Too many wide open receivers

[SoulfishHawk]

And so are you. Fair enough.

 

[DomeHawk]

And so are you. Fair enough.

I really don't want to belabor this but how is pointing out possible reasons for us being the worst pass defense in the league overreacting? We shouldn't discuss that?

That's right, out of 32 teams we are 32. Regardless of your take on why that is, it is a good topic for discussion.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/o ... s-per-game

 

[xray]

The lack of pass rush was a problem last season and it really wasn't seriously addressed again this season . There where some players available , but the Hawks didn't want to pay much for them . Adams is a gr8 pickup , but his real position of value is not as a pass rusher . Wilson and his receivers are playing lights out right now , but expecting them to put up 35 pts every week is too much to ask . The offense as we've seen so far can get the Hawks into post season , but the defense won't let them proceed very far . IMO

 

[Sports Hernia]

Diggs being out changed the whole dynamic of last nights game.
It’s a more comfortable win if he plays the whole game.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

It absolutely did, w/out a doubt.

 

[DomeHawk]

The lack of pass rush was a problem last season and it really wasn't seriously addressed again this season . There where some players available , but the Hawks didn't want to pay much for them . Adams is a gr8 pickup , but his real position of value is not as a pass rusher . Wilson and his receivers are playing lights out right now , but expecting them to put up 35 pts every week is too much to ask . The offense as we've seen so far can get the Hawks into post season , but the defense won't let them proceed very far . IMO

It's a fair point and I think many of us were waiting for them to get a legit pass rusher and when they didn't it was disturbing. And you are right, a SS's primary role isn't as a pass rusher but until a pass rusher appears we may well be relegated to being a heavy blitzing team.

Let's hope this is just early season stuff.

 

[DomeHawk]

Diggs being out changed the whole dynamic of last nights game.
It’s a more comfortable win if he plays the whole game.

Yeah, and I am not so simplistic to think think it is only one thing. It's a whole mixed bag of coverage, pass rush, injuries, early season, and the injuries you reference. I'm sure they are working hard on it but like someone else said, you can't expect the offense to score 35 pts a game.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

But why ignore the fact that he went out before the end of the 2nd quarter. Not long after they lost Blair?
Come on, I doubt many people are claiming this is a great D. But why can't you acknowledge that is WAS a factor last night?

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

Diggs being out changed the whole dynamic of last nights game.
It’s a more comfortable win if he plays the whole game.

Yeah, and I am not so simplistic to think think it is only one thing. It's a whole mixed bag of coverage, pass rush, injuries, early season, and the injuries you reference. I'm sure they are working hard on it but like someone else said, you can't expect the offense to score 35 pts a game.

I have to agree here. We're a little better on overall d I give you that but we still have 2019's d-line approach, which makes me more wont to question Norton's role here.

 

[DomeHawk]

But why ignore the fact that he went out before the end of the 2nd quarter. Not long after they lost Blair?
Come on, I doubt many people are claiming this is a great D. But why can't you acknowledge that is WAS a factor last night?

Where did I not acknowledge that? But like other people have written here, he wasn't injured in the Atl game where we gave 500+ yds. And, you lose one player and your whole pass defense breaks down? C'mon.

Like I wrote, it's a whole combination of things but that doesn't mean you can't discuss any one component.

It's like you criticizing the 3rd and 1. Should we post that you are constantly bitching about the play calling? This constantly criticizing posters that write anything negative about the Seahawks doesn't serve anything useful to the discussion.

 

[scutterhawk]

800 yds passing in 2 weeks is a problem.

They won a game their QB threw for 5 TDs. (And almost lost it if that WR does not let the ball go through his hands)

The objective this year should not be to win the most games in the regular season. It is go farther in the playoffs.

This is a very bad red flag. There is no way this team does anything in the playoffs outside of the wildcard win if they do not fix this. MAYBE if they win the division but then they will lose the game against whatever division opponent they play.

Yes it is a win. That was fantastic. But it was also a very very bad sign this team has a tremendous issue that they might not be able to overcome. MAYBE if Quinn gets fired and they switch DCs midway through the season? But I don't see Carroll firing a DC midway through the year regardless.

So yes it feels great to win but it is impossible to see this defense and not be very very concerned.

So sad to think that they aren't even aware that there's some holes in their game, and probably ain't even going to try'n fix them, is that what you're implying?
"very bad red flag" LOLOL, Is there such a thing as a GOOD "red flag"? :smilingalien:

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Relax Dome, it's just football talk, it's not personal. Yes, I hated the 3rd and 1 call.
But I'm VERY happy they are 2-0. I'll gladly bow out of the discussion. I've said my peace.

 

[Bobblehead]

Guess it's like a pay check.. happy you got one then you look at all the deductions and it's WTF?

 

[SoulfishHawk]

No doubt :irishdrinkers:

 

[Ad Hawk]

Relax Dome, it's just football talk, it's not personal. Yes, I hated the 3rd and 1 call.
But I'm VERY happy they are 2-0. I'll gladly bow out of the discussion. I've said my peace.

Soul, what was the original 1st read on the 3rd and 1 play? The 2nd read?

Lockett was the 3rd read, and was only missed by 6 inches.

Hard to critique a play the we cannot even know the first plan that was covered up.

Oh, and to those who say "that's why you run the ball," Cam Newton wants to chat with you.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

It was 3rd and 1, and you're up 5 and wanting to eat up the clock and make them use timeouts. Just hand the damn ball to Carson and let him get the 1st down.

 

[PateratoWilson]

While I agree with the OP... I just have to realize that both the Falcons and the Cheatriots were also playing from behind for most of the second half and, as usual, Pete goes prevent. That's on Pete. How Norton doesn't adjust is on him. I'm with that feeling. Another reason why we need a pass rush, ASAP. Bruce going requires a major shaking of the free agent trees...we need help up front (Love, Capt. Obvious) :snack:

 

[potatohead33]

One one of the Edelman catches he laid out for it, and it clearly hit the ground and moved before he brought it into his chest. I think if Pete challenged it would have (should have) been ruled incomplete. The Patriots even went up and snapped the next play quickly. Pete missed one there I think.

 

[PateratoWilson]

One one of the Edelman catches he laid out for it, and it clearly hit the ground and moved before he brought it into his chest. I think if Pete challenged it would have (should have) been ruled incomplete. The Patriots even went up and snapped the next play quickly. Pete missed one there I think.

Great point. I saw that too. Edelman is on my top 20 list of loathed players.

 

[ryank24]

There's definitely room for improvement on D, particularly with the pass rush. But I think the D is a little better than they're being given credit for.

The falcons racked up a ton of yards and points in garbage time and didn't really have a chance at the end. Yesterday, the offense spotted the patriots 7 points at the beginning of the game with that tipped pass that got returned for a TD, so the D actually only have up 23 points, and came up with a huge stop to win it at the end. With Diggs and Blaire being out of the game, and with the pats playing from behind having to throw the ball all over the place to catch up, they racked up passing yards. The Patriots are still the patriots, and as much as I don't like Cam, he's not a bad quarterback.

If we went back to the old ways of forcing the run and digging ourselves into a hole for 3 quarters before trying to come back and win it at the end, we'd be the ones playing from behind and our opponents would be throwing a lot less often on us and the pass defense would probably look better.

Yeah, I'd like to see some improvement, especially when it comes pressuring the QB. But I think it's way too early to claim this defense is going to keep us from going anywhere in the playoffs. I like our chances a whole lot better this year with the way the offense is operating than how I've felt the last several years.