Question for the Geno apologists

[Maelstrom787]

QB tendency. Happened a lot under Waldron as well.

I'm thinking it's probably a bit of both. I think they come into some matchups wanting to really hammer DK and get him going early, especially after Dallas last year.

 

[SeAhAwKeR4life]

The bright side is the pathetic awful defense is a much bigger problem than Geno!

 

[cymatica]

Why did he play his worst game with the best pass protection he's been given all year if the O-Line is the problem?

He's behind a garbage oline that can't get any push while watching his defense get completely destroyed off the line and fooled constantly while expected to carry the team on his back every game. Their best pass pro was still trash

 

[andyh64000]

Clearly we will never win a Super Bowl with Geno at the helm.

 

[billbird2111]

My big issue with Geno is he’s really been trying to force the ball to DK, coverage be damned.

He also seems to pull a disappearing act midway through the season. It’s been a trend throughout his career as a hawk.

His Red zone numbers are also haven’t been great.

Geno isn’t as bad as some make him out to be, but he certainly has his flaws. Any talk about MVP was absurd homerism around here.

Likewise he’s not a terrible QB either.

I know the general feeling is to throw Geno under the bus for this one, but he's not the reason that the Seahawks lost. The Seahawks lost because they allowed the 49ers to march up and down the field and score points at a frightening pace.

What else is Geno going to do? Hand the ball off to Walker? And pray for a miracle? Geno is the reason why the Seahawks were in this game. He is not the reason why the team lost. Did he make a few mistakes? Yes. So did Purdy. No QB is perfect. But Purdy had his way with the Seattle defense through most of this game. When the Seahawks finally did shut down the 49ers passing game, they allowed a rookie back to bust off a big one. That is Geno's fault? I don't think so.

Anytime your defense gives up more than 20-points in any given game, the chances of winning said game are not good. Yet, Seattle came really close. This was not a blowout.

 

[SeAhAwKeR4life]

Yeah Geno is not the problem. The absolute joke of a Defense is. So much for Defensive gurus who are in WAY over their head.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Clearly we will never win a Super Bowl with Geno at the helm.

We won't win one as long as we're unable to run the ball, win in the trenches on offense, or stop opposing offenses either. That's the thing.

We attribute the ceiling to the QB, but all of those things are lowering the ceiling more severely

 

[Spin Doctor]

I know the general feeling is to throw Geno under the bus for this one, but he's not the reason that the Seahawks lost. The Seahawks lost because they allowed the 49ers to march up and down the field and score points at a frightening pace.

What else is Geno going to do? Hand the ball off to Walker? And pray for a miracle? Geno is the reason why the Seahawks were in this game. He is not the reason why the team lost. Did he make a few mistakes? Yes. So did Purdy. No QB is perfect. But Purdy had his way with the Seattle defense through most of this game. When the Seahawks finally did shut down the 49ers passing game, they allowed a rookie back to bust off a big one. That is Geno's fault? I don't think so.

Anytime your defense gives up more than 20-points in any given game, the chances of winning said game are not good. Yet, Seattle came really close. This was not a blowout.

I didn’t blame the loss on Geno, that being said he was apart of the problem. The defense sucked and Geno too had a bad game.

I’m more talking about overarching trends surrounding Geno Smith.

 

[hgwellz12]

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Awesome gif

 

[billbird2111]

I didn’t blame the loss on Geno, that being said he was apart of the problem. The defense sucked and Geno too had a bad game.

I’m more talking about overarching trends surrounding Geno Smith.

To be honest? Brutally honest? I don't think Geno is the answer either. I think he's just good enough to get the Seahawks beat.

Great QB's, however, do not grow on trees. Replacing a winner like Wilson at QB, who single-handedly made my life miserable for darn near a full decade, is not easy. On the other hand, if you go through the draft and you pick the wrong guy, you're in for some lost seasons. Look at the Bears with Justin Fields. How good have the Patriots been since they went back to the draft to try and replace Brady? QB is the most important position in the game of football, yet there is no tried and true method for choosing "the guy."

