Why Russell Wilson is washed?

[toffee]

Thoughts?

 

[Aircrew]

Missing wide open receivers, failing to go through progressions and reads, not getting plays off in time, taking idiotic sacks, not seeing over the line, no longer being elusive (see also, fat) are not typically associated with an off year. He's washed. And, in my opinion, Payton is going to bench dangerwich at some point next season.

 

[toffee]

I have been joking about Wilson's fragile psyche, apparently, Carroll worked really hard to needle it before and after our season opener. Remember how Carroll brought Sherm & company to the game? How 12s booed him? Etc etc? Wilson played well enough in that game, and ain't the same afterwards.

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

Mike McGlinchey: We have a good shot to help Russell Wilson get to higher heights than before

Tackle Mike McGlinchey has seen plenty of Russell Wilson over the years, but he's getting a new view of the quarterback this spring.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

Mike McGlinchey wasn’t good against the pass In sf With Jimmy g. How’s he supposed to protect little habitrail back there scrambling around? Why is he so much in love?

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I don't think Wilson is washed. I think Russell had a biblical dose of reality last year coming to the sobering realization that he doesn't know everything, and actually DESPERATELY needs a HC and coordinator to playcall and scheme to his strengths.

And he has that now in Payton, who isn't going to mess around and kiss Russell's ass like Hackett did. He's going to kick Russ's ass, and install an offense and playbook that Russ can run efficiently.

I fully expect a bounce back season for Russ. Maybe not peak Russ, but good to great Russ.

 

[toffee]

Mike McGlinchey: We have a good shot to help Russell Wilson get to higher heights than before

Tackle Mike McGlinchey has seen plenty of Russell Wilson over the years, but he's getting a new view of the quarterback this spring.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

Mike McGlinchey wasn’t good against the pass In sf With Jimmy g. How’s he supposed to protect little habitrail back there scrambling around? Why is he so much in love?

Blocking for Wilson was never easy, just ask Duane Brown.

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

I don't think Wilson is washed. I think Russell had a biblical dose of reality last year coming to the sobering realization that he doesn't know everything, and actually DESPERATELY needs a HC and coordinator to playcall and scheme to his strengths.

And he has that now in Payton, who isn't going to mess around and kiss Russell's ass like Hackett did. He's going to kick Russ's ass, and install an offense and playbook that Russ can run efficiently.

I fully expect a bounce back season for Russ. Maybe not peak Russ, but good to great Russ.

Pete could only get 6-8 out of him his last year. Fifty five sacks, a concussion, prp injections in the shoulder, the hamstring, a knee op, he might not be 2021 Russ, even.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Pete could only get 6-8 out of him his last year. Fifty five sacks, a concussion, prp injections in the shoulder, the hamstring, a knee op, he might not be 2021 Russ, even.

Denver is a much more balanced team than the past couple years of Russ in Seattle. Especially on defense, of which Denver has a very good one.

Are they winning the SB? No, but fans also shouldn't write Russ off with what happened last year. IMO Payton was the perfect hire to resurrect Russ, and I think he will get him back to playing at a high level.

KJ agrees with me.

 

[keasley45]

A qb who cant read defenses and was once great anyway because he had a coach who built an offense around his ability / inability / knack for improv, and was uniquely gifted with an ability to extend plays, who then goes to a coach who is known for running wat HE runs AND who himself is now a player who has lost athleticism due to age and injury, wont be bouncing back from anything. There's nothing to bounce back from. Its just a fall.

Peyton has sent every signal in the world that he wants the qb position played a certain way SO THAT HE CAN BE THE COACH THAT HE NEEDS TO BE. He signed a backup from LV and a B league star because they are excellent processors of the game. Peyton isnt going to tear 1/3rd of the playbook out to avoid throws across the middle, hit wide open players, and toss passes that require anticipation. He'll remove the player that cant do what he needs him to and get someone else. He's made that abundantly clear.

Russ, as great as he was, was NEVER the type of QB Peyton covets. He's not cerebral. He's not strategic in breaking down defenses and taking whats there. In fact, he / we often failed because of his inability to do those things. And last year showed how poor he is at those skillsets. People point to the last few games of the season as evience that it was coaching that kept Russ down. Those last few games were played against teams resting players or otherwise not totally invested in sacrrificing for a win. And the plays he was running were verbatum scripted from what he knows how to do. Peyton isnt going to hamstring himself for Russ.

