NFL.com's ranking of QBs puts Geno at #12

[Ozzy]

Okay, let us talk about those rushing TDs.

You do realize that Josh Allen and Jalen Hurts contributed quite a bit to the rushing totals, right? Since 2021, Jalen Hurts has contributed over 10+ TDs in the ground game. In addition to that this year he rushed for 630 yards and 14 TDs. That would have made Jalen Hurts total TD count 32.

Josh Allen also had 12 TDs on the ground, which brings his total up to 40. In addition to that he also contributed 531 yards rushing.

So, while yes, both of those teams did have more rushing TDs than passing, it's disingenuous to just put that on the rushing game and offensive line. Jalen Hurts, and Allen both are great at improvisation and making things out of nothing with their athletic abilities. This is where our guy severely lacks. He has the athletic ability, speed and agility to do what Hurts and Allen does, he just is not great when the play breaks down. He doesn't make use of all of the tools at his disposal. He's shown a few flashes of improv, but Geno is a guy that is committed to the pocket.

It's understandable, he came from an era where the pocket passer was king, but still, he is not very good at making things happen. If the play goes wrong, this is where our guy falls short. We have the inverted version Wilson. A prototypical pocket passer that has a very bad internal clock.

Now, I'm not saying that Geno is bad, in fact as a pure passer he's pretty good. He has some flaws here such as endzone (this has been an issue for two years now). His accuracy is spot on and he can make all of the throws. His instincts and ability to manipulate the pocket are subpar, however. He doesn't move around much, despite his mobility. Even Brady would set up his blockers and move around to buy more time.

Geno to me looks very ridged and what I would describe as wooden. He is textbook a solid QB, but he doesn't really do anything to elevate the offensive line or make plays. He's just a middle of the road QB.

Sure, you could point to Foles, Flacco and Eli Manning, but each one of those guys had historical runs in the playoffs. We *could* win with Geno, but you're gambling on him either going on a crazy playoff run or building a team like the 2015 Broncos that were stacked at every position. Every team usually has blind spots. It's no coincidence that the Super Bowl wins in the 2010, and 2020s were dominated by Patrick Mahomes and Tom Brady.

With a Geno Smith character you're essentially gambling on lightning striking twice here. That 2013 team and 2014 Seahawks team were historically good, in addition they had a really good QB. Our HC was also a visionary at that era that completely changed the NFL paradigm.

MacDonald is good, but Pete in the early 2010s was truly far ahead of his time with the usage of mobile QBs to augment the running game and the defensive strategy. Geno really only buys us time. If you have to pay him a huge portion of the salary cap all of the sudden he becomes a lot less palatable.

We're only kicking the can down the road. He's not bad, but he's also not really a viable long term solution. John Schneider has really dropped the ball at the QB position.

This is a very reasonable take and pretty damn close to how I see it. Well done spin

 

[Rat]

Okay, let us talk about those rushing TDs.

You do realize that Josh Allen and Jalen Hurts contributed quite a bit to the rushing totals, right? Since 2021, Jalen Hurts has contributed over 10+ TDs in the ground game. In addition to that this year he rushed for 630 yards and 14 TDs. That would have made Jalen Hurts total TD count 32.

Josh Allen also had 12 TDs on the ground, which brings his total up to 40. In addition to that he also contributed 531 yards rushing.

So, while yes, both of those teams did have more rushing TDs than passing, it's disingenuous to just put that on the rushing game and offensive line. Jalen Hurts, and Allen both are great at improvisation and making things out of nothing with their athletic abilities. This is where our guy severely lacks. He has the athletic ability, speed and agility to do what Hurts and Allen does, he just is not great when the play breaks down. He doesn't make use of all of the tools at his disposal. He's shown a few flashes of improv, but Geno is a guy that is committed to the pocket.

It's understandable, he came from an era where the pocket passer was king, but still, he is not very good at making things happen. If the play goes wrong, this is where our guy falls short. We have the inverted version Wilson. A prototypical pocket passer that has a very bad internal clock.

