hiring a college OC may have been a mistake...

[CalgaryFan05]

...instead of a experienced NFL one who could get one yard when we need one yard.

This article details a lot of it:

Are the Seattle Seahawks operating out of shotgun too often?

Mark Schlereth, Dave Wyman, Ray Roberts and the Huard brothers share their views on whether the Seattle Seahawks use shotgun too frequently.

sports.mynorthwest.com

Ya think?

 

[hawkfan68]

Grubb can only call the plays, if the players can't execute properly (make horrible decisions) it doesn't matter what play is called. Geno has good yardage numbers but his TD/INT ratio is poor. He's thrown more INTs in 9 games than he did all last season. Plus he's not putting solid numbers in the redzone. Tripping over his two feet at the 5 yard line, taking sacks holding the ball to take the team out of scoring position, throwing INTs in the redzone, is not what I call playing solid football. In this case, his good yardage and comp pct stats are masking his overall poor play thus far.

 

[knownone]

Sounds like 2 coaches trying to force a system rather than adapting to the team they have.

Even if they were hell bent on forcing a way of playing on a team and willing to push through a few years of rebuilding, it doesn't make a ton of sense for them in the short-term to ignore what they can and should do in favor of what they know, what the are familiar with and what they want to do.

That may be true, but what should they adapt to? They are a good shotgun offense. They've been terrible everywhere else. Their only real-option is to pivot toward a Pete-style sink-or-swim commitment to playing under center and running the ball, banking on increased reps leading toward a dramatic improvement. I don't see that happening.

 

[jammerhawk]

What draft pick did we not keep?

I'm sorry, I was unclear.

The term drafted a highly regarded RG in the 3rd Rd. in Haynes but he's not been able to see the field much despite Bradford being a patent turnstile, last game he was healthy inactive. At this stage Haynes seems to be kept off the field as a coaching decision about practice habits and that Bradford is bigger and potentially more physical yet Bradford never seems to win at the POA despite his size and supposed strength.

The team has some depth on the OLine with backups especially at C but the G's relegated to backup are not being tried to find a solution to terrible OLine play.

 

[MORGULON]

But Grubb was an OL coach and he brought his own OL coach to the Hawks, our line is bad, coaching could be part of the reason why it's bad?

That's what I was wondering . This was my One fear. His system not translating to the NFL.

Lots of guys come from college and are successful but I also see the argument for an established NFL coordinator as well. Maybe Seattle has the world's worst lineman and they can't learn?

 

[hawkfan68]

I took a peek at UW players drafted in 2024 draft and there were two OL - Fautanu and Rosengarten. Both went in the 1st and 2nd rounds respectively. Those were the only OL drafted from UW. I think this year there will be more former Huskies OL in the draft, a few transferred to other schools, ie Parker Brailsford. I wonder if the Seahawks pick one of these former Huskies. By the way, Rosengarten is starting for the Ravens tonight.

 

[Seahawks fan]

It's a gamble for sure, but honestly we won't really know until next year if it is a success or failure, 9 games is to soon to make a decision either way...

 

[DarkVictory23]

I mentioned this in another thread, but not only are we in Shotgun at one of the highest rates in the league, we also run play-action (from under center or shotgun) at one of the lowest rates.

Put those two things together and we have one of the most predictable pockets in the NFL.

Following up on this: Our pocket is so predictable it's now a prominent feature in a Microsoft Surface commercial.

 

[warden]

Really hard to say hiring Grubb was a mistake. The OL is horrendous and when that happens absolutely everything on offense falls apart

 

[AgentDib]

The lack of play action is a symptom of our real illness; an inability to run the ball effectively. Play action only works if the opponents take the threat of a run seriously, and so far they haven't.

In the previous two seasons, Geno has been an elite QB when using play action. This season, he's actually a bit worse with it so it makes sense we're calling it less.

