NFL.com's ranking of QBs puts Geno at #12

[SoulfishHawk]

Every day of the week. No way in hell any GM would take Geno over C.J. Stroud.

 

[Kamcussionator]

Well hang onto your hats ladies! We're going to be putting in a brand new offense again this year. Expect inconsistency, "slow processing", and dumb turnovers again.

A lot of guys talk about QB play like it happens in a lab with all variables the same. 2025 will be our 3rd offense in as many years. The last time Geno played in the same offense two years in a row? He was ranked 9th.

He's 34, so he's not the solution for the next decade, but I don't get the hate if he's playing decent ball throughout all these transitions.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

At least the built-in excuses are in place.

/sarcasm

 

[zbeaster]

And people want to replace the #12 best QB with someone likely in the 30’s-40’s and think that’s an upgrade. That’s insane.

I don't know if I agree with Geno as high as 12th but he's not far off. I wouldn't be looking to move on from him.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

12-15 is very realistic, imo. I certainly don't want Howell to be the starter. Would rather they draft a guy and let him sit behind Geno for a season (just one)

 

[Double Tribble]

Well hang onto your hats ladies! We're going to be putting in a brand new offense again this year. Expect inconsistency, "slow processing", and dumb turnovers again.

A lot of guys talk about QB play like it happens in a lab with all variables the same. 2025 will be our 3rd offense in as many years. The last time Geno played in the same offense two years in a row? He was ranked 9th.

He's 34, so he's not the solution for the next decade, but I don't get the hate if he's playing decent ball throughout all these transitions.

It's not hate, it's exasperation and frustration that the Hawks don't try harder to upgrade the qb position. Geno is the perfect backup, but he will never win a bowl. We seem content to roll with a middle to upper middle qb, which simply isn't good enough. I just don't get why they don't try harder. Settling moves us backwards, not forward.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

They probably do try but have no takers. I have a hard time believing they haven't tried to trade him at some point.

 

[Hollandhawk]

Well hang onto your hats ladies! We're going to be putting in a brand new offense again this year. Expect inconsistency, "slow processing", and dumb turnovers again.

A lot of guys talk about QB play like it happens in a lab with all variables the same. 2025 will be our 3rd offense in as many years. The last time Geno played in the same offense two years in a row? He was ranked 9th.

He's 34, so he's not the solution for the next decade, but I don't get the hate if he's playing decent ball throughout all these transitions.

Ah yes, the change of offense excuse is getting built in. You might want to look at how many OC's Jalen Hurts has had.

 

[Seahawker]

It's not hate, it's exasperation and frustration that the Hawks don't try harder to upgrade the qb position. Geno is the perfect backup, but he will never win a bowl. We seem content to roll with a middle to upper middle qb, which simply isn't good enough. I just don't get why they don't try harder. Settling moves us backwards, not forward.

Over the last 15 years JS built a team & drafted a QB that made two SB appearances but since has languished in mediocrity. A stretch of bad drafts and costly trades has put John behind the 8 ball a bit, I'm sure putting pressure on him to get this right soon.
Until JS finds a QB they feel really good about they smartly will not pull the trigger and will continue to build the roster.

Hopefully in the next two years he can fix the offensive line, bolster the D and find that QB. I don't think anyone wants him to reach for a quarterback and waste two first rounders, we've already burnt too many of those.

 

[OneLofaTatupu]

The writer is ranking them strictly on 2024 performance. It's not a list of best QBs as they stand right now. I know the post mentions that, but the title makes it sound different.

Bo Nix at #20 is insanity btw. 3919 yards 30 TDs 12 INTs, 430 yards and 4 TDs rushing, led a Broncos team with an absurdly high dead cap hit from their last QB to the playoffs. 19 TDs over the last seven weeks of the regular season. No way there were 19 QBs who had a better season than that.