Now, I'm not saying that Geno is bad, in fact as a pure passer he's pretty good. He has some flaws here such as endzone (this has been an issue for two years now). His accuracy is spot on and he can make all of the throws. His instincts and ability to manipulate the pocket are subpar, however. He doesn't move around much, despite his mobility. Even Brady would set up his blockers and move around to buy more time.

Geno to me looks very ridged and what I would describe as wooden. He is textbook a solid QB, but he doesn't really do anything to elevate the offensive line or make plays. He's just a middle of the road QB.

Sure, you could point to Foles, Flacco and Eli Manning, but each one of those guys had historical runs in the playoffs. We *could* win with Geno, but you're gambling on him either going on a crazy playoff run or building a team like the 2015 Broncos that were stacked at every position. Every team usually has blind spots. It's no coincidence that the Super Bowl wins in the 2010, and 2020s were dominated by Patrick Mahomes and Tom Brady.

With a Geno Smith character you're essentially gambling on lightning striking twice here. That 2013 team and 2014 Seahawks team were historically good, in addition they had a really good QB. Our HC was also a visionary at that era that completely changed the NFL paradigm.

MacDonald is good, but Pete in the early 2010s was truly far ahead of his time with the usage of mobile QBs to augment the running game and the defensive strategy. Geno really only buys us time. If you have to pay him a huge portion of the salary cap all of the sudden he becomes a lot less palatable.

We're only kicking the can down the road. He's not bad, but he's also not really a viable long term solution. John Schneider has really dropped the ball at the QB position.

I should be secure enough in myself where I can express several coherent thoughts in a thread, and not feel jealous when someone jumps in and states everything perfectly in only one post, but here we are.

 

[Sperrydogg]

Every geNO knows, geNO ranks behind: Sam Darnold #13, Brock Purdy #14, CJ Stroud #15, Bryce Young #16, Kyler Murray #17, Tua Tagovailoa #18, Dak Prescott #19, Bo Nix #20, Drake Maye #21, Aaron Rodgers #22, Russell Wilson #23.

At least this article didn't rank Geno in the top ten, whew.

Not Kyler Murray…

 

[Sperrydogg]

Of course he’s #12, he’s a hawk

 

[Double Tribble]

Is Geno worse than Trent Dilfer? Nick Foles? Joe Flacco? Eli Manning? Did Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Jayden Daniels, Jordan Love, Goff or Purdy even make it to the Super bowl this year?

I would suggest to you that: while a better player is always desirable, if one is not available it would be best to hang on to what you have and try to improve in areas where there are better players available.

We can certainly win a Super bowl with Geno. And I don't think we're that far away from being scary good. If our defense plays top 5-10 like they've shown to be capable, and our run game elevates with improved line play (because our backfield is loaded!) we could have a top 5-10 offense without a 5,000 yard/40TD passer. Case in point, both the Bills and Eagles had more rushing TDs than receiving this past year.

Yes, he is worse. And pretending that a 34 yr old qb with almost as many int's as td's, and who has never even won a playoff game, is magically going to turn into Tom Brady and take us all the way through the playoffs and win a sb just because he has a better oline or whatever, defies basic logic.

 

[Double Tribble]

Okay, let us talk about those rushing TDs.

You do realize that Josh Allen and Jalen Hurts contributed quite a bit to the rushing totals, right? Since 2021, Jalen Hurts has contributed over 10+ TDs in the ground game. In addition to that this year he rushed for 630 yards and 14 TDs. That would have made Jalen Hurts total TD count 32.

Josh Allen also had 12 TDs on the ground, which brings his total up to 40. In addition to that he also contributed 531 yards rushing.

So, while yes, both of those teams did have more rushing TDs than passing, it's disingenuous to just put that on the rushing game and offensive line. Jalen Hurts, and Allen both are great at improvisation and making things out of nothing with their athletic abilities. This is where our guy severely lacks. He has the athletic ability, speed and agility to do what Hurts and Allen does, he just is not great when the play breaks down. He doesn't make use of all of the tools at his disposal. He's shown a few flashes of improv, but Geno is a guy that is committed to the pocket.

It's understandable, he came from an era where the pocket passer was king, but still, he is not very good at making things happen. If the play goes wrong, this is where our guy falls short. We have the inverted version Wilson. A prototypical pocket passer that has a very bad internal clock.

