Wilson maturing as a quarterback

[bigwrm]

I wasn't able to start watching the game until the 4th quarter, but I think in the span of just a few plays at the beginning of the quarter I saw Russ:

-Draw a defender offsides and take a shot downfield. I think this is the second week in a row he's done that and I don't remember him taking advantage of the free play last season.
-Then he found Tate behind another receiver and made a nice 30yd completion after rolling to his left. I'm not even sure he sees Tate last season.
-Maybe the next play after that a defender came through unblocked and instead of trying to scramble or taking the sack, Wilson threw the ball away immediately.

Man am I happy we finally have our quarterback for the next 10+ years. This guy keeps getting better.

 

[jkitsune]

Wilson's amazing, I love him, he's phenomenal for being a 2nd-year QB, and he's incredibly talented.

BUT.

He made a lot of young QB mistakes today, not the least of which was panicking and driving the ball into the turf repeatedly under pressure. He's INCREDIBLY lucky none of those got flagged for grounding. He's also pretty lucky that ridiculous 1st down while he was being sacked wasn't a pick.

He also RAN at the end of the half for 10 yards with no timeouts and :18, and after last week, that whole 2-minute drill was inexcusably bad. The last thing you can do there is run or take a sack. Reminded me of the Falcons game.

Again, the dude is a baller, he's playing way above what I ever could've dreamed from him, he threw the ball well tonight, but he also looked very young at times.

 

[Smellyman]

Wilson's amazing, I love him, he's phenomenal for being a 2nd-year QB, and he's incredibly talented.

BUT.

He made a lot of young QB mistakes today, not the least of which was panicking and driving the ball into the turf repeatedly under pressure. He's INCREDIBLY lucky none of those got flagged for grounding. He's also pretty lucky that ridiculous 1st down while he was being sacked wasn't a pick.

He also RAN at the end of the half for 10 yards with no timeouts and :18, and after last week, that whole 2-minute drill was inexcusably bad. The last thing you can do there is run or take a sack. Reminded me of the Falcons game.

Again, the dude is a baller, he's playing way above what I ever could've dreamed from him, he threw the ball well tonight, but he also looked very young at times.

grounding? it was a smart play.

dumb play on the pass to miller?

Only one person was going to make that catch.

was this a real post or one of those sarcastic ones.?

 

[pocketprotector]

Wilson's amazing, I love him, he's phenomenal for being a 2nd-year QB, and he's incredibly talented.

BUT.

He made a lot of young QB mistakes today, not the least of which was panicking and driving the ball into the turf repeatedly under pressure. He's INCREDIBLY lucky none of those got flagged for grounding. He's also pretty lucky that ridiculous 1st down while he was being sacked wasn't a pick.

He also RAN at the end of the half for 10 yards with no timeouts and :18, and after last week, that whole 2-minute drill was inexcusably bad. The last thing you can do there is run or take a sack. Reminded me of the Falcons game.

Again, the dude is a baller, he's playing way above what I ever could've dreamed from him, he threw the ball well tonight, but he also looked very young at times.

You can't be serious

 

[brettb3]

Wilson's amazing, I love him, he's phenomenal for being a 2nd-year QB, and he's incredibly talented.

BUT.

He made a lot of young QB mistakes today, not the least of which was panicking and driving the ball into the turf repeatedly under pressure. He's INCREDIBLY lucky none of those got flagged for grounding. He's also pretty lucky that ridiculous 1st down while he was being sacked wasn't a pick.

He also RAN at the end of the half for 10 yards with no timeouts and :18, and after last week, that whole 2-minute drill was inexcusably bad. The last thing you can do there is run or take a sack. Reminded me of the Falcons game.

Again, the dude is a baller, he's playing way above what I ever could've dreamed from him, he threw the ball well tonight, but he also looked very young at times.

None of those plays were even close to grounding. And on that throw, there was no defender in the vicinity of Miller. I agree about the run at the end of the half.

 

[Smelly McUgly]

Only thing is on that first lost fumble, he held onto the ball way too long. He does that sometimes instead of sensing pressure and getting down. But the dude was insane tonight, I'm not harping on that in the least. He's a great QB and will soon be elite if he isn't already.

 

[Hawkpower]

Wilson's amazing, I love him, he's phenomenal for being a 2nd-year QB, and he's incredibly talented.

BUT.

He made a lot of young QB mistakes today, not the least of which was panicking and driving the ball into the turf repeatedly under pressure. He's INCREDIBLY lucky none of those got flagged for grounding. He's also pretty lucky that ridiculous 1st down while he was being sacked wasn't a pick.