But the experts have spoken so it is real and true

 

[Ozzy]

Geno runs on a Pentium 133Mhz chip. Everything is a step slow. If he could process what's going on around him faster, he would be elite. Looking forward to him playing behind a much-improved O-line this year.

Right? Either way I think his surroundings will be much better this year and I think him playing hurt last year didn't do him any favors either. I'm in the so called anti Geno camp but if he stays I'm excited regardless for the offense and I think all of them have a much better year Geno included.

 

[ZagHawk]

Can Geno be considered a good QB AND not the guy either? A porsche is a good car, but if your actual need is a car that can drive around a family of 5, pickup groceries and hold soccer gear, it's not the car for you.

 

[Wsumatt1982]

Can Geno be considered a good QB AND not the guy either? A porsche is a good car, but if your actual need is a car that can drive around a family of 5, pickup groceries and hold soccer gear, it's not the car for you.

Absolutely. The Seahawks seem to think he can get us to a championship level. Some fans don't agree with that. I think with a better line and playcalling and run game he can possibly be that guy. I think everyone is in agreement though in that we need to seriously consider the future and have that in waiting. Even the team knows that. It all really comes down to how quickly you want to move off him for the good of the team and I agree with the team he's good through 2026 at the very latest, maybe sooner. I can go 1 more year with him.

 

[Chapow]

The writer is ranking them strictly on 2024 performance. It's not a list of best QBs as they stand right now. I know the post mentions that, but the title makes it sound different.

Bo Nix at #20 is insanity btw. 3919 yards 30 TDs 12 INTs, 430 yards and 4 TDs rushing, led a Broncos team with an absurdly high dead cap hit from their last QB to the playoffs. 19 TDs over the last seven weeks of the regular season. No way there were 19 QBs who had a better season than that.

Maybe they feel like Geno did pretty well considering his circumstances, and maybe they felt like Nix could have been better considering his circumstances.

Ryan Grubb was such a bad OC that he's back in college after just 1 year. In contrast, Sean Payton is a very, very good play caller known for playing to his QB's strengths and putting them in a position to succeed.

The Broncos have one of the best OLines in the league. The Seahawks have one of the worst. Here's the first source that popped up from a quick Google search. It has the Broncos as the #1 OLine in the league, and the Seahawks with the 30th. Sure, we can quibble over these rankings and claim the Broncos weren't the best OLine, they were 3rd or 6th or whatever, and do the same with the Seahawks, not 30th but 27th or 25th or whatever, but the point remains that the Broncos have a very good OLine and the Seahawks have a very bad OLine.
https://www.profootballnetwork.com/best-offensive-lines-nfl-rankings/

The Broncos had a respectable rushing game, not great, but middle of the pack and certainly better than awful. The Seahawks were one of 5 teams to average less than 100 rushing yards per game, and were also one of the most unbalanced in regards to run/pass ratio. The Broncos run/pass ration was middle of the pack.

The Broncos also had one of the best defenses in the league. They finished the season 3rd by points allowed per game, the Seahawks finished 12th by points allowed per game.

Bo Nix led his team to a 10-7 record in an incredibly QB friendly situation. It really doesn't get a whole lot more QB friendly in the NFL than a Sean Payton offense, one of the best Olines, a decent at worst rushing game, and one of the best defenses in the league.

Geno led his team to a 10-7 record with a terrible OC, a terrible Oline, one of the most unbalanced offenses (despite having a terrible Oline), one of the worst rushing games, and a defense that got much better after cutting 2 starting LB's and acquiring Ernest Jones, but was a dysfunctional mess for several weeks before that.

Just my opinion, but I think it's awfully likely that Nix would have had a pretty rough year if he had been in Geno's situation, and I think Geno would have had a much better year than he did if he had been in Bo's situation.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Decision making. His #1 flaw.

 

[Chapow]

I'm still waiting for Geno to knock off top tier teams and win playoff games. Hope to see it in 2025.