Now, I'm not saying that Geno is bad, in fact as a pure passer he's pretty good. He has some flaws here such as endzone (this has been an issue for two years now). His accuracy is spot on and he can make all of the throws. His instincts and ability to manipulate the pocket are subpar, however. He doesn't move around much, despite his mobility. Even Brady would set up his blockers and move around to buy more time.

Geno to me looks very ridged and what I would describe as wooden. He is textbook a solid QB, but he doesn't really do anything to elevate the offensive line or make plays. He's just a middle of the road QB.

Sure, you could point to Foles, Flacco and Eli Manning, but each one of those guys had historical runs in the playoffs. We *could* win with Geno, but you're gambling on him either going on a crazy playoff run or building a team like the 2015 Broncos that were stacked at every position. Every team usually has blind spots. It's no coincidence that the Super Bowl wins in the 2010, and 2020s were dominated by Patrick Mahomes and Tom Brady.

With a Geno Smith character you're essentially gambling on lightning striking twice here. That 2013 team and 2014 Seahawks team were historically good, in addition they had a really good QB. Our HC was also a visionary at that era that completely changed the NFL paradigm.

MacDonald is good, but Pete in the early 2010s was truly far ahead of his time with the usage of mobile QBs to augment the running game and the defensive strategy. Geno really only buys us time. If you have to pay him a huge portion of the salary cap all of the sudden he becomes a lot less palatable.

We're only kicking the can down the road. He's not bad, but he's also not really a viable long term solution. John Schneider has really dropped the ball at the QB position.

Ding ding ding, we have a winner.

I also fail to see how kicking the can down the road is a winning strategy. For the love of God, take a risk and draft and start a young qb. If it doesn't work out, oh well, then try again in '26. But at least make the effort, and at least you'd have a qb on a rookie contract so that we can build up the team around him. If they roll Geno out for another year I doubt I'll even watch very many of the games. It is often unwatchable.

 

[ruffENrowdy]

I guess i feel like my 8 year old son says it best before a game. He always comes up to me and asks "hey dad, you think we are getting good Geno or bad Geno today". I always say I hope it's good Geno obviously, but I mean if an 8 year old can see it, I don't understand how other people can't lol. When he's good, he can make some great throws.. When he's bad, he can be really bad

 

[Kamcussionator]

Yes, he is worse. And pretending that a 34 yr old qb with almost as many int's as td's, and who has never even won a playoff game, is magically going to turn into Tom Brady and take us all the way through the playoffs and win a sb just because he has a better oline or whatever, defies basic logic.

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What defies basic logic is the premise that Tom Brady is necessary to win a SB. For instance, Jalen Hurts had 23 TD / 15 INT last year, this year Geno had 21 TD / 15 INT -- both down years for both men -- but it does show precedent that a QB of Geno's caliber can win a Super bowl with an improved line and run game.

So, unless you have some way to 'magically' turn some waiver wire scrub or untried rookie into Tom Brady, I'd say we continue with Geno until someone can win the job from him.

 

[Spin Doctor]

What defies basic logic is the premise that Tom Brady is necessary to win a SB. For instance, Jalen Hurts had 23 TD / 15 INT last year, this year Geno had 21 TD / 15 INT -- both down years for both men -- but it does show precedent that a QB of Geno's caliber can win a Super bowl with an improved line and run game.

So, unless you have some way to 'magically' turn some waiver wire scrub or untried rookie into Tom Brady, I'd say we continue with Geno until someone can win the job from him.

Once again, I'll direct you to Jalen Hurts rushing stats. He rushed for 600 yards and had 15 TDs on the ground in his "down year". Jalen Hurts has surpassed 30 total TDs in each of his last three years.

You don't need Brady, but the rub is the QB's in Super Bowls are more often than not are elite or at least extremely good. Jalen isn't elite, but he's a very good QB in his own right, especially when you factor in his rushing.

As far as riding Geno, he only has one year left on his contract and he's now in his mid 30s. He, quite frankly has been all over the place even at his peak. Geno also has yet to win a single playoff game in his three years here.

Geno is not a long term solution, also drafting a QB doesn't necessary mean we're dumping Geno. The QB has the benefit of sitting and learning.

