiser RB when all they would do is get worn out. Seattle needs a capable high quality ranked offensive line.

A high quality offensive line would do both: pass block well and run block well.

If you had a “bruiser” back, Seattle, would still suffer from a terrible run blocking offensive line.

The first piece is and will always be trench warfare.

K9 would be a pro bowler with a good/great offensive line. Establish that first!

 

[BASF]

You guys think K9 isn’t talented enough and Seattle needs a bruiser like Lynch or Derrick Henry is wild to me.

Like, as if there is only one way to skin a cat….

It comes down to how much cohesion this line has and it’s middle to towards the end in terms of NFL quality.

K9, is very talented and would be great with Baltimore or Philly’s offensive line.

Seattle doesn’t need a bruiser RB when all they would do is get worn out. Seattle needs a capable high quality ranked offensive line.

A high quality offensive line would do both: pass block well and run block well.

If you had a “bruiser” back, Seattle, would still suffer from a terrible run blocking offensive line.

The first piece is and will always be trench warfare.

K9 would be a pro bowler with a good/great offensive line. Establish that first!

Some of these people would complain if we had prime Barry Sanders back there.

 

[Appyhawk]

Surely by this point in time Grubb has seen how this O Line performs. He should know what to expect from each and all of them on every play call. Do the same thing, get the same result. That means unless adjustments are made we can expect the same failures we have gotten up to now.

What adjustments could Grubb make? He could use double backs in the backfield to increase block support to create running a lane. They do that with tight ends too. He could use motion to cause confusion for D Linemen assignments. He could adjust O Line assignment to help them divert from mismatched matchups. There are a lot of things he could try. The one thing he seems to be trying is to repeat the same play over and over hoping for improved result.
We have an offensive roster that is loaded with talented skill players who can't do what they could do with a better line. Lacking ability to acquire better talent on the line means you have to get creative in the way you scheme plays. Just calling different plays based on a scheme that isn't producing desired results is a recipe for failure.
Bill Walsh came up with different ways of blocking that was effective for linemen that were not well matched to out physical their opponent. One of those methods he called "influence blocking". I'm just saying we need to get creative and do things your guys know how to do that the other side is not expecting. Coach MM calls it "chasing edges". We may have to CREATE an edge so that we have one. If we can't find a way to run the ball effectively we cannot win consistently.

 

[Lords of Scythia]

Just as long as his main running attack isn't out of the stinking shotgun