The thing about comments like this is that you appear to be completely dismissing the circumstances surrounding the QB. Do you really think it's reasonable to expect Geno to knock off top tier teams and win playoff games with a terrible OC, a terrible Oline, and a terrible rushing game? Do you think it's reasonable to expect any QB to be able to do that? Football is a team sport. QB's can't do it alone or surrounded by a terrible supporting cast.

I think Joe Burrow is an elite QB, and I think he's in the conversation for best in the league right now. Even Burrow couldn't get his team to the playoffs surrounded by very similar circumstances to what Geno had to deal with.

(And no, I'm not comparing Burrow to Geno. Burrow is clearly a far superior QB, and that's kind of the point. Even one of the best in the league can't get it done if they don't get a reasonable amount of support.)

 

[JayhawkMike]

If we lose RW we will suck. He guarantees a winning season and we will end up getting the worst QB in the history of the NFL and the sun will never shine again in Seattle.

If we lose Pete Carroll we will suck. He guarantees a winning season and we will end up getting the worst Head Coach in the history of the NFL and the sun will never shine again in Seattle.

If we lose Geno we will suck. He guarantees a winning season and we will end up getting the worst QB in the history of the NFL and the sun will never shine again in Seattle.

Bullshit, Bullshit and Bullshit.

Short sighted Cowards always wanting to sacrifice Super Bowl hopes for short term season to season winning records. Cowards.

 

[Rat]

Maybe they feel like Geno did pretty well considering his circumstances, and maybe they felt like Nix could have been better considering his circumstances.

Ryan Grubb was such a bad OC that he's back in college after just 1 year. In contrast, Sean Payton is a very, very good play caller known for playing to his QB's strengths and putting them in a position to succeed.

The Broncos have one of the best OLines in the league. The Seahawks have one of the worst. Here's the first source that popped up from a quick Google search. It has the Broncos as the #1 OLine in the league, and the Seahawks with the 30th. Sure, we can quibble over these rankings and claim the Broncos weren't the best OLine, they were 3rd or 6th or whatever, and do the same with the Seahawks, not 30th but 27th or 25th or whatever, but the point remains that the Broncos have a very good OLine and the Seahawks have a very bad OLine.
https://www.profootballnetwork.com/best-offensive-lines-nfl-rankings/

The Broncos had a respectable rushing game, not great, but middle of the pack and certainly better than awful. The Seahawks were one of 5 teams to average less than 100 rushing yards per game, and were also one of the most unbalanced in regards to run/pass ratio. The Broncos run/pass ration was middle of the pack.

The Broncos also had one of the best defenses in the league. They finished the season 3rd by points allowed per game, the Seahawks finished 12th by points allowed per game.

Bo Nix led his team to a 10-7 record in an incredibly QB friendly situation. It really doesn't get a whole lot more QB friendly in the NFL than a Sean Payton offense, one of the best Olines, a decent at worst rushing game, and one of the best defenses in the league.

Geno led his team to a 10-7 record with a terrible OC, a terrible Oline, one of the most unbalanced offenses (despite having a terrible Oline), one of the worst rushing games, and a defense that got much better after cutting 2 starting LB's and acquiring Ernest Jones, but was a dysfunctional mess for several weeks before that.

Just my opinion, but I think it's awfully likely that Nix would have had a pretty rough year if he had been in Geno's situation, and I think Geno would have had a much better year than he did if he had been in Bo's situation.

I never made the argument that Nix was better than Geno. He was playing better of the two over the last third of the season, but I don't think having Geno higher isn't a reasonable opinion.

It's interesting though how many of those things you mentioned got so much better once they replaced Russ with Nix. It wasn't like Payton just got there this season.

