Does Macdonald keep Geno?

[Ozzy]

In the top 5, you'll most likely see Caleb Williams, Drake Maye, and Jayden Daniels all off the board.

From there, you have Bo Nix, Michael Penix Jr., and JJ McCarthy as the next options, all of whom are fringe first rounders on consensus big boards right now.

Between the top 5 to 16 overall, we have the Falcons, Jets, Broncos, Raiders, and Saints as teams who have either a need or an impending need at the position.

Rams, Steelers, and Buccaneers pick after us and would be possible threats to trade up should they have one of those guys they really like and feel like they need to snipe us.

This is why I don't buy the argument that we should force quarterback because of the depth of the class. Yeah, it's a deep class, but that's because there are 3 top 5 prospects. After that, the deep class is a few fringe first round level prospects who have a lot of question marks when we're talking about investing a decent first round pick in them, and then some day 3 guys.

I do think Spencer Rattler joins the second tier if he shows well at the combine.

I hope John highlights someone he loves like Wilson and can get him at the perfect spot while still building up other areas. It's going to be tough with no second round pick though which pisses me off but that's already been beaten to death.

If John doesn't think anyone in that second tier is worth it then I trust him. If he does grab one of those guys I'll be excited as well. Trust the process at this point.

 

[haroldseattle]

Definitely need to get the trenches straightened out.

We could do a helluva lot worse than a mid-tier QB like now.

Fix the bigs….get the QBotF when the time is right.

Maybe we find a gem in the later rounds?

Get the QB of the future when the time is right? That would be this year,( or last year) because the QB corp in the 2025 draft looks weak and the Seahawks are not likely to be in position to draft any exception that stands out. So that would mean 2026 which means Metcalf, Walker, Cross, Lucas, Woolen, Mafe would all be FA's unless extensions happen and Lockett would be gone. NFL is a endless treadmill of churning personnel and the goal of waiting for a QB until the trenches are just right is a fantasy. Better to take shots at QB when there is a opportunity, because a good QB can stick for a decade and you fix the trenches best you can then.

 

[bigcc]

In the top 5, you'll most likely see Caleb Williams, Drake Maye, and Jayden Daniels all off the board.

From there, you have Bo Nix, Michael Penix Jr., and JJ McCarthy as the next options, all of whom are fringe first rounders on consensus big boards right now.

Between the top 5 to 16 overall, we have the Falcons, Jets, Broncos, Raiders, and Saints as teams who have either a need or an impending need at the position.

Rams, Steelers, and Buccaneers pick after us and would be possible threats to trade up should they have one of those guys they really like and feel like they need to snipe us.

This is why I don't buy the argument that we should force quarterback because of the depth of the class. Yeah, it's a deep class, but that's because there are 3 top 5 prospects. After that, the deep class is a few fringe first round level prospects who have a lot of question marks when we're talking about investing a decent first round pick in them, and then some day 3 guys.

Penix is going to shoot up the board when he runs low 4.6.

I'd be shocked if all 3 QB's don't shoot up tbh. Penix and at least one of the other two are going to go in the first.

Rams maybe, but I'd guess next year, or a qb in the second/third, I don't see them going for one in the first.

I don't think steelers are going qb after just two years of Pickett, but that one makes me uneasy.

Bucs aren't taking a qb in the 1st, I'd be surprised if they don't resign baker, they literally asked him who he thinks would be a good hire, and they went and got him.... Plus they have 2nd round pick Kyle trask who hasn't had a chance yet..... I mean he sucks, but the point remains.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Penix is going to shoot up the board when he runs low 4.6.

I'd be shocked if all 3 QB's don't shoot up tbh. Penix and at least one of the other two are going to go in the first.

Rams maybe, but I'd guess next year, or a qb in the second/third, I don't see them going for one in the first.

I don't think steelers are going qb after just two years of Pickett, but that one makes me uneasy.

Bucs aren't taking a qb in the 1st, I'd be surprised if they don't resign baker, they literally asked him who he thinks would be a good hire, and they went and got him.... Plus they have 2nd round pick Kyle trask who hasn't had a chance yet..... I mean he sucks, but the point remains.