Sean Payton doesn’t want to work with Russell Wilson?

According to Terry Bradshaw, who worked with Sean Payton for a year at FOX, indicated that Sean Payton does not actually want to work with Russell Wilson.

predominantlyorange.com

Pete LIVES off of working with players to get the max out of what THEY do and bring... who they are. Thats why Russ flourished here. Peyton? he is known as an offensive mastermind. ie - not a guy whos going to tarnish his reputation because he has the wrong tool to execute his plan.

 

[SeAhAwKeR4life]

I suspect Russel is now about an average 90 rated passer. I don't think he's useless or will be bad as last year, but he's gonna take too many sacks, throw way too many incompletions and miss way too many open receivers.

His ceiling is now "better than average" IMO. But we'll have to wait and see won't we?

 

[IndyHawk]

I don't think Wilson is washed. I think Russell had a biblical dose of reality last year coming to the sobering realization that he doesn't know everything, and actually DESPERATELY needs a HC and coordinator to playcall and scheme to his strengths.

And he has that now in Payton, who isn't going to mess around and kiss Russell's ass like Hackett did. He's going to kick Russ's ass, and install an offense and playbook that Russ can run efficiently.

I fully expect a bounce back season for Russ. Maybe not peak Russ, but good to great Russ.

The playbook will fit into Me3's wristband.

 

[FrodosFinger]

He’s no Drew Brees that’s for sure. SP will find out quick enough. Getting beat out by the Sea Dragon’s quarterback wouldn’t surprise me at all. Russ needs set plays he’s comfortable with to succeed and elite receivers. Seattle has the best receiving corps in the league bar none.
Denver….that roster is ass now that we raped it lol

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

milehighnation reveals Russ is still the biggest problem among fans.

Fans believe quarterback is the Broncos weakest link on offense

In Russ We Trust? Not if you ask many Broncos fans. Denver needs to get the most out of Russell Wilson in 2023.

www.milehighreport.com

 

[Sports Hernia]

He lost his legs/escapability. That’s the main gist of it.

 

[Palmegranite]

 

[Weadoption]

what if he goes on a heater in Payton’s system?
i really don’t thing it’s that far fetched.
If they get their running game and O line on track and stay healthy, they have the weapons to be successful.

 

[toffee]

Pocket passers like Brady and Peyton have longer shelf life, scrambling type seldom last as long. A scrambling qb that do not take care of his body? The cliff can hit early. Then I saw this pic,

 

[IndyHawk]

He's lasted longer than most RB QB's because he did have an arm
but he will be throwing high ducks like Peyton was in his last
season..Once that happens it's totally over.

 

[onanygivensunday]

I'm hesitant to believe that Me3 is washed up, but his shortcomings have definitely been exposed.

He'll turn 35 y/o during the season. He's lost his elusiveness, and therefore his effectiveness in keeping plays alive for big gains. He doesn't excel in making progressive reads to find his open receiver. He also doesn't excel at running screen plays because of his limited sight lines in heavy traffic.

I'm guessing that Sean Payton will become quite frustrated with Russ so I expect that at some point this season Payton will make a change at QB.

 

[Donn2390]

what if he goes on a heater in Payton’s system?
i really don’t thing it’s that far fetched.
If they get their running game and O line on track and stay healthy, they have the weapons to be successful.

A resurrection is always a possibility, but how does a great coach(?), an improved running game, and improved Oline translate into an improvement in vision and decision making?
Last year Russ had a difficult time seeing an open man right in front of him, and even more difficulty hitting said open man. Too many times, when he presumably did spot an open receiver, his brain made him go instead to a previously locked on receiver who had defenders draped all over him.
I'm sure there will be some improvement but I can't see him ever being anything more than average at best, time and pounds have limited the unlimited.!
It will be fun to follow Denver this year just to see if all of the improvements will trickle down to the quarterback position, or if Jarrett Stidham will be the beneficiary of the changes..