Sherman Rumours

[hawksincebirth]

Your in denial if you think this f.o. Or coach can rebuild this team. The last four years have proven me correct. I hope your correct. But seeing Sherman coming back on another team and bouncing back will be a death blow to this f.o. Imho.

More deflecting now that your original point (that Sherman isn't in decline) is shown to be false.

If he does bounce back with another team, that team won't be paying him $11 million next year. Which is why Seattle is looking to dump his salary next year. No one is going to sign him on par with his current deal. Seattle would take him back for cheaper too, which they should if given the opportunity.

My original point still holds firm . Sherman is stil a top 5 cb period . So from one to now maybe fifth best, was he our best corner last year ???

Yes he was our best corner, but by what metric is Sherman still a Top 5 CB? If you are demanding proof he is in decline (which is easy to verify), what proof do you have he is a top 5 CB? You already said he was Top 12 and has been hurt the last 2 seasons.

How do you know how he'll perform coming off a major injury? No one knows how he'll perform this year. You think a 30 year old CB coming off 2 achilles surgeries is going to jump up at least 7 spots in the CB rankings?

Easy name 5 corners you would take over Sherman right now ? Say he come back 100% ?
Maybe jalen Ramsey ? Peters no , trufant no .

At this point we are debating opinions. How do you jump seven spots ? Hmmmm he played hurt and was #12 say he comes back healthy 100% he couldn’t get to top 5 ? Imho he will go to Dallas and they will hoist a trophy and we will forever regret this move. I hope all you guys are right I feel otherwise

 

[HawkFan72]

Say he come back 100% ?

You can't know that! That's the point! You are basing your opinion COMPLETELY off sentimentality and blind optimism.

The fact that Sherman is in decline is not an OPINION. It is backed up by real statistics. You are debating your opinion against facts. Not opinion against opinion.

Achilles injuries are one of the most severe injuries an NFL player can have and is considered a career-threatening injury by NFL doctors. It almost never gets back to 100% strength. 36% of NFL players with achilles injuries NEVER play at an NFL level again. Recovery is about 11 months to be considered at full strength.

But yeah, let's just assume that Sherman will come back at 100% less than 1 year after he fully tore his achilles and had a 2nd surgery on his other one.

 

[hawksincebirth]

Your in denial if you think this f.o. Or coach can rebuild this team. The last four years have proven me correct. I hope your correct. But seeing Sherman coming back on another team and bouncing back will be a death blow to this f.o. Imho.

So you'd extend Sherman coming off a major achilles tear? Because that's what you're saying if you want him to stay.

You're gonna pay a guy who's coming off a major injury another 3-4 years at 12M+ for a team that's rebuilding and desperately needs the cap space.

Why? So we can go 9-7 again?

I'm also pissed at John and Pete for trading picks and screwing over our cap last year going for broke. But it is what it is, and if we want to our cap right, Richard's gotta go...........cause he's not in the rebuild plans.

So without sherm , kam, Bennett , jg, avril. This team will be better than 9-7? We will pick top 5 next year if we didn’t give that up in a horrible trade ? ukeface:

You didn't answer my question.

You're defending Sherman, and I get it, he COULD still be a good corner. But if you haven't noticed, we're in a total rebuild, so you either want to cut Sherman to save cap, or you plan on extending him to still be in the team after next year.

You just keep saying he's good, and maybe? But that's not looking at the future, or even talking about what a pain in the ass negative personality he's become to his coaches.

btw, we were already on the decline WITH these guys, to the tune of 9-7 last year. You think all of a sudden all these guys are going to get healthy, stay healthy AND we'll be back in the SB?

We may stink next year, we may stink in 2019. But if you're gonna rebuild, rebuild. No reason to keep an disgruntled cornerback on the decline around, AND pay him 12-15M a year.

IMO we were 9-7 last year because we had the worst line in the league . We signed eddie triple cheeseburger lacy, have missed on the last 4 drafts, made horrible trades and fa moves over the last few years.

 

[hawksincebirth]

Say he come back 100% ?

You can't know that! That's the point! You are basing your opinion COMPLETELY off sentimentality and blind optimism.

The fact that Sherman is in decline is not an OPINION. It is backed up by real statistics. You are debating your opinion against facts. Not opinion against opinion.

Watch Deangelo Hall on ESPN first take this morning on him coming back from not one but two consecutive Achilles tears.
Of course everyone’s body is different ... just scroll up and read big sky docs opinion on the injury

A lot of .net has faith in this coach and front office off of sentimentality and blind optimism but what do I know ukeface:

 

[HawkFan72]

Say he come back 100% ?

You can't know that! That's the point! You are basing your opinion COMPLETELY off sentimentality and blind optimism.

The fact that Sherman is in decline is not an OPINION. It is backed up by real statistics. You are debating your opinion against facts. Not opinion against opinion.

