Geno Tracking Thread

[NoGain]

Geno's season stats in what could have been his last game of the season today, leaving Sunday's game with an ankle injury:

Passing Yardage: 3025 yards (19th)
Avg Yards Per Pass: 6.8 (23rd)
TD's: 19 (20th)
INT's: 17 (1st)
Sacks: 55 (1st)
Comp Percentage: 67.4 (10th)
QBR: 34.1 (29th)
RTG: 84.7 (30th)

Geno played on a bad Raider team. How much did that play into Geno's statistically bad year, and how much did Geno's poor play lead to the Raiders 2-14 record is up for debate. It's quite possible the Raiders could say bye-bye to both PC and Geno at season's end. Geno's contract is structured so that his dead CAP money is not at all prohibitive to cutting him loose. It would also save them the money they would pay him in non-guaranteed salary. The only question would be will they keep him so that they can bring their QBOTF along more slowly who they will surely take in the draft? My guess would be no, but we'll see. I don't think they'd keep him around as a backup to their QBOTF.

If the Raiders do cut him loose, is this the end of the line for him as a starter in the league? I suppose some team could use him as a short term bridge QB to their longer term answer at QB, although I don't know what team that might be besides the Raiders. He could also serve as a temporary starter if a team's starting QB goes down to injury next year. Other than that, at his age and coming off such a poor season, I think his days as a starter in the league may be over.

 

[NoGain]

It appears that Geno suffered a high ankle sprain on Sunday which in all likelihood will end his season.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Wouldn't be surprised if he gets...................geLEASED in the off season.

I know, cringe. But still fun to me.

 

[hawkfan68]

It appears that Geno suffered a high ankle sprain on Sunday which in all likelihood will end his season.

Well his performance this season will most likely have ended his career. No GM or coach in their right mind will sign him.

 

[flv2]

Geno's season stats in what could have been his last game of the season today, leaving Sunday's game with an ankle injury:

Passing Yardage: 3025 yards (19th)
Avg Yards Per Pass: 6.8 (23rd)
TD's: 19 (20th)
INT's: 17 (1st)
Sacks: 55 (1st)
Comp Percentage: 67.4 (10th)
QBR: 34.1 (29th)
RTG: 84.7 (30th)

Geno played on a bad Raider team. How much did that play into Geno's statistically bad year, and how much did Geno's poor play lead to the Raiders 2-14 record is up for debate. It's quite possible the Raiders could say bye-bye to both PC and Geno at season's end. Geno's contract is structured so that his dead CAP money is not at all prohibitive to cutting him loose. It would also save them the money they would pay him in non-guaranteed salary. The only question would be will they keep him so that they can bring their QBOTF along more slowly who they will surely take in the draft? My guess would be no, but we'll see. I don't think they'd keep him around as a backup to their QBOTF.

If the Raiders do cut him loose, is this the end of the line for him as a starter in the league? I suppose some team could use him as a short term bridge QB to their longer term answer at QB, although I don't know what team that might be besides the Raiders. He could also serve as a temporary starter if a team's starting QB goes down to injury next year. Other than that, at his age and coming off such a poor season, I think his days as a starter in the league may be over.

Smith is due $26.5M in 2026 of which $18.5M is fully guaranteed. Cutting him only makes sense if the Raiders aren't willing to pay the additional $8M to keep him on the roster and no other NFL team is willing to trade for at least that amount of the contract. This seems pretty unlikely given the willingness to pay poor quality QBs that many GMs have demonstrated. As an example the Dolphins signed Zach Wilson to a $6M deal this season.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Guaranteed for THAT.........wow

 

[Glasgow Seahawk]

Smith is due $26.5M in 2026 of which $18.5M is fully guaranteed. Cutting him only makes sense if the Raiders aren't willing to pay the additional $8M to keep him on the roster and no other NFL team is willing to trade for at least that amount of the contract. This seems pretty unlikely given the willingness to pay poor quality QBs that many GMs have demonstrated. As an example the Dolphins signed Zach Wilson to a $6M deal this season.

The raiders likely draft Mendoza next year. I cant see geno being back up to him or his ego allowing it

 

[NoGain]

Smith is due $26.5M in 2026 of which $18.5M is fully guaranteed. Cutting him only makes sense if the Raiders aren't willing to pay the additional $8M to keep him on the roster and no other NFL team is willing to trade for at least that amount of the contract. This seems pretty unlikely given the willingness to pay poor quality QBs that many GMs have demonstrated. As an example the Dolphins signed Zach Wilson to a $6M deal this season.

I don't quite see it that way. An 18.5 million dollar hit isn't that big of a deal if they want to move on from Geno. Look at the hit the Broncos and Payton were willing to endure to move on from RW. It dwarfs it in comparison. They might just want a fresh start. After all, they're going to have (hopefully for them) their QBOTF on a rookie contract for 4-5 years to rebuild around with. Hell, they may even trade Crosby and free up even more CAP space. They could start a cheaper Pickett or O'Connell if they don't want to immediately throw their rookie QB into the frying pan.

 

[Ozzy]

I can't believe anyone listened to Pete to sign him for a multi-year guaranteed contract. I'm still at a loss that so many people thought he was elite last year. One of the weirdest plant my flag situations I've ever seen and people were so passionate about it. I'll never understand it.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Well, they WANTED him to be great because they somehow thought he was as good as Russ in his prime

But that's well covered ground. Geno was NEVER elite. He beat up on crap teams and couldn't do squat against elite teams. He was good between the 20s, sucked in the red zone. He wasn't even close to being a leader.

