Does Macdonald keep Geno?

[GemCity]

The mocks almost always presume more interest in QBs that we see in real life. I'll be surprised if the Hawks take Penix, Nix, McCarthy or Rattler if available at 16. My guess is they go O line and wait to see who falls to them. Certainly Williams, Daniels and Maye will be long gone.

Thinking the same thing.

 

[Parallax]

Yep, he does win.............a lot.

He did. But he had an usually good college OL, with two NFL tackles, one likely to go in the first round. He also had three NFL WRs and an NFL TE. Odunze may go top five and he was target #1. Westover was like a magician out there. Penix would sometimes throw perfect passes. He was great in the Sugar Bowl. But there were nights when it was all he could do to get the ball in the vicinity of his receivers and they did the rest.

He had a great coach and OC who knew how to support him and how to scheme for him. It wasn't an NFL offense. I think the most concerning thing about Penix, other than the injury history, is how he played on those occasions when faced with real pressure in the pocket. That's when his game broke down. That's also what he'll have to routinely face in the NFL, where the guys on the DL are monsters and pass protection doesn't consistently hold up. Penix was hardly ever pressured the last two years.

 

[WmHBonney]

I would. If he doesn't run it, teams will presume the worst.

I listen to KJ's podcast quite often. Neither he nor Gee think that Penix will run. I'm just going by what they said. Makes me wonder if they know something we don't.

 

[chris98251]

He did. But he had an usually good college OL, with two NFL tackles, one likely to go in the first round. He also had three NFL WRs and an NFL TE. Odunze may go top five and he was target #1. Westover was like a magician out there. Penix would sometimes throw perfect passes. He was great in the Sugar Bowl. But there were nights when it was all he could do to get the ball in the vicinity of his receivers and they did the rest.

He had a great coach and OC who knew how to support him and how to scheme for him. It wasn't an NFL offense. I think the most concerning thing about Penix, other than the injury history, is how he played on those occasions when faced with real pressure in the pocket. That's when his game broke down. That's also what he'll have to routinely face in the NFL, where the guys on the DL are monsters and pass protection doesn't consistently hold up. Penix was hardly ever pressured the last two years.

Yes, but you can use that argument for Alabama, Georgia etc for almost any position. Thing is he had those players and performed, he will have NFL players all around him after he gets drafted so your point will be?

 

[bigcc]

Agree - that wasn't a pro or anti Geno post. That was a no matter what you just can't predict what a given player is going to do post. I'm glad I'm not the one having to make the decision.

You might reconsider if you saw the paycheck Schneider takes home

 

[bigcc]

And even he had big questions despite his stock being so high.

Namely the fact that hes got the body of a 15 year old Korean girl, but that ended up not being the worst part of his play so far I suppose.

Every time I saw the Panthers he literally looked like a child, no hyperbole.

He makes kyler look like a kaiju

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Yes, but you can use that argument for Alabama, Georgia etc for almost any position. Thing is he had those players and performed, he will have NFL players all around him after he gets drafted so your point will be?

And you either win when the game is on the line or you don't. He was the best in the country at finishing games. But but......they barely won. And?

COLD BLOODED KILLER when it matters. Just sayin.
As opposed to BO AND 3. You know, who lost to Penix all 3 times
He's far from a perfect QB. Yet again, not ONE of these guys is a "sure thing" and all have their plus and minus side to them. All of them. I'm not denying the health concerns at all. I just feel like it has been way overblown. That's just my opinion on it, not saying it's fact. Just how I feel. And I have a feeling plenty of teams are considering him.

 

[bigcc]

He could be there in the third. Hard to say. Every team would have to elect someone else twice but there are real questions. Depends how dazzled they are by the great arm. The arm is special.

You're right that no one's a sure thing but I'd gladly take Williams with pick #1. Absolutely and without hesitation. He's got the arm, the wheels, a really special ability to scramble and throw on the run. He's hard to take down and appears to be sturdy. He's as solid a QB prospect as one sees.

Injury is the reason I said I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't last a season. In terms of talent alone, one would expect him to at least be a competent backup and possibly an excellent franchise guy a team builds around. Obviously, one would need a team willing to expend resources on its O line, so not Seattle under Carroll.

I would have been much less Gung ho about drafting a qb were it carroll here... I still would have been, but with a new HC that's here for the long haul, if there's a qb there they like they have to take him. Full stop.