Watch Deangelo Hall on ESPN first take this morning on him coming back from not one but two consecutive Achilles tears.
Of course everyone’s body is different ... just scroll up and read big sky docs opinion on the injury

A lot of .net has faith in this coach and front office off of sentimentality and blind optimism but what do I know ukeface:

I'm just telling you the facts. That's great for DeAngelo Hall, but he is the exception, not the norm. Read it for yourself:

Once the tendon ruptures, it is usually never back to 100% again. Even in professional sports, 36% of NFL or NBA players sustaining an Achilles tendon rupture never return to pro sports, and those who do usually take about a year before they are playing competitively. Additionally, players who do return typically have a decrease in their power of about 50% and only play for an average of 3-4 more seasons. These injuries also seem to be on the rise, with more than 16 NFL players rupturing their Achilles tendons in the 2014 season.

https://www.si.com/edge/2015/04/16/rothman-sports-medicine-achilles-injuries-kobe-bryant

Since Sherman tore his in November, his achilles won't be back at 100% strength until around October.

 

[hawksincebirth]

Say he come back 100% ?

You can't know that! That's the point! You are basing your opinion COMPLETELY off sentimentality and blind optimism.

The fact that Sherman is in decline is not an OPINION. It is backed up by real statistics. You are debating your opinion against facts. Not opinion against opinion.

Achilles injuries are one of the most severe injuries an NFL player can have and is considered a career-threatening injury by NFL doctors. It almost never gets back to 100% strength. 36% of NFL players with achilles injuries NEVER play at an NFL level again. Recovery is about 11 months to be considered at full strength.

But yeah, let's just assume that Sherman will come back at 100% less than 1 year after he fully tore his achilles and had a 2nd surgery on his other one.

Easy google search ... there is about a 36% chance Sherman never gets back to elite level or plays a down in the nfl again.
Your correct we don’t know . Imo sherm has earned the opportunity to try

 

[iigakusei]

Say he come back 100% ?

You can't know that! That's the point! You are basing your opinion COMPLETELY off sentimentality and blind optimism.

The fact that Sherman is in decline is not an OPINION. It is backed up by real statistics. You are debating your opinion against facts. Not opinion against opinion.

The one thing we do know is he isn't going to get better, it really is about how fast the decline happens. In Sherman's case coming off a serious injury (and other cleanup procedures) and considering his age and wear and tear (played a lot of football, never shies away from contact etc.), one might assume the decline happens quickly.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

IMO we were 9-7 last year because we had the worst line in the league . We signed eddie triple cheeseburger lacy, have missed on the last 4 drafts, made horrible trades and fa moves over the last few years.

The defense was #22 in the league last year, offense was #15.

They both were sub par.

 

[hawksincebirth]

Say he come back 100% ?

You can't know that! That's the point! You are basing your opinion COMPLETELY off sentimentality and blind optimism.

The fact that Sherman is in decline is not an OPINION. It is backed up by real statistics. You are debating your opinion against facts. Not opinion against opinion.

Watch Deangelo Hall on ESPN first take this morning on him coming back from not one but two consecutive Achilles tears.
Of course everyone’s body is different ... just scroll up and read big sky docs opinion on the injury

A lot of .net has faith in this coach and front office off of sentimentality and blind optimism but what do I know ukeface:

I'm just telling you the facts. That's great for DeAngelo Hall, but he is the exception, not the norm. Read it for yourself:

Once the tendon ruptures, it is usually never back to 100% again. Even in professional sports, 36% of NFL or NBA players sustaining an Achilles tendon rupture never return to pro sports, and those who do usually take about a year before they are playing competitively. Additionally, players who do return typically have a decrease in their power of about 50% and only play for an average of 3-4 more seasons. These injuries also seem to be on the rise, with more than 16 NFL players rupturing their Achilles tendons in the 2014 season.

https://www.si.com/edge/2015/04/16/rothman-sports-medicine-achilles-injuries-kobe-bryant

Yup and the lakers cut Kobe too ?nope they let one of the all time great lakers retire a laker

 

[hawksincebirth]

IMO we were 9-7 last year because we had the worst line in the league . We signed eddie triple cheeseburger lacy, have missed on the last 4 drafts, made horrible trades and fa moves over the last few years.

The defense was #22 in the league last year, offense was #15.

They both were sub par.

The defense was ranked #11 by nfl.com

 

[HawkFan72]

Say he come back 100% ?

You can't know that! That's the point! You are basing your opinion COMPLETELY off sentimentality and blind optimism.

The fact that Sherman is in decline is not an OPINION. It is backed up by real statistics. You are debating your opinion against facts. Not opinion against opinion.

The one thing we do know is he isn't going to get better, it really is about how fast the decline happens. In Sherman's case coming off a serious injury (and other cleanup procedures) and considering his age and wear and tear (played a lot of football, never shies away from contact etc.), one might assume the decline happens quickly.

