I really am baffled how he changed after his first three years in the league. I wouldn't trade those 3 years for any QB. However, Somehow how he kept getting worse after that. It amazes me because everyone talks about his work ethic including himself but he didn't show any improvement in his game. What the hell does he work on? Just chucking deep balls to his receivers? The guy still cannot read a blitz and adjust his O-line accordingly other than checking into a go ball or run.
My apologies to Russell Wilson
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As soon as the Giants drafted Dart in the first round, the clock was ticking on his time with the team as a starter. It was just a matter of when he was going to be replaced. It's been pointed out that the Saints game on the road the week after next, and before that the Bears game on the road in early November might be the time, but it seems like as early as next week could be possible now.
This is it for RW being brought in by any team to be their starter for any length of time. The only hope left for him to start is a playoff contending team that loses their QB and has a fairly steep drop off after them, or such a team that loses both their starter and backup. The only team that even comes to mind for me now is the Bengals.
Boy, if you need to get your QB on track or back on track just play the Cowboys. They've managed to make both RW and Caleb Williams look good in back-to-back weeks.
This is it for RW being brought in by any team to be their starter for any length of time. The only hope left for him to start is a playoff contending team that loses their QB and has a fairly steep drop off after them, or such a team that loses both their starter and backup. The only team that even comes to mind for me now is the Bengals.
Boy, if you need to get your QB on track or back on track just play the Cowboys. They've managed to make both RW and Caleb Williams look good in back-to-back weeks.
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He wasn't any different his first three years other than he had wheels
and defenses hadn't figured out that he couldn't function against cover 2 zone.
Once they let him "cook" and the Giants put in the Zone D, it's never been
the same for him because he refused or couldn't adapt to those zone
coverages.
Against a poor D playing man, chucking it was easy.
Against a good D playing Zone? You saw otherwise.
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John Pagano showed the league how to beat Wilson in 2014, and Wilson has never been the same. He had some brilliant flashes after that, but the blueprint was out, and once teams realized and adopted the blueprint, they were able to shut him down.
Once he lost his wheels, he was totally cooked.
Shocked that the Broncos, Steelers, and Giants couldn't see the obvious.
Once he lost his wheels, he was totally cooked.
Shocked that the Broncos, Steelers, and Giants couldn't see the obvious.
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He's not in the Emerald city anymore. New York Minute and your done, he will be roasted and flayed by the media there. He better have some dragon scale armor to wear. Pittsburgh was tough, Denver can be, Seattle well we have never really been tough on our teams for some reason in General, a few beat guys have but that about it and they retired or the paper went out of business.'We want Dart' chants fill Giants' stadium as fans grow tired of Russell Wilson
'We want Dart' chants fill Giants' stadium as fans grow tired of Russell Wilson
New York Giants fans appeared to be fed up with the Russell Wilson experience on Sunday night and called for the team to put in Jaxson Dart.www.foxnews.com
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Yeah, he way overplayed his hand at the end here in a city with a fanbase you really have to rub the wrong way to have so many turn against you, or at least think a lot less of you than before. Denver, Pittsburgh, and New York are all deeply rooted football cultures that all soon wanted nothing to do with him. But hey, he got his money, no doubt about that. He had some kind of luck on his side.
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I think the first 3 Giants games points out just how bad the Cowboy D is. Giants did nothing week 1 and 3, and then Wilson just torches Dallas in week 2
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It's simple.
All the world-renowned Wilsoncologists are on dot net, the GMs, HCs, QB coaches, and scouts simply do not know Russell Wilson the way some experts here do.
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I get what you are saying, with your appeal to authority here, but Wilson has proved to be far closer to what the Dot Net Wilsonologists predicted than what these team experts seemed to be hoping for, and his failures have come in the exact manner that was foretold here.
If we want to appeal to authority, it seems that Sean Payton also had a different take on Wilson than all these expert GMs, coaches, scouts, etc.
Or maybe they were ok with buying a little time with a middle of the road QB, who will razzle dazzle you, living and dying by the search for that increasingly elusive hero ball, deep throw, while they search for a successful starter.
But as Pagano showed, take away the outside, deep zones, and force him to beat you over the middle and with his legs, and you neuter him.
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... turns out his anus was connected to his brain causing multiple, inexplicable brain farts.
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I have been critical as any of Russ and also would chuckle when I would hear about how he was the first guy in, last guy out. It was beyond me what he was working on so hard that he never improved the cerebral part of his game. However, to give him his credit, he is incredibly accurate (when he actually decides to throw) and showed improvement in accuracy over the course of his career. If you go back and watch his first 4 or so years in the League, he wasn't nearly the deep ball passer he became by year 7. He would toss em deep but many were the contested jump ball variety that he would rely on Rice, ADB or Kearse to grab down. Now he probably wasn't practicing deep balls in the QB room at 5am, but I don't think it was all entirely improv when he would break pocket and run around. He, Doug, Tyler and Kearse had a mind meld that I am sure in no small part was a result of him putting in the time to figure out the strategy of where he might reliably get the ball to after a receiver ran out his route, or where he might coordinate with a wr on where to be, say on a route that he figured would have a low probability of him making 'on time' (ie throws to the short and medium middle of the field). When he was best, we was rolling with guys he had worked with and who he knew well - guys he had put the time into watching film, understanding the playbook, and scheming the 'Russ' version of the play.
I am pretty sure he always knew he wouldn't be the elite x's and o's QB. He spent his hours figuring out how to succeed despite not having that ability. Seeing as how nobody ever succeeded at it the way he did, I'd wager he was genuinely working hard at it. It was just never a way of playing that would port anywhere else but Seattle under Pete. As soon as he HAD to play a straight-up QBs game, his days were numbered.
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For a guy who was almost obsessed with how he was being perceived by others, I find it kind of remarkable how lacking in self-awareness he came off as being to me.
Good thing Pete isn't an Xs and Os type of coach otherwise Russell might have never made it to the league.
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Dart is going to get slaughtered by that media the moment he makes a mistake and the calls will be for Wilson to be put back in.
NY is a place QB's careers go to die unless you are post season Eli Manning. Darnold, Geno Smith, even Daniel Jones is looking better away form there.
NY is a place QB's careers go to die unless you are post season Eli Manning. Darnold, Geno Smith, even Daniel Jones is looking better away form there.
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I noted down a few things when I watched the documentary about Sea Biscuits (SB), one of the fastest horses.
- SB wasn't a looker, a little short and somewhat chubby, but he displayed speed when he wanted to run.
- SB was owned by the richest woman at the time, a Vanderbilt, I think
- Vanderbilt hired the best, a trainer who won Triple Crown.
- SB was untrainable under this trainer, as he bit and kicked the jockeys.
- SB was sold to his second owner, who owned a car dealership and was trained by a cowboy with minimal racehorses experience.
- This cowboy figured out that SB was different, and he ....
- Let SB sleep lying down until noon, no morning training.
- Double the size of his stall, and put an old mare, a monkey, and some dogs as company.
- Changed his diet.
- The rest was history.
I dunno, the sentiment I get among Giants fans is that the Owner and Coaching staff is very incompetent. Seeing Daniel Jones and Saquon succeed and Russ fail as much as they did gives Dart some leeway. I think starting him in the hardest game possible might be good for him because expectations are pretty low at this point.