Some have made it work. Washington appears to have found "the guy." How long did it take them? But, for every Washington, there's a Carolina, or the NY Jets. Or, or, or...

Hang in there.

 

[olyfan63]

It's actually pretty simple why Geno sucked tonight:

1) Geno was injured in a way that affected his throwing motion, an injury that was either concealed or that occurred in-game. Someone noted in another thread, that Howell was staying warmed up nearly the entire game, and Geno preferred throwing to one side. I apologize if any of this is incorrect; repeating what I read, which sounded plausible.

2) The announcers thought that DK ran his route wrong on that last pick, and didn't help his QB.

Still, Geno wasn't the reason we lost this game. Just like he wasn't the reason we lost the Giants game.

 

[Maelstrom787]

It's actually pretty simple why Geno sucked tonight:

1) Geno was injured in a way that affected his throwing motion, an injury that was either concealed or that occurred in-game. Someone noted in another thread, that Howell was staying warmed up nearly the entire game, and Geno preferred throwing to one side. I apologize if any of this is incorrect; repeating what I read, which sounded plausible.

2) The announcers thought that DK ran his route wrong on that last pick, and didn't help his QB.

Still, Geno wasn't the reason we lost this game. Just like he wasn't the reason we lost the Giants game.

On point 2, yeah, this is absolutely more on DK

 

[GemCity]

Clearly we will never win a Super Bowl with Geno at the helm.

I agree here…but not because of Geno.

We’re 2-3 drafts short atm…I trust MM to fix things…things that will take time.

If Geno is still around or not at that point is beyond me.

 

[SonicHawk]

Geno did not have a good game.

Geno also would win with a good team. A lot of posters seem to think that our problems start and end at QB. That's not how anything works. The gameplan didn't work today, DK had a brutal outing, our defense played well a few different drives and swiss cheese on every other.

This was a team loss, Geno included. This is not a good team, this is not a bad team, this is an 8-9 or 9-8 team.

 

[GemCity]

On point 2, yeah, this is absolutely more on DK

The route timing wasn’t the issue.

This is poor execution on Geno’s end.

If the splits were “off” I’d wonder…but they’re not.

 

[Maelstrom787]

The route timing wasn’t the issue.

This is poor execution on Geno’s end.

If the splits were “off” I’d wonder…but they’re not.

I don't think the timing was the issue, I think the route itself was the issue. Drifting on a crosser is bad news and will lead to a pick like this. Genos already throwing the ball when DK drifts deep and loses inside leverage on the DB rather than flattening.

This was absolutely not a good game for Geno but given the full picture on this INT alone, I can't pin that all on him.

 

[rjas77]

Why did he play his worst game with the best pass protection he's been given all year if the O-Line is the problem?

Great question! For the most part Bosa and company were seen on milk cartons

 

[SonicHawk]

I don't think the timing was the issue, I think the route itself was the issue. Drifting on a crosser is bad news and will lead to a pick like this. Genos already throwing the ball when DK drifts deep and loses inside leverage on the DB rather than flattening.

This was absolutely not a good game for Geno but given the full picture on this INT alone, I can't pin that all on him.

Yeah, unless the ball is underthrown, it shouldn't have been a pick. DK dropping deeper means the CB can jump the route when he wasn't exactly on top of him.

Either DK ran a bad route, or the ball was underthrown and DK didn't seem to "slow up".

I don't solely blame DK -- but I also don't solely blame Geno on that one. Unlike his first pick.

 

[knownone]

The offensive line was not good. Although they only gave up a sack, this was one of their worst protection rates of the season. Pressures matter.

Geno had a terrible game, but the core issues have more to do with the team than him. Let's be honest: The defense gives up 35 PPG to non-bad (top 28) QBs. The offensive line can't run or pass block effectively, so nothing the skill position players are doing is ever easy. And since we're always immediately playing from behind, we can't even try to run the ball to take pressure off the passing game. No. We're asking the passing game to be damn near perfect in high-pressure situations all game for this team to win. That's not a formula success with 99% of QBs.

 

[ZagHawk]

Clearly we will never win a Super Bowl with Geno at the helm.