Penix might go back down the board when they take a look at his knee, however. That'd be my big worry for his stock, some messiness in the knee after his 2 ACL tears.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Penix won 21 games in a row, went 9-0 vs. ranked teams, won the Sugar Bowl, beat Whoregon 3 straight times. He's cold blooded. Yet, one loss and a lot of people are acting like he sucks. I don't get it, but I just assume they didn't actually WATCH Penix play.
And yes, I DO understand the injury stuff. But, he didn't miss a single start the last 2 full seasons. People who don't actually watch him play clearly don't get how incredible he is. And that's fine. He's a beast, and whatever team gets him is getting one hell of a QB. He can make all the throws, he gets the "pocket QB" assumptions, but he absolutely is mobile when needed. And he has an absolute cannon for an arm. but...but.....his delivery looks strange.........

BFD. You either make the throws or you don't, and he does. You ever make the plays with the game on the line, and he does.

 

[bigcc]

Get the QB of the future when the time is right? That would be this year,( or last year) because the QB corp in the 2025 draft looks weak and the Seahawks are not likely to be in position to draft any exception that stands out. So that would mean 2026 which means Metcalf, Walker, Cross, Lucas, Woolen would all be FA's unless extensions happen and Lockett would be gone. NFL is a endless treadmill of churning personnel and the goal of waiting for a QB until the trenches are just right is a fantasy. Better to take shots at QB when there is a opportunity, because a good QB can stick for a decade and you fix the trenches best you can then.

Agree 100 percent. We're getting better value qb options at 16 than we would 9/10 years. And if geno is here, like you said we're not going to be bad enough to get a better option.

Nows the time, and if we don't take advantage I genuinely think we're going to be regretting it for years to come.

 

[bigcc]

Penix might go back down the board when they take a look at his knee, however. That'd be my big worry for his stock, some messiness in the knee after his 2 ACL tears.

His knee is already why he's a borderline 1st, and it's 100 percent reasonable to be concerned.

That being said, lead physician for the rams and dodgers cleared him and is apparently going to talk to any teams interested after giving him the thumbs up.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Keep telling the guy what he CAN'T do. He'll just continue to prove people wrong.

 

[bigcc]

Penix won 21 games in a row, went 9-0 vs. ranked teams, won the Sugar Bowl, beat Whoregon 3 straight times. He's cold blooded. Yet, one loss and a lot of people are acting like he sucks. I don't get it, but I just assume they didn't actually WATCH Penix play.
And yes, I DO understand the injury stuff. But, he didn't miss a single start the last 2 full seasons. People who don't actually watch him play clearly don't get how incredible he is. And that's fine. He's a beast, and whatever team gets him is getting one hell of a QB. He can make all the throws, he gets the "pocket QB" assumptions, but he absolutely is mobile when needed. And he has an absolute cannon for an arm. but...but.....his delivery looks strange.........

BFD. You either make the throws or you don't, and he does. You ever make the plays with the game on the line, and he does.

I'd be ecstatic taking him at 16.... Might be able to trade down and get him but I wouldn't want to risk it.... The guy has a major league arm talent.

Like I said before his stock will shoot up when he runs low 4.6's.

Like you said, the two years is great, and like I said, I'd be ecstatic taking him at 16, but the injury concerns are entirely still there. Dude suffered season ending injuries the 4 years before that.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Penix won 21 games in a row, went 9-0 vs. ranked teams, won the Sugar Bowl, beat Whoregon 3 straight times. He's cold blooded. Yet, one loss and a lot of people are acting like he sucks. I don't get it, but I just assume they didn't actually WATCH Penix play.
And yes, I DO understand the injury stuff. But, he didn't miss a single start the last 2 full seasons. People who don't actually watch him play clearly don't get how incredible he is. And that's fine. He's a beast, and whatever team gets him is getting one hell of a QB. He can make all the throws, he gets the "pocket QB" assumptions, but he absolutely is mobile when needed. And he has an absolute cannon for an arm. but...but.....his delivery looks strange.........

BFD. You either make the throws or you don't, and he does. You ever make the plays with the game on the line, and he does.

Quit talking so much shit, man. Yours is not the only opinion on Penix and this is exactly why he's not even in the top 32 on the consensus board right now.

Plenty of people who watch a lot more football than you disagree with what you're framing as an objective truth, and they're not all stupid.

Plenty of people who watch more football than you also agree with Penix being undervalued. Neither group is simply not watching. There are valid concerns and there are valid strong points to his play and the concerns don't need to be shouted down as "you don't watch him!" ad nauseam.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Dude, I'm not talking any shit. I'm sticking for up a guy that I have watched every single down of the last 2 years.
This is QB, opinions vary and always will. It's not that big of a deal. Just talking football. Why are you getting so bent out of shape man? Geezus. Relax.
And here I thought you and I were cool. Clearly not. I try to talk some football and you call me out. Yet again.
I watch plenty of football, and I know plenty about football. Regardless of what you think. You have strong opinions, and so do I. You always tell me that I get pissed off about differing opinions. You do the EXACT SAME THING. All the time. Look in mirror for once.
Back to square 1 I guess.