Exactly! That's my point. Logic tells us that Sherman will not get back to 100% this year, the last year of his deal. He will not be worth $11 million this season.

Again, we all love Sherman. I want him back. The Seahawks do too! Just not at his current contract number.

 

[warden]

The reality of the business. Sherman is heading into the last year of his contract which will pay him 13 mil. Lots of questions, will he even be 100% for the last year? Is there a chance he has no intentions of extending for a realistic dollar value after this year? Has Sherman representing himself making things harder? It does seem that the team wanted to have a sit down with Sherman about the future. About reducing his salary for next season, about learning what their options are. It is easy to speculate, that the Seahawks are not comfortable giving Sherman 13 mil for the final year of his contract when there is a strong chance that he due to injury may not be the same player he used to be for that final year. There is also this cap thing, a mini rebuild happening and most importantly, the Seahawks are reluctant to give big money to players over the age of 30. Cutting him may be a short term ouch, but the right thing to do when looking ahead 2 to 3 years from now

 

[HawkFan72]

You can't know that! That's the point! You are basing your opinion COMPLETELY off sentimentality and blind optimism.

The fact that Sherman is in decline is not an OPINION. It is backed up by real statistics. You are debating your opinion against facts. Not opinion against opinion.

Watch Deangelo Hall on ESPN first take this morning on him coming back from not one but two consecutive Achilles tears.
Of course everyone’s body is different ... just scroll up and read big sky docs opinion on the injury

A lot of .net has faith in this coach and front office off of sentimentality and blind optimism but what do I know ukeface:

I'm just telling you the facts. That's great for DeAngelo Hall, but he is the exception, not the norm. Read it for yourself:

Once the tendon ruptures, it is usually never back to 100% again. Even in professional sports, 36% of NFL or NBA players sustaining an Achilles tendon rupture never return to pro sports, and those who do usually take about a year before they are playing competitively. Additionally, players who do return typically have a decrease in their power of about 50% and only play for an average of 3-4 more seasons. These injuries also seem to be on the rise, with more than 16 NFL players rupturing their Achilles tendons in the 2014 season.

https://www.si.com/edge/2015/04/16/rothman-sports-medicine-achilles-injuries-kobe-bryant

Yup and the lakers cut Kobe too ?nope they let one of the all time great lakers retire a laker

He wasn't in the final year of his contract, was he? The Lakers were terrible the last few years of Kobe's contract and he was terrible too. He was a joke. Kobe's example is not helping your case. Yeah everyone got warm fuzzies about Kobe retiring a Laker, but it wasn't a good basketball decision to keep him on.

If Sherman had 2-3 more years on his deal he likely wouldn't be going anywhere. But the fact he's a FA after this year means he either has to contribute at 100% this year (unlikely) or he's not worth keeping at his current cap number.

 

[chris98251]

Easy name 5 corners you would take over Sherman right now ? Say he come back 100% ?
Maybe jalen Ramsey ? Peters no , trufant no .

A.J. Bouye

Chris Harris

Marcus Peters

Marshon Lattimore

Jalen Ramsey

Xavien Howard

Trevor Williams

Patrick Robinson

Patrick Peterson

Tre'Davious White

There is 10 that I would take right now while Sherman is on Crutches.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

IMO we were 9-7 last year because we had the worst line in the league . We signed eddie triple cheeseburger lacy, have missed on the last 4 drafts, made horrible trades and fa moves over the last few years.

The defense was #22 in the league last year, offense was #15.

They both were sub par.

The defense was ranked #11 by nfl.com

22 in total yards, and 19 in points...........and if you're happy with even being #11 with this old ass defense going forward? Then you're not being truthful here.

It's time to move on, paying Richard to stay here another 3-4 years being a pain in the ass while we're trying to rebuild makes no sense.

 

[Maelstrom787]

You can't know that! That's the point! You are basing your opinion COMPLETELY off sentimentality and blind optimism.

The fact that Sherman is in decline is not an OPINION. It is backed up by real statistics. You are debating your opinion against facts. Not opinion against opinion.

Watch Deangelo Hall on ESPN first take this morning on him coming back from not one but two consecutive Achilles tears.
Of course everyone’s body is different ... just scroll up and read big sky docs opinion on the injury

A lot of .net has faith in this coach and front office off of sentimentality and blind optimism but what do I know ukeface:

I'm just telling you the facts. That's great for DeAngelo Hall, but he is the exception, not the norm. Read it for yourself:

Once the tendon ruptures, it is usually never back to 100% again. Even in professional sports, 36% of NFL or NBA players sustaining an Achilles tendon rupture never return to pro sports, and those who do usually take about a year before they are playing competitively. Additionally, players who do return typically have a decrease in their power of about 50% and only play for an average of 3-4 more seasons. These injuries also seem to be on the rise, with more than 16 NFL players rupturing their Achilles tendons in the 2014 season.

https://www.si.com/edge/2015/04/16/rothman-sports-medicine-achilles-injuries-kobe-bryant

Yup and the lakers cut Kobe too ?nope they let one of the all time great lakers retire a laker

Why use such a poor false analogy? It doesn't convince anyone of you being correct. Basketball and football are two vastly different sports, teams are built different. Sherman and Kobe are also vastly different players of substantially different worth to their respective organizations.

