Bunch of Statistics After 3 Games

[SoulfishHawk]

Good points. I've said my peace, and I stick to my opinion that scoring in the 2nd half is extremely important. There are def. improvements overall by the offense. Just gotta' learn to finish better. Which they likely will do better as the season goes along.

 

[rcaido]

Time of possession is really bad. How are we ranked 30th if we are ranked 3rd in 3rd down conversions.

Offensively we are not getting enough yards and points. We are at the bottom.

 

[sutz]

Time of possession is really bad. How are we ranked 30th if we are ranked 3rd in 3rd down conversions.

Offensively we are not getting enough yards and points. We are at the bottom.

It's 3 games. After next week, 1 game will be 25% of the data. Big swings in rankings are inevitable this time of year. Offense agains Atlanta was good enough to be competitive. Defense, not so much.

 

[knownone]

It's interesting to see how people evaluate Geno each week. For example, he was last in Y/A last week, so the talking point was that Geno only takes the check down. However, after the Falcons game, he's moved up to 15th in Y/A, so now the conversation is more nebulous, like we only scored 3 points in the second half, or he didn't win the game. And to be fair, at this point, there is not much to nitpick about Geno statistically. He looks significantly better than most have anticipated.

 

[Own The West]

The defense will start to gel about week 8 and then we’ll be a lot more fun to watch. Keep in mind that even though we’re playing a new system with a bunch of rookies and new guys, we’re still playing better at this point than last year.

Patience folks, we’ll get there.

 

[toffee]

It's interesting to see how people evaluate Geno each week. For example, he was last in Y/A last week, so the talking point was that Geno only takes the check down. However, after the Falcons game, he's moved up to 15th in Y/A, so now the conversation is more nebulous, like we only scored 3 points in the second half, or he didn't win the game. And to be fair, at this point, there is not much to nitpick about Geno statistically. He looks significantly better than most have anticipated.

If one would to take ESPN's RTG and QBR, PFF's passer and overall QB gradings into consideration, Geno has been above average in his last 8.5 games, which is half a season's worth of data.

Our team is 1-2, Geno isn't the cause of our record. Offense needs to cut down on penalties, Defense can start with setting the edges and tackling.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

But he is PART of it. Why is the QB getting a pass on all criticism? The defense has been hot garbage so far, though pretty decent in the red zone. But 3 points in the 2nd half total? At some point, the QB is at least part of the problem. He absolutely has played better overall than many of us thought he would.

 

[Maelstrom787]

But he is PART of it. Why is the QB getting a pass on all criticism? The defense has been hot garbage so far, though pretty decent in the red zone. But 3 points in the 2nd half total? At some point, the QB is at least part of the problem. He absolutely has played better overall than many of us thought he would.

The QB isn't getting a pass on all criticism, which is abundantly clear simply by reading the forum.

He SHOULD be getting very little of the criticism as one of the teams only objectively good performers in 2022 so far, regardless of him not being good enough to simply put the entire team on his back and carry them into the endzone.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Very little? Why? Can we just agree that you over rate him and I under rate him?

 

[Maelstrom787]

Very little? Why? Can we just agree that you over rate him and I under rate him?

No. I rate him based on his actual performance, not his name.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Ok, simple question, and I want an honest answer. Are you satisfied with his performances in the 2nd half of games? Especially the 4th quarter? Is not scoring point in the 2nd half important to you from your QB?

 

[DarkVictory23]

Very little? Why? Can we just agree that you over rate him and I under rate him?

Um... because he's been playing well?

Geno hasn't been 'great', but literally no one expected that. Instead, he's performed at a level that puts him comfortably in the top half of the league at this point.

Now though, because Geno hasn't been the trash that some folks predicted, we're supposed to be mad because he's not the next Tom Brady?

Like, at this point in the season, Geno is playing better than Russ and as best I can see, every other QB we could have had instead of Geno. So what's the issue?

We're getting the best possible QB play we realistically had a chance at.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Yep, playing well until the 4th quarter. I'm not saying he isn't playing well, he is. Since when is it good enough to NOT score points in the 2nd half of games?
He's the damn QB, it is on him to lead the team to scoring drives in the 2nd half of games. Do I expect too much? maybe.

 

[cymatica]

Time of possession is really bad. How are we ranked 30th if we are ranked 3rd in 3rd down conversions.

Offensively we are not getting enough yards and points. We are at the bottom.

Looks like they put themselves in 3rd down situations quit often with small yard gains on first and second down

 

[Fudwamper]

No. I rate him based on his actual performance, not his name.