 

[bigcc]

Quit talking so much shit, man. Yours is not the only opinion on Penix and this is exactly why he's not even in the top 32 on the consensus board right now.

Plenty of people who watch a lot more football than you disagree with what you're framing as an objective truth, and they're not all stupid.

Plenty of people who watch more football than you also agree with Penix being undervalued. Neither group is simply not watching. There are valid concerns and there are valid strong points to his play and the concerns don't need to be shouted down as "you don't watch him!" ad nauseam.

Maybe I misunderstood but I was under the impression he was speaking generally about people doubting penix, not you specifically.

That being said, plenty of those people who watch penix have an implicit bias that because he's from the pac 12 his numbers don't count.... Film looks a lot different when you go into it with bias already on your mind, you gotta remember how many people they have to rank, and you gotta remember nobody outside of the west coast got our games(may the pac 12 media deal burn in hell) ..... Everyone saw the national championship though. They saw Texas but all I heard was how bad the db's are.

Agree with your end point though, along with injuries, he took like 5 snaps under center, and had like 3+ guys in motion half the time.

Ball don't lie though, I'm glad he has those question marks because we wouldn't be in a position to take him otherwise

 

[Ozzy]

I think it was Nagy? I can't remember but someone super connected to the league said just based on film and if you removed the injury history Penix would be his #1 QB off the board because he has a special arm and does things none of the rest do at this point. I think a desperate team or a team with a really good situation will take a chance even with the injuries and draft him . But its also possible the injuries are so bad that everyone drops him. I think he's worth the risk and if Seattle can get him on day 2 I would love it.

 

[Ozzy]

From a film standpoint Penix is special. Almost everyone agrees on that front.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Yep. I think I've said all I need to on Penix. It's not worth the back and forth at this point. Whatever team gets him is getting a hell of a QB. If it's Seattle, great. If not, so be it. I live and die UW football, have my entire life. I know what my eyes tell me. Yet again, I'll get accused of not liking varying opinions. Not even close to the truth, but whatever.

and here it comes in 3.....2......1......

 

[GemCity]

Everyone keeps saying this is the draft to snatch a QB.

Have you considered who will be on the board when we pick?

I’m not saying that the current rankings directly correlate to future performance but, do you guys understand we’d probably be looking at the 5th ranked QB…as our first round pick?

Do we have the capital to trade up? Trade with who? Give up future first rounders to select this year? Are you THAT sold on a guy?

Of course we need a QBotF…but the logistics behind it don’t sound all that promising.

Now, if JS spots a diamond in the rough and grabs a guy late…there’s always a chance.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

It does feel like a trade down would benefit them in the 1st round. Could add an extra pick or two and still take care of some needs.
The bonus of the 1st round pick is you get the 5th year.

 

[bigcc]

I think it was Nagy? I can't remember but someone super connected to the league said just based on film and if you removed the injury history Penix would be his #1 QB off the board because he has a special arm and does things none of the rest do at this point. I think a desperate team or a team with a really good situation will take a chance even with the injuries and draft him . But its also possible the injuries are so bad that everyone drops him. I think he's worth the risk and if Seattle can get him on day 2 I would love it.

Can't say if it was him specifically, but nagy was his hype man so it's possible.

I'd be ecstatic taking him on day 2 as well but that's not reality lol. We don't have a 2nd, and I would be stunned if he drops that far. Like flabbergasted, his stock is only going to go up between now and the draft when everyone gets to see him throw in person/on camera.

If we passed on him, I think we'd regret it for a long time, but I've been certainly wrong before /shrug

 

[bigcc]

It does feel like a trade down would benefit them in the 1st round. Could add an extra pick or two and still take care of some needs.
The bonus of the 1st round pick is you get the 5th year.

At the end of the day if we keep leonard I'm happy with the trade, but it does sting not having a 2nd when talking about the draft lol.

Trade down for penix is the dream but I think he's probably going around late teens if we don't take him after he apparently looked miles ahead of bo at senior bowl practices.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

So hard to make the call on when he will go. Let alone guys like Nix and Mccarthy. IF they could trade down and still get a QB, bonus.
Plus, we're over 2 months away from the draft. So much can change in the meantime. The draft is a total guessing game. For the experts and the fans. It's all a guessing game, that's what makes it fun.