 

[FrodosFinger]

He’s about 10-12 right now but would be top ten if his TD:INT ratio was better. The red zone turnovers plagued his sss last year

 

[Double Tribble]

What defies basic logic is the premise that Tom Brady is necessary to win a SB. For instance, Jalen Hurts had 23 TD / 15 INT last year, this year Geno had 21 TD / 15 INT -- both down years for both men -- but it does show precedent that a QB of Geno's caliber can win a Super bowl with an improved line and run game.

So, unless you have some way to 'magically' turn some waiver wire scrub or untried rookie into Tom Brady, I'd say we continue with Geno until someone can win the job from him.

Every hof qb was an untested rookie at one point. You can't hit a home run by trying to take walks. Playing it safe gets us nowhere.

 

[Kamcussionator]

Geno is not a long term solution, also drafting a QB doesn't necessary mean we're dumping Geno. The QB has the benefit of sitting and learning.

Agree on all points.

I think most the folks here have some shared uncertainty about where our next QB is going to come from. My preference is to keep Geno until someone can come along and beat him out for the position, while others seem to prefer to oust him now and start kissing toads in the hopes of finding a prince.

The former approach I contend will keep us competitive, so we will continue to be able to attract quality FA and retain existing talent. The latter, well, that sounds a lot like the Browns, Raiders, Jets, Titans...

 

[Chapow]

Once again, I'll direct you to Jalen Hurts rushing stats. He rushed for 600 yards and had 15 TDs on the ground in his "down year". Jalen Hurts has surpassed 30 total TDs in each of his last three years.

You don't need Brady, but the rub is the QB's in Super Bowls are more often than not are elite or at least extremely good. Jalen isn't elite, but he's a very good QB in his own right, especially when you factor in his rushing.

QB's that make it to Super Bowls more often than not have a pretty damn good supporting cast surrounding them. Jalen Hurts and the Eagles are a prime example. #1 defense in the league by points per game and yards per game. Dominating Dline. Outstanding Oline. Arguably the best RB in the league. Receiving threats like A.J Brown, DeVonta Smith, and Dallas Goedert. That team is absolutely loaded.

How many QB's make it to the Super Bowl with a bottom 5 Oline and bottom 5 rushing game? I don't know the answer for sure, but I'd have to guess that it's either zero or very, very few.

I don't think we're going to win a Super Bowl with Geno. I also don't think we're going to win a Super Bowl with anyone else at QB unless the rest of the team surrounding the QB gets a whole lot better.

Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, and Joe Burrow are elite QB's. Without a doubt, in my opinion, 3 of the top 5 five in the game. Josh Allen has been a starting QB in the NFL for 7 years now. He has 0 Super Bowl wins and 0 Super Bowl appearances. Same for Lamar Jackson. Joe Burrow has been the starter in Cincy for 5 years. He has 0 Super Bowl wins and 1 Super Bowl appearance, and hasn't even made the playoffs the past 2 seasons.

My point? Yeah, you need a good QB, but you also need a very good team surrounding that QB. Teams aren't winning Super Bowls with terrible Olines, terrible rushing games, and predictable bordering on incompetent play calling.

I'll also add that while it was nice to see our D appear to be trending in the right direction after a horrible 6 game stretch from week 4 to week 9, I'm still pretty skeptical that our D is really all that good. They had a really nice 4 game stretch from weeks 11 to 14, but as soon as we played a good team (GB) they gave up 30. Then they followed that up by giving up 27 to Minny. Basically, after our bye week, our D looked good to very good against bad or mediocre teams, but didn't look very good against good teams (or the Rams backups, lol).

As far as riding Geno, he only has one year left on his contract and he's now in his mid 30s. He, quite frankly has been all over the place even at his peak. Geno also has yet to win a single playoff game in his three years here.

He hasn't exactly been surrounded by a very good team in his 3 years here either. We had bottom 10 defenses in 2022 and 2023, and a mess of an Oline, rushing game, and play calling this past season. How many playoff games do you think he should have won in his 3 years here?

Geno is not a long term solution, also drafting a QB doesn't necessary mean we're dumping Geno. The QB has the benefit of sitting and learning.