2023 play action: 24% of snaps, 74% completion rate, 111.6 passer rating, 3.19 seconds to throw
2023 no play action: 76% of snaps, 62% completion rate, 86.0 passer rating, 2.59 seconds to throw

2024 play action: 16% of snaps, 68% completion rate, 83.3 passer rating, 2.93 seconds to throw
2024 no play action: 84% of snaps, 68% completion rate, 89.6 passer rating, 2.70 seconds to throw

 

[bileever]

It's an interesting thought, but I don't think that operating out of the shotgun is the real culprit. First of all, the use of shotgun has gone up every year in the NFL. Jared Goff operates one of the most successful offenses in the NFL and he's in the shotgun 75% of the time. As the article points out, there are also advantages to using the shotgun.

To me, the more important issue has to do with employing run schemes that will work with the personnel that we have. Inside runs, whether we use zone or man blocking, clearly do not work given the talent we have on the offensive line. I hope that the bye week has given them the time to figure out a solution to this run game problem.

 

[seahawks08]

If I could change one thing with this offense, I would ask Geno not to change plays within plays when we have a rotating Oline. We need to first set the Oline up for success. They are learning and playing different positions. Coaches are still figuring who best fits the mold to pass block or run block. I would like play calling that stabilizes the Oline to get in a rhythm. Our first drive always serms so casually run. We shine able to execute and score on the first 20 plays that carries over from practice every week,

 

[getnasty]

The shotgun is fine. Running long devolving plays and never moving the pocket is not. Couple that with a horrible run game that nobody respects it all leads to those defense linemen to tee off every single down.

Nobody knows if Grubbs the guy or not and we probably won't until the end of next year but hopefully he uses the bye to find away to help the OL.

 

[Ozzy]

I'm skeptical this has much of anything to do with our offense stuttering at times. Are the 11 picks because of shotgun? Is the run blocking because of shotgun? It doesn't limit you as much as people think when scheming plays and pre-snap looks. I would like to see a little more play action but not convinced this is really a negative in and of itself. Macdonald did say we might do a little more under center work moving forward though.

 

[Maelstrom787]

I'm skeptical this has much of anything to do with our offense stuttering at times. Are the 11 picks because of shotgun? Is the run blocking because of shotgun? It doesn't limit you as much as people think when scheming plays and pre-snap looks. I would like to see a little more play action but not convinced this is really a negative in and of itself. Macdonald did say we might do a little more under center work moving forward though.

I don't think anyone is saying that every bad outcome is due to shotgun specifically, but I do see a valid point in that we don't have a lot of schematic counters when things go wrong.

This offense isn't one that can present multiple faces yet. I think Mac recognizes that issue based on his statements about going under center more.

Just need some deviation from the norm.

 

[Grand Strand Hawk Fan]

...instead of a experienced NFL one who could get one yard when we need one yard.

This article details a lot of it:

Are the Seattle Seahawks operating out of shotgun too often?

Mark Schlereth, Dave Wyman, Ray Roberts and the Huard brothers share their views on whether the Seattle Seahawks use shotgun too frequently.

sports.mynorthwest.com

It's going to take time...like it or not, this is an observational season.

 

[Ozzy]

I don't think anyone is saying that every bad outcome is due to shotgun specifically, but I do see a valid point in that we don't have a lot of schematic counters when things go wrong.

This offense isn't one that can present multiple faces yet. I think Mac recognizes that issue based on his statements about going under center more.

Just need some deviation from the norm.

I agree, I don't think people are saying that either. I also agree Mac seemed to agree to some degree? Will be interesting to see what they do after the bye week.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

The shotguns in the "safety game" were next level maddening. Nothing worse than a shotgun from the end zone. At least on this team w/a turnstile o line. Doing it once was one thing, but repeating it? Damn. I like Grubb, no secret about that, but sometimes he still calls the game like he has the UW O Line, which was voted best in the country last year. Sometimes, you gotta' just know your personnel.

 

[toffee]

Really hard to say hiring Grubb was a mistake. The OL is horrendous and when that happens absolutely everything on offense falls apart

Ok, let's say hiring of Grubb hasn't improved our offense?

 

[warden]

Ok, let's say hiring of Grubb hasn't improved our offense?

Let’s say John Schneider has under valued offensive lineman for years. He doesn’t have the players on the line