He also RAN at the end of the half for 10 yards with no timeouts and :18, and after last week, that whole 2-minute drill was inexcusably bad. The last thing you can do there is run or take a sack. Reminded me of the Falcons game.

Again, the dude is a baller, he's playing way above what I ever could've dreamed from him, he threw the ball well tonight, but he also looked very young at times.

The only valid point you make here is the run at the end of the half.

The grounding drivel makes me wonder if you understand football rules. You do realize that if it hits a foot from Miller's foot its legal....right??

 

[jkitsune]

I'm going to ignore the posts questioning my knowledge of football rules, and respond to the rest of it.

There were several plays where a receiver was NOT particularly close to the play while Wilson was under pressure, where the ball needed to get a lot further out of bounds instead of directly into the turf. That's not heresy. It just happened. A couple of times even the commentators noted it was pretty borderline.

Throwing the ball as you're being tackled and parallel to the ground is a really, REALLY risky move, and after the last couple of weeks it makes me nervous. That particular pass was not close to being intercepted. The actual act of throwing it in that manner is dangerous.

I don't record games, I don't have All-22 film, and I think Wilson's a spectacular quarterback. I'm not going to get into a pissing match about football knowledge. He threw the ball incredibly well tonight and made some mistakes in ball protection, choosing to run, and risked a couple grounding calls. Not sure why that's so shocking to say.

 

[brettb3]

Wilson's amazing, I love him, he's phenomenal for being a 2nd-year QB, and he's incredibly talented.

BUT.

He made a lot of young QB mistakes today, not the least of which was panicking and driving the ball into the turf repeatedly under pressure. He's INCREDIBLY lucky none of those got flagged for grounding. He's also pretty lucky that ridiculous 1st down while he was being sacked wasn't a pick.

He also RAN at the end of the half for 10 yards with no timeouts and :18, and after last week, that whole 2-minute drill was inexcusably bad. The last thing you can do there is run or take a sack. Reminded me of the Falcons game.

Again, the dude is a baller, he's playing way above what I ever could've dreamed from him, he threw the ball well tonight, but he also looked very young at times.

The only valid point you make here is the run at the end of the half.

The grounding drivel makes me wonder if you understand football rules. You do realize that if it hits a foot from Miller's foot its legal....right??

I don't question your football knowledge. I just respectfully disagree with you on those two points.

 

[kearly]

He made a lot of young QB mistakes today, not the least of which was panicking and driving the ball into the turf repeatedly under pressure. He's INCREDIBLY lucky none of those got flagged for grounding. He's also pretty lucky that ridiculous 1st down while he was being sacked wasn't a pick.

Wilson didn't even have one play that would have been a legit grounding. He always had a target in the area. I thought this was a major positive for him tonight.

The run he had though at the end of the first half? Super dumb. Ironically, we were bailed out by a Max Unger hold that stopped the clock with 10 seconds left, and there is no runoff rule in the 1st half. Funny how things work out sometimes.

 

[Hawkpower]

I'm going to ignore the posts questioning my knowledge of football rules, and respond to the rest of it.

There were several plays where a receiver was NOT particularly close to the play while Wilson was under pressure, where the ball needed to get a lot further out of bounds instead of directly into the turf. That's not heresy. It just happened. A couple of times even the commentators noted it was pretty borderline.

Throwing the ball as you're being tackled and parallel to the ground is a really, REALLY risky move, and after the last couple of weeks it makes me nervous. That particular pass was not close to being intercepted. The actual act of throwing it in that manner is dangerous.

I don't record games, I don't have All-22 film, and I think Wilson's a spectacular quarterback. I'm not going to get into a pissing match about football knowledge. He threw the ball incredibly well tonight and made some mistakes in ball protection, choosing to run, and risked a couple grounding calls. Not sure why that's so shocking to say.

Shocking because none of them were close to actually being grounding.

I dont remember the announcers brewing about it either, but perhaps they did. If so, they were wrong as well.

 

[Perfundle]

There were several plays where a receiver was NOT particularly close to the play while Wilson was under pressure, where the ball needed to get a lot further out of bounds instead of directly into the turf. That's not heresy. It just happened. A couple of times even the commentators noted it was pretty borderline.

Considering how quickly the defender was bearing down on him, he has two choices: either throw it low near one of his receivers, which is what he did, or get sacked, and possibly fumble the ball. Considering that the worst-case scenario on the throws is a 10-yard loss and loss of down, which is pretty much the same thing as the sack, I don't see the problem here.