You talk about Denver having the better rushing offense, but Nix WAS that rusher. They had three running backs get more than 11 carries on the season: Javonte Williams (139), Jaleel McLaughlin (113), and Audric Estime (76). They combined for 328 carries for 1319 yards, which is barely four yards per carry. Their leading rusher only averaged 3.7. Those three running backs combined for three rushes of more than 20 yards the entire season, one a piece, and had just seven TDs. Seattle's top three running backs had shockingly similar carries and yards: 319 carries for 1314 yards (their leading rushing ALSO averaged 3.7, crazy), but 15 TDs and nine of those 20+ yard runs. Neither QB was getting the kind of production handing off the ball that would allow them to be less of a focus from the opposing defense. It helped the Broncos tremendously that Nix was a willing and effective runner.

If you tried calling the Broncos defense better than Seattle's in any context other than something that makes Geno look good, you'd get torn apart on here. I think we can call it a strength for both teams.

One advantage Geno did have over Nix was easier division opponents. The Broncos also had to play the AFC North, but the Seahawks had the NFC North, so that wasn't a great draw for either. Broncos got the NFC South which is mediocre, Seahawks got the AFC East which is one great team, one average team (who was starting Skylar Thompson the week we got them), and two awful teams.

Again, not necessarily calling Nix better than Geno (yet), but I'm not buying that things were so much easier for Nix. After a difficult adjustment over the first month, Nix was legitimately great the rest of the season, and not just for a rookie.

 

[JayhawkMike]

I never made the argument that Nix was better than Geno. He was playing better of the two over the last third of the season, but I don't think having Geno higher isn't a reasonable opinion.

It's interesting though how many of those things you mentioned got so much better once they replaced Russ with Nix. It wasn't like Payton just got there this season.

You talk about Denver having the better rushing offense, but Nix WAS that rusher. They had three running backs get more than 11 carries on the season: Javonte Williams (139), Jaleel McLaughlin (113), and Audric Estime (76). They combined for 328 carries for 1319 yards, which is barely four yards per carry. Their leading rusher only averaged 3.7. Those three running backs combined for three rushes of more than 20 yards the entire season, one a piece, and had just seven TDs. Seattle's top three running backs had shockingly similar carries and yards: 319 carries for 1314 yards (their leading rushing ALSO averaged 3.7, crazy), but 15 TDs and nine of those 20+ yard runs. Neither QB was getting the kind of production handing off the ball that would allow them to be less of a focus from the opposing defense. It helped the Broncos tremendously that Nix was a willing and effective runner.

If you tried calling the Broncos defense better than Seattle's in any context other than something that makes Geno look good, you'd get torn apart on here. I think we can call it a strength for both teams.

One advantage Geno did have over Nix was easier division opponents. The Broncos also had to play the AFC North, but the Seahawks had the NFC North, so that wasn't a great draw for either. Broncos got the NFC South which is mediocre, Seahawks got the AFC East which is one great team, one average team (who was starting Skylar Thompson the week we got them), and two awful teams.

Again, not necessarily calling Nix better than Geno (yet), but I'm not buying that things were so much easier for Nix. After a difficult adjustment over the first month, Nix was legitimately great the rest of the season, and not just for a rookie.

Wait! You can draft a QB not in the Top 5 and they can actually play well and get their team to the actual playoffs? AND they might even be BETTER in year 2? See I think a mid-30s career backup with no playoff wins is a much better road to playoff success. Because drafting a QB or signing an unproven youngster is scary. SCARY I say. I need my home wins Super Bowl aspirations be damned.

 

[Maelstrom787]

If we lose RW we will suck. He guarantees a winning season and we will end up getting the worst QB in the history of the NFL and the sun will never shine again in Seattle.

If we lose Pete Carroll we will suck. He guarantees a winning season and we will end up getting the worst Head Coach in the history of the NFL and the sun will never shine again in Seattle.

If we lose Geno we will suck. He guarantees a winning season and we will end up getting the worst QB in the history of the NFL and the sun will never shine again in Seattle.

Bullshit, Bullshit and Bullshit.

Short sighted Cowards always wanting to sacrifice Super Bowl hopes for short term season to season winning records. Cowards.

Some people take this shit way too seriously, and it shows.

Yes. Everyone who has a differing opinion is a coward.