I think we'd all love to have a good young QB. Even those of us that don't think Geno is as bad as some here are making him out to be. As I said earlier in this thread, there are quite a few guys I'd rather have than Geno, but also as I said, I don't think the Seahawks are in a position to get any of those guys. I'm hoping they finally take a shot at a mid round QB in the draft this year because I completely agree that Geno isn't a long term solution, even though I think Geno is probably our best option for next season.

 

[Chapow]

Agree on all points.

I think most the folks here have some shared uncertainty about where our next QB is going to come from. My preference is to keep Geno until someone can come along and beat him out for the position, while others seem to prefer to oust him now and start kissing toads in the hopes of finding a prince.

The former approach I contend will keep us competitive, so we will continue to be able to attract quality FA and retain existing talent. The latter, well, that sounds a lot like the Browns, Raiders, Jets, Titans...

Exactly.

 

[JayhawkMike]

I would suck as the Seahawks starting QB and no matter how much you built around me the team wouldn't go anywhere.

Anything you "build" for Geno could even more easily be used by Howell/Rookie for success even more so using Geno's $.

"If only we had a better line and a great OC and perfect WRs and a great running game. . . " Yeah, no shit, most practice squad QBs could succeed with that without wasting the extra TIME and $ on Geno."

 

[toffee]

94 responses after a national media ranked our team's starting QB at #12 or top 1/3 of QBs in the league, guess what? geNOs here are unhappy not because our QB was ranked too low, they were unhappy because our QB was ranked too high for their narrative.

Sad when one considers this #12 ranked QB saved our season after the former QB quit on the team's HC.

Sadder when this #12 ranked QB made probowl twice to make the team proud and took a hometown discount to help the team that our previous QB was never willing to do.

Just be happy 12s?

I am gonna mix myself another Negroni, a mix of bitter and sweet.

 

[Rat]

I think most the folks here have some shared uncertainty about where our next QB is going to come from. My preference is to keep Geno until someone can come along and beat him out for the position, while others seem to prefer to oust him now and start kissing toads in the hopes of finding a prince.

What's your plan for finding a QB that isn't a huge gamble?

 

[Double Tribble]

Toad kisser. Kind of has a ring to it.

 

[Ozzy]

94 responses after a national media ranked our team's starting QB at #12 or top 1/3 of QBs in the league, guess what? geNOs here are unhappy not because our QB was ranked too low, they were unhappy because our QB was ranked too high for their narrative.

Sad when one considers this #12 ranked QB saved our season after the former QB quit on the team's HC.

Sadder when this #12 ranked QB made probowl twice to make the team proud and took a hometown discount to help the team that our previous QB was never willing to do.

Just be happy 12s?

I am gonna mix myself another Negroni, a mix of bitter and sweet.
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You nailed what I’ve been saying. People are so mad at Russ that they’re trying to force the idea that Geno is great. He’s not.

NFL.com or NFL execs poll that Sando does? Which one would you put more stock in? Any guesses where they had Geno? 20th.

Again it’s not that people want Geno to fail. They want the Seahawks to be a dangerous playoff team again and the debate hinges on what is the best path to get there? We couldn’t fix all those problems paying Geno what he’s making? Do you think it’s more likely we fix those AND pay Geno more? That’s my concern. Doesn’t make me a hater. It’s a reasonable concern that me and others have.

I’ve also said if they can get a team friendly deal it may be in our best interest to keep him another year. I’m open to that being true. I don’t think it is personally but I need to see how it all shakes out. At the very least I think it’s smart to weigh a cheaper option, use the money you save to fix other areas and still get your guy of the future. Is it the obit way? No. Is it a reasonable idea that the team I gaurantee is considering? Yes. Seattle told teams they would listen to trade offers for Geno last year. Does that make then geNOS too?

 

[toffee]

Seattle told teams they would listen to trade offers for Geno last year. Does that make then geNOS too?

I am not sure if Geno qualifies as a star, maybe he does after voted to the pro-bowl. I am all for trading aging stars a year or two too early instead of a year or two too late. Case in point, Lockett should have been traded two seasons ago, now he has no trade value anymore.

A front office's phone line should always be open, that's their job.