BTW most QB's don't last a full season... Literally. Both of the last two seasons, only 12 QB's started all 17.

So that applies to anyone, unless you're talking about not not lasting a season for his career because of injury, which would be beyond ludicrous

 

[SoulfishHawk]

The dude isn't made of Glass. He's tough. Yet another think about him that people seem to gloss over.

 

[Hawknight]

Seattle Seahawks' options with crucial QB decision looming

In less than two weeks, QB Geno Smith's 2024 salary becomes guaranteed. Should the Seattle Seahawks keep him or start planning for the future?

sports.mynorthwest.com

 

[bigcc]

The dude isn't made of Glass. He's tough. Yet another think about him that people seem to gloss over.

All 6 of the QBs are. Caleb finished a game with a broken leg lol

But at the end of the day it's a bigger concern with Penix than the other QB's.

Bones heal better than an acl, especially one torn twice.

This is a fact, not opinion... I think penix is talent wise, up there with the other 3, but falling to mid first for me is perfectly reasonable, and I understand if it makes other people uneasy?

Bro saying 3rd round is ridiculous though lol

 

[Maelstrom787]

Every time I saw the Panthers he literally looked like a child, no hyperbole.

He makes kyler look like a kaiju

It's jarring, isn't it? Almost scared for the guy.

 

[bigcc]

He did. But he had an usually good college OL, with two NFL tackles, one likely to go in the first round. He also had three NFL WRs and an NFL TE. Odunze may go top five and he was target #1. Westover was like a magician out there. Penix would sometimes throw perfect passes. He was great in the Sugar Bowl. But there were nights when it was all he could do to get the ball in the vicinity of his receivers and they did the rest.

He had a great coach and OC who knew how to support him and how to scheme for him. It wasn't an NFL offense. I think the most concerning thing about Penix, other than the injury history, is how he played on those occasions when faced with real pressure in the pocket. That's when his game broke down. That's also what he'll have to routinely face in the NFL, where the guys on the DL are monsters and pass protection doesn't consistently hold up. Penix was hardly ever pressured the last two years.

Odunze isn't even rated the top wr in draft, he's going like 8-15. I disagree with that, but it is what it is.

Penix moved in the pocket to avoid pressure on numerous occasions, but it definitely threw him off a few times as well. It's natural that he'd be thrown off when it happens because like you said, his line was tremendous.

Probably the best concern brought up so far, he has no say on what his OL is like, but those same concerns apply to the vast majority of 1st round qbs lol, they typically have great lines.

 

[bigcc]

It's jarring, isn't it? Almost scared for the guy.

He's listed 5'10 204

I'm sorry but there is literally NO way

 

[bigcc]

I listen to KJ's podcast quite often. Neither he nor Gee think that Penix will run. I'm just going by what they said. Makes me wonder if they know something we don't.

Did they mean in general, or just the combine?

Lot of guys run at their pro day, so that wouldn't worry me, but if he didn't run a 40 at all that would be a massive red flag.

Coaches/scouts are allowed to time the 40 run usually, it's not a big deal, and I'm assuming that's what they meant

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Rome will absolutely be a top 10 pick. He is a phenomenal WR. He's as clutch as they come, and as much of a team player as you'll ever find.
We can actually play football over here on the west coast too

 

[bigcc]

Rome will absolutely be a top 10 pick. He is a phenomenal WR. He's as clutch as they come, and as much of a team player as you'll ever find.
We can actually play football over here on the west coast too

Maybe.....

Harrison is 1st wr to go, and I'm skeptical on if 3 get taken top 10.... People seem split on if the second wr is nabers or rome, and I think the 3rd might slip past 10.

Schneider mentioned moving back to best player available, and if rome is there you trade dk for a kings ransom because Rome is a star in the making, minus the 15 yard penalties. (I love dk don't twist, just talking nonsense)

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Let's bet a pint. Plus, it's an excuse to have a pint.

 

[bigcc]

Let's bet a pint. Plus, it's an excuse to have a pint.

If you want to switch it from nabers to Harrison sure

Odunze won academic all American of the year, he'll pass nabers in interviews, similar to people underrating penix, I think the consensus is against Rome being the 2nd wr because they saw nabers more. That'll change the closer we get to the draft

EDIT: barring something unexpected from anyone, I don't think there's anything he could do to pass Harrison though

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I'm saying Rome will be top 10