 

[flv2]

I don't quite see it that way. An 18.5 million dollar hit isn't that big of a deal if they want to move on from Geno. Look at the hit the Broncos and Payton were willing to endure to move on from RW. It dwarfs it in comparison. They might just want a fresh start. After all, they're going to have (hopefully for them) their QBOTF on a rookie contract for 4-5 years to rebuild around with. Hell, they may even trade Crosby and free up even more CAP space. They could start a cheaper Pickett or O'Connell if they don't want to immediately throw their rookie QB into the frying pan.

You draw a fair comparison you have to look at the real World consequences. Wilson had a guarantee for the following season of $39M but keeping him would have added an additional $37M in guarantees. The Broncos choice was to pay him $39M to go away or pay him $76M for 2 seasons. It came down to a simple valuation: would 2 seasons of Wilson be worth the additional $37M. They decided it wasn't so they made the best of 2 bad choices to cut him. If another team had been willing to pay him at least $37M guaranteed over 2 years then a trade would have been possible.

Smith's contract has no guarantees beyond 2026. The only reason to cut him is if no-one thinks he's worth the additional $8M. Many teams in history have had a highly paid QB who didn't want a 1st round rookie QB on the team. Rodgers was the 1st round rookie to Favre. Love was the 1st round rookie to Rodgers. Most recently Penix was drafted when the Falcons had Cousins.

If another team is prepared to have Smith at $8-15M as a bridge starter for 2026 then it could make sense for a trade of conditional future picks, (IE nothing), and have the Raiders pay the balance. A cut is possible but it looks unlikely.

 

[NoGain]

You draw a fair comparison you have to look at the real World consequences. Wilson had a guarantee for the following season of $39M but keeping him would have added an additional $37M in guarantees. The Broncos choice was to pay him $39M to go away or pay him $76M for 2 seasons. It came down to a simple valuation: would 2 seasons of Wilson be worth the additional $37M. They decided it wasn't so they made the best of 2 bad choices to cut him. If another team had been willing to pay him at least $37M guaranteed over 2 years then a trade would have been possible.

Smith's contract has no guarantees beyond 2026. The only reason to cut him is if no-one thinks he's worth the additional $8M. Many teams in history have had a highly paid QB who didn't want a 1st round rookie QB on the team. Rodgers was the 1st round rookie to Favre. Love was the 1st round rookie to Rodgers. Most recently Penix was drafted when the Falcons had Cousins.

If another team is prepared to have Smith at $8-15M as a bridge starter for 2026 then it could make sense for a trade of conditional future picks, (IE nothing), and have the Raiders pay the balance. A cut is possible but it looks unlikely.

If they want to move on from Geno, they will move on from Geno. Money structure is not going to stop them. Period.

 

[Seahawkfan80]

If they want to move on from Geno, they will move on from Geno. Money structure is not going to stop them. Period.

Could he be a bit crass and request an injury settlement? Would that change the picture?

 

[flv2]

If they want to move on from Geno, they will move on from Geno. Money structure is not going to stop them. Period.

Obviously. Any team that wants to get rid of a player can pay up the contract and be done with it. Typically NFL teams don't make knee-jerk decisions that would waste $18.5M when they've got a 10-week window to find a better financial solution.

 

[NoGain]

Obviously. Any team that wants to get rid of a player can pay up the contract and be done with it. Typically NFL teams don't make knee-jerk decisions that would waste $18.5M when they've got a 10-week window to find a better financial solution.

If they choose to cut him loose before next season, I'm sure they'll do it to the best of their financial advantage. Geno has not made himself very welcome there, and if they want a fresh start, that will come into play.

 

[SocialParasite]

Either Geno goes back to being a back up, or he retires. Those are the only 2 scenarios I see playing out with him. His play & his character are obvious reasons why his time as an NFL starter is up.

 

[Glasgow Seahawk]

If as expected he is cut this off season where does he go? Raiders will likely take Mendoza and the rest of the qb's in the draft aren't day 1 starters.

Jets, Dolphins, Cardinals, Vikings, Colts for sure needs QB's. Possibly chiefs. Willis will get paid and someone will trade for Mc Jones.

Does a team take a chance on him for a year? Does he get a backup gig? Is he done?

 

[GeekHawk]

If I was them I would draft a QBOTF with their pick. Then I would plan to sit him for his rookie year. Then (given the finances) I would choose whether to keep Geno for one last year or cut him and try to find a better QB willing to play for 1 year at less than $8 million. Since I really don't think you could find one of those, I would start Geno next year then cut him loose. I'd probably end up with a second high-first-round pick in a row out of this as well. Just sayin.

 

[Rat]

Lots of disgusting, disturbing things have been found in the Epstein Files. This is unquestionably the worst.



I don't blame them for redacting the name of the person who bought it.

 

[Shane Falco]

If I was them I would draft a QBOTF with their pick. Then I would plan to sit him for his rookie year. Then (given the finances) I would choose whether to keep Geno for one last year or cut him and try to find a better QB willing to play for 1 year at less than $8 million. Since I really don't think you could find one of those, I would start Geno next year then cut him loose. I'd probably end up with a second high-first-round pick in a row out of this as well. Just sayin.

Especially if they don't fix that offensive line. That alone has ruined a lot of young QB's.