Geno is a big part of the problem. Someone can prove me wrong but every time I watched just the qb on a pass play he STARED down is WR. He stared down all the stupid forced throws. I assume he makes his mind up prior to throwing. He looks like a college qb one reading.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Geno is a big part of the problem. Someone can prove me wrong but every time I watched just the qb on a pass play he STARED down is WR. He stared down all the stupid forced throws. I assume he makes his mind up prior to throwing. He looks like a college qb one reading.

There have been fewer stupid, forced throws made than most other quarterbacks make, though. That's the thing. He's not really a significant part of the teams trouble. Again, he's one of the only ones playing ABOVE expectations, and significantly so.

Almost every single method of evaluation agrees. From your PFF type evaluation, to basic passing stats, to advanced stats.



Another chart. PFF on one axis, EPA+CPOE on the other.

I don't know what more can be said. It's nearing objective fact that his performance has been comparatively good.

 

[Mick063]

30th against the run.

There is NO statistic that is more meaningful than that. Too much talk about points (offense) in this thread. Geno is far from the biggest problem. In fact he is one of the more productive players on the entire team. The defense has to get off the field to give the offense a chance. Some of that can be helped with more discipline. It is hard enough to legitimately stop the opponent, let alone giving them a free pass with automatic first downs for late hits and defensive holding.

When Kam Chancellor played in the box, overpowering pulling guards, and stuffing the run, it did one simple, very effective thing.
It put opponents into predictable "down and distance" situations. In other words, you can play aggressive, anticipatory defense on 3rd and nine. Alternatively, you are "on your heels" on 2nd and two. It really is that simple. The Seahawks suck because of their defense. 3oth against the run. 30th against the run. 30th against the run. You don't need to delve any deeper than that.

 

[Chukarhawk]

It's interesting to see how people evaluate Geno each week. For example, he was last in Y/A last week, so the talking point was that Geno only takes the check down. However, after the Falcons game, he's moved up to 15th in Y/A, so now the conversation is more nebulous, like we only scored 3 points in the second half, or he didn't win the game. And to be fair, at this point, there is not much to nitpick about Geno statistically. He looks significantly better than most have anticipated.

except the part where he still averages 1.25 TD's a game. He's not the reason we lost to Atlanta, he played well enough for us to win but he just doesnt give you any shot to come back from any kind of deficit.

 

[DarkVictory23]

Yep, playing well until the 4th quarter. I'm not saying he isn't playing well, he is. Since when is it good enough to NOT score points in the 2nd half of games?
He's the damn QB, it is on him to lead the team to scoring drives in the 2nd half of games. Do I expect too much? maybe.

Well, first of all: If he's playing well (as you say), why would he be a focal point of criticism for the team?

Additionally, we're only 3 games into the season. Each game has an overinflated import on stats, so by focusing on only one half (or worse, one quarter) across only 3 games means you are focusing on a smaller version of an already limited set of data and at the same time, failing to acknowledge how situational differences.

For example, you are ignoring that we've had 14 first half drives to only 10 second half (technically 11, but one was a kneel down drive, so counts for nothing). As you might expect, you are more likely to score points when you have more chances to score points.

Additionally, outside of one game, we've had worse starting position in the second half of games. (The game where we had better? The Atlanta game, the only one we scored in the second half... but we also only had 3 drives in the second half of that game and only 1 in the fourth quarter where the damn QB led us all the way to the 10 before he got screwed by a BS holding call.)


Limiting your analysis of Geno to only the second half (or worse, 4th quarter) of games when you've already got only 3 games worth of data to begin with means you are making your argument from at worst 3 quarters to at best a game and a half worth of data.

I wonder how many QBs in the league I could make the 'Why does this guy suck so bad in the 'Insert Quarter of Your Choice' argument for?
How come Tom Brady doesn't any have any first half TD throws?
Do you know how many 4th quarter TDs Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes have thrown for combined? 1.
In fact, Geno's 68.1 passer rating in the 4th quarter is pretty anemic, but it's practically a HOF performance compared to Mahomes 41.2.

 

[hoxrox]

Ok, simple question, and I want an honest answer. Are you satisfied with his performances in the 2nd half of games? Especially the 4th quarter? Is not scoring point in the 2nd half important to you from your QB?

Not satisfied with his performance in the second half, but it's a TEAM sport. At least we are scoring in quarters 1-3?

Remember how annoying it was to watch games where we didn't score UNTIL the 4th quarter? And only when uptempo and scramble drills were used? That was annoying.

Ultimately it doesn't matter as much on WHEN you score. When the clock hits zero, it matters HOW MUCH you score. So rating the offense based on that metric is more meaningful.