Seahawks reportedly make huge contract offer to Russell

[ptisme]

First off, the strained calf had nothing to do with the offensive line. He pulled it on the crap field in Tampa with no defender around him. Secondly, if Rodgers came to Seattle you'd have a bunch of guys most people outside of Seattle never heard of, leading the league in receptions and touchdowns....

Can you say >CONJECTURE<, because that's all you're spewing, else why does GB NOT have a bunch of unknowns doing all this receiving and making all those fictitious TD's?

LOL, Name me the receiver that left GB in FA that had any success elsewhere?

 

[LickMyNuts]

First off, the strained calf had nothing to do with the offensive line. He pulled it on the crap field in Tampa with no defender around him. Secondly, if Rodgers came to Seattle you'd have a bunch of guys most people outside of Seattle never heard of, leading the league in receptions and touchdowns....

Can you say >CONJECTURE<, because that's all you're spewing, else why does GB NOT have a bunch of unknowns doing all this receiving and making all those fictitious TD's?

LOL, Name me the receiver that left GB in FA that had any success elsewhere?

Year Team G Rec Yds Avg Yds/G Lng TD 20+ 40+ 1st FUM
2014 Minnesota Vikings 16 59 742 12.6 46.4 38 6 9 0 40 1
2013 Minnesota Vikings 15 68 804 11.8 53.6 70T 4 11 2 36 0

 

[BlueThunder]

I'd like to see Rodger's stats behind our piss-poor O-line... and Russ's stat's behind GB's... Basically switch qb's, and THEN compare stats... Just sayin'....

But what I'd really like to see is Russ and Lynch behind the 2005 O-line... With Mack Strong plowing the road for Marshawn... Wouldn't be fair with our Defense....

 

[ptisme]

First off, the strained calf had nothing to do with the offensive line. He pulled it on the crap field in Tampa with no defender around him. Secondly, if Rodgers came to Seattle you'd have a bunch of guys most people outside of Seattle never heard of, leading the league in receptions and touchdowns....

Can you say >CONJECTURE<, because that's all you're spewing, else why does GB NOT have a bunch of unknowns doing all this receiving and making all those fictitious TD's?

LOL, Name me the receiver that left GB in FA that had any success elsewhere?

Year Team G Rec Yds Avg Yds/G Lng TD 20+ 40+ 1st FUM
2014 Minnesota Vikings 16 59 742 12.6 46.4 38 6 9 0 40 1
2013 Minnesota Vikings 15 68 804 11.8 53.6 70T 4 11 2 36 0

Is that supposed to be Greg Jennings? THe guy who was so disappointing in Minnesota he was cut this spring?

 

[ptisme]

I'd like to see Rodger's stats behind our piss-poor O-line... and Russ's stat's behind GB's... Basically switch qb's, and THEN compare stats... Just sayin'....

But what I'd really like to see is Russ and Lynch behind the 2005 O-line... With Mack Strong plowing the road for Marshawn... Wouldn't be fair with our Defense....

As stated earlier, GB's oline was poor until recently. Look at the stats: Until last year Rodgers was routinely one of the most sacked quarterbacks in the league....

 

[BlueThunder]

I'd like to see Rodger's stats behind our piss-poor O-line... and Russ's stat's behind GB's... Basically switch qb's, and THEN compare stats... Just sayin'....

But what I'd really like to see is Russ and Lynch behind the 2005 O-line... With Mack Strong plowing the road for Marshawn... Wouldn't be fair with our Defense....

As stated earlier, GB's oline was poor until recently. Look at the stats: Until last year Rodgers was routinely one of the most sacked quarterbacks in the league....

And one would assume that Russell would have been sacked far less... Just because of his elusiveness. GB's O-line has been better than ours the past several years. But most teams could make an argument for that because our O-line has been average at best since Hutch and Walter left...

 

[Hawkfan77]

When you compare numbers he is not on the same level as Rogers period.

You're right. Aaron Rodgers isn't nearly as good as Russell Wilson. Not in our system.

Just curious to know what kinda system we have . Great defense run the ball panic run around offense blame everything on WRs kinda system? :1: come on give us Rodgers and see what kinda "system" we have

IMHO he is not even close to Rodgers like light years away

Well he's been in the league for 3 years and Rodgers has been in for quite a bit longer

 

[Hawkfan77]

Wilson's not going anywhere people he's under contract and if he plays well again this year he will be franchised next year if he doesn't sign it's that simple. Is it possible that Wilson and Seattle have a falling out if he doesn't sign before the start of the regular season , yes anything is possible he could get hurt he could have a down year or he could play great and make more money but there's far more risk on Wilson's side that's why the consensus is he will sign .

Our perfect scenario is that he plays out his rookie contract! And with the addition of Jimmy Graham there is zero I mean Nada not an inkling of an excuse that we don't have a wide receiver even though he is a tight end .Drew Brees gets him the ball quite often. And the way he wants to get paid he is saying he is better so I'd like to see that and am willing to roll the dice . Because if he sucks it up we going to get a great discount and he plays awesome he is worth the money. but as it stands right now he's not worth that kind of money to run around the broken plays aka backyard football

Why would he "suck it up"? You may not like him, but he's never been anything but an efficient QB in this league in his 3 years here

 

[Hawkfan77]

Um, I would value passing accuracy, defensive recognition and at line adjustments juuuuuuust SLIGHTLY higher than scrambling skills when it comes to QB attributes. (BTW Rodgers moves pretty well himself)

Lets consider this: Does Wilson need to scramble all of the time if he can read defenses, make adjustments and get rid of the ball on a three step drop like Rodgers can? No. There isnt a coach in football who would rather have their QB running instead of passing. NONE. Our oline may struggle at times, but Wilson also holds the ball a long time. A long, long time,

You are such a broken record...how dare anyone have the opinion Russell Wilson is a good QB in this league... :roll:

This has been the worst off season I can remember. Just sad

 

[Threedee]

Personally, I don't think Wilson is as concerned about the $18-$30 Million range as he is the % guaranteed. I think they should offer him $18-$21 Million with a cushy % and he'll likely take it. I'm not worried about him getting injured, and if he does, we suffer whether it costs us money or not.