 

[jkitsune]

He made a lot of young QB mistakes today, not the least of which was panicking and driving the ball into the turf repeatedly under pressure. He's INCREDIBLY lucky none of those got flagged for grounding. He's also pretty lucky that ridiculous 1st down while he was being sacked wasn't a pick.

Wilson didn't even have one play that would have been a legit grounding. He always had a target in the area. I thought this was a major positive for him tonight.

The run he had though at the end of the first half? Super dumb. Ironically, we were bailed out by a Max Unger hold that stopped the clock with 10 seconds left, and there is no runoff rule in the 1st half. Funny how things work out sometimes.

Yeah, that's got to be the best penalty we've had all year. Might've had a conniption if we walked away with no points before the half again.

As for the grounding, if I'm wrong I'm wrong. I thought I saw what I thought I saw, and other tautologies. It looked to me like several of his tossaways, while in the direction of a receiver, did not come particularly close. I don't rewatch the game to check my work, so I could just be wrong. That's cool with me, too. Like I said, he threw the ball incredibly well and is a phenomenal player. Y'all can put the pitchforks away.

 

[Perfundle]

He made a lot of young QB mistakes today, not the least of which was panicking and driving the ball into the turf repeatedly under pressure. He's INCREDIBLY lucky none of those got flagged for grounding. He's also pretty lucky that ridiculous 1st down while he was being sacked wasn't a pick.

Wilson didn't even have one play that would have been a legit grounding. He always had a target in the area. I thought this was a major positive for him tonight.

The run he had though at the end of the first half? Super dumb. Ironically, we were bailed out by a Max Unger hold that stopped the clock with 10 seconds left, and there is no runoff rule in the 1st half. Funny how things work out sometimes.

I think there is, but offensive holding doesn't trigger the runoff. Here are the situations where it does occur:

A foul by either team that prevents the ball from being snapped
Intentional grounding
Illegal forward pass beyond the line of scrimmage
Throwing a backwards pass out of bounds
Spiking or throwing the ball away after a down (unless after a touchdown)
Any other intentional act that causes the clock to stop

 

[irocdave]

I have held judgment on Wilson for the last year and almost half. What I saw tonight solidified my opinion of his QB intelligence, ability and future. That throw to his TE in the 3rd quarter was a play no other could make. Wilson has shown flashes of this but tonight he cemented his status as an elite QB in my mind. When we get an elite line we will see a consistent ELITE performance from RW consistently.

 

[HawKnPeppa]

For anyone trying to nitpick Wilson, name how many QBs in the league could turn in the same performance behind such dismal pass pro?

At what point do you stop being hyper critical of a second-year QB and put the focus squarely on a bonified weakness? It starts with an 'O' hint, hint. :ugeek:

 

[Smellyman]

He made a lot of young QB mistakes today, not the least of which was panicking and driving the ball into the turf repeatedly under pressure. He's INCREDIBLY lucky none of those got flagged for grounding. He's also pretty lucky that ridiculous 1st down while he was being sacked wasn't a pick.

Wilson didn't even have one play that would have been a legit grounding. He always had a target in the area. I thought this was a major positive for him tonight.

The run he had though at the end of the first half? Super dumb. Ironically, we were bailed out by a Max Unger hold that stopped the clock with 10 seconds left, and there is no runoff rule in the 1st half. Funny how things work out sometimes.

I think there is, but offensive holding doesn't trigger the runoff. Here are the situations where it does occur:

A foul by either team that prevents the ball from being snapped
Intentional grounding
Illegal forward pass beyond the line of scrimmage
Throwing a backwards pass out of bounds
Spiking or throwing the ball away after a down (unless after a touchdown)
Any other intentional act that causes the clock to stop

apparently after a replay reversal on the Rice catch too?

wtf was up with that. Seattle had to burn a TO?

 

[Perfundle]

apparently after a replay reversal on the Rice catch too?

wtf was up with that. Seattle had to burn a TO?

Nah, that was the correct call. If the catch had been ruled as such and there were no review, the clock would still be running anyway.

 

[McGruff]

apparently after a replay reversal on the Rice catch too?

wtf was up with that. Seattle had to burn a TO?

Nah, that was the correct call. If the catch had been ruled as such and there were no review, the clock would still be running anyway.

Rice was not touched by a defender and rolled out of bound. Stoppage of the clock. No 10 second runoff or timeout required

 

[CalgaryHawk]

We have to get better Olineman to protect him though, otherwise he won't last 10 years to reach his full potential. Eventually one of those QB hits will dislocate his shoulder.