You hardly even responded to the cold hard facts that you were replying to.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

I agree Sherman is the best option. He can still play. But to argue that he's not in decline is ludicrous. There are real reasons they are looking to dump his $11 million Cap hit.

It depends on whether you think he's declining towards Charles Woodson or towards Kelly Jennings. You pretty much said yourself that old Sherman is still better than half the CB's in the league.

Meanwhile, we have no replacement on the roster for him, not even a league average replacement; no second- or third-round picks in the draft; and a quickly diminishing amount of tradeable players we can use to recover one.

Thanks largely to the Duane Brown trade, this really was a bad time to get rid of people.

 

[HawkFan72]

Why use such a poor false analogy? It doesn't convince anyone of you being correct. Basketball and football are two vastly different sports, teams are built different. Sherman and Kobe are also vastly different players of substantially different worth to their respective organizations.

And also the fact that Kobe was never good again after his injury! And the Lakers were bottom feeders until he retired!

 

[iigakusei]

I am going to bet that the interest in Sherman once he is cut will be a lot less than he (or us) expects.

 

[12forlife]

SHERMAN IS ARGUABLY THE BEST CORNER OF ALL TIME... statistically. You do not just cut Deion Sanders in his prime

First off Sherm isn't in his prime. Second we haven't cut him just yet, if we can't get some descent draft pick or picks in return, then I'm sure they will give an opportunity to take a pay cut, to play out this season and let him walk next year so the can get the comp pick in 2020. This is a business, we all loved the original LOB, but this is the NFL "Not For Long"
we carried to many of these guys to long into their career with extensions & high cap hits. If we stay @ 18 and land Derwin James, Josh Jackson or Isaiah Oliver. LOB 2.0 will be under way, especially if they keep ET and with Shaq Griffin proving he is legit. I don't expect us to a SB contender this year, but this has to be done with the Rams becoming lead dog, SF now appears to have a legit QB finally, and Zona a QB away from putting us at the bottom of our own division. I have stated this in other posts, but we built the original LOB with a bunch of young talent with chips on their shoulders ala Sherm, Chancellor & Browner none of which were high draft picks. Unlike the debacle of what Cable did with our Oline over the years. Pete knows how to coach up DB's & Safties. Better days ahead.

Please provide me with any proof sherm is in decline ?? I’ll wait . Keep in mind he played Hurt all season .. still ranked #12 corner ahead of guys like trufant, Norman , talib :yawn:

Wow you appear to be on this Island all by yourself. None of us are saying Sherm "wasn't" great or hasn't put up great numbers or that he wasn't a key part to our SB runs. That said his best football is behind him. He already wasn't quick/fast now dealing with knee & achilles issues it is only going to get worse. Sherm has never been as valuable as say oh I don't know Revis, Talib or Peterson. Sherm was basically a one trick pony and only worked on the right side of the field, those other corners locked down the best receiver on the field every game. He was simply a product of a system in a great D. Maybe you have missed the games over the past couple years, maybe go back and look at the chargers, titans, Houston just to name a few. Sherm has become more & more a liability . He is no where near what his cap hit is. Sorry but a good CB that can only play one side of the field low versatility is not worth 13mil coming off his type of injuries dream on man. Now if he wants to restructure for 2 years for something like 7-8 mil per then maybe, and I only say that because we still have other holes to fill with the loss of Bam, Avril, Bennett. So he could work as a stop gap while we rebuild. Tell me this if Sherm was this All Pro you believe him to be, why when healthy last off season and was opened up to trade was he not swooped up by a team knocking on the door for a SB run? No one believes he is anywhere near a lock down CB, and now with injuries his value is even lower. You really need to stop with all this loyalty to these guys and become more a fan of the HAWKS not just a player. None of these jokers give a damn about us as fans or the Team that gave them a shot or coached them up to be the players they are today. All they care about is how much can they make. Look at what is going on with Beckam Jr & L Bell. Beckam really thinks he is worth QB money bwaaahaha yeah ok, & Bell wants 15 mil as a RB, what a joke. I understand taking care of you & your family, but if you played one season for 6 mil if that doesn't take care of you and your family for life, well then you are doing something wrong. These idiots signing 120 mil contracts for simply throwing or catching a football, saying they need to look out for their families, that is just ridiculous, they aren't concerned about us as fans or team.