 

[Hawkpower]

Um, I would value passing accuracy, defensive recognition and at line adjustments juuuuuuust SLIGHTLY higher than scrambling skills when it comes to QB attributes. (BTW Rodgers moves pretty well himself)

Lets consider this: Does Wilson need to scramble all of the time if he can read defenses, make adjustments and get rid of the ball on a three step drop like Rodgers can? No. There isnt a coach in football who would rather have their QB running instead of passing. NONE. Our oline may struggle at times, but Wilson also holds the ball a long time. A long, long time,

You are such a broken record...how dare anyone have the opinion Russell Wilson is a good QB in this league... :roll:

This has been the worst off season I can remember. Just sad

Yeah. I, for one, happen to think Wilson is fantastic.

If pointing out that things like passing accuracy and reading defense is important......perhaps more important than scramble stats..........if I happen to agree that Rodgers is better than Wilson....well if that makes me less of a fan in your eyes, I guess I will just have to live with being objective.

There are worse things in this world.

 

[BlueTalon]

There isnt a coach in football who would rather have their QB running instead of passing.

This is a pointless statement. You're right, coaches would rather have their QB passing instead of running. Coaches would also rather have their O-line successfully block everybody, and have their receivers catch all passes thrown to them, and have their running backs never fumble, and have their team win every game.

Unfortunately for coaches, they don't always get what they want. And in the times when their plans come apart, I guarantee you they would rather have their QB elude and evade tacklers than get sacked or hit hard. And if their QB can turn the play into positive yards, all the better.

Yeah, it's true that Aaron Rodgers has a skill set that Russell Wilson does not have. But it's also true that Russell Wilson has a skill set that Aaron Rodgers does not have. That Fran Tarkenton-esque jitterbug agility and elusiveness, and his speed, are things that cannot be coached -- and they were things Wilson needed to survive and thrive. Sure, Rodgers might be able to get rid of the ball quicker on a three step drop... but if the receivers aren't open? Behind our line, he gets hit and sacked more than Wilson and/or he throws the ball away more than Wilson, and he doesn't run for anywhere near the yards Wilson did.

 

[scutterhawk]

Everyone knows that Rodgers makes those receivers. There's no Dez Bryant playing for Green Bay. Name one Packer receiver that ever did anything after they left Green Bay?
3. Regarding the hits Rodgers would take if he left Green Bay: You are aware they had one of the worst Olines in the league until recently with regard to pass pro? quote]
So, both Donald Driver and Johrdy (sp.) Nelson were a product of Aaron Rodgers? that just blows my mind, Not everyone is going to buy that line of dookie either :roll.
and to #3.?, No, I'm not aware that the GB Packers HAS a worse O-Line than the Seahawks when it comes to pass protection, because that bit of info that you're trying to sell as the Gospel, isn't true either....Nice try though.

 

[UK_Seahawk]

Can someone better versed in such matters than me explain if it's possible for Wilson to get mucho dinero without completely crippling us with the cap. Does such a middle ground exist?

 

[AVL]

A Rogers is the greatest one legged quarterback of all time. Will he get through this season without injury? It's been a while.

 

[bigskydoc]

Put Rodgers under center here and the O-line pass pro stats would get remarkably better.

-bsd

 

[brimsalabim]

Bull crap! Rogers numbers would be about like they are when Greenbay plays a team that gets in his face as the Hawks do! You guys don't realize how little tallent Wilson has been working with. Heck he is about to get a TE that will be the second player on the offense that would start on most other NFL teams. Lynch and Russell have done what they have done behind an Oline who's most consistent performer is a converted DE. Russell has been throwing to undrafted free agent WRs and back up TE's. You are batty if you actually believe that any QB could have faired better in our offense with the personell we have had.

 

[45Hawker]

Snyder has been fighting the salary cap for years. When he wanted Haynesworth, he just cut and traded to make room, restructured some contracts, and gave Fat Albert the money. He's notorious for it. I'm not surprised you're unaware though.

Nice technique: Don't answer my question and change talking points.

Of course cutting/trading players helps by creating more cap room. But, you didn't mention that in your original quote:

Owners like Dan Snyder would think about ticket sales and merchandising, raising their PSLs by 20%, selling out season tickets for the life of that deal, and they're going to jump at that opportunity. In fact, Snyder would be out there offering Wilson $27m/yr with 80% guaranteed, if the opportunity was there.

Again, given the salary cap, how does doing the above help a team afford/sign any any player? You were indicating that owners like Snyder would make it happen by raising team revenue. I don't think that applies with a salary cap. Please enlighten me, and then pass the bowl...

 

[onanygivensunday]

Can someone better versed in such matters than me explain if it's possible for Wilson to get mucho dinero without completely crippling us with the cap. Does such a middle ground exist?

Not really.

The best case from the team's perspective is to extend his current contract for 4 years and give him a sizable signing bonus that can be spread out over 5 years... that way the annual cap hit is lessened by comparison to waiting until 2016 to sign a 4 year contract.

Waiting until 2016 helps Russell get closer to his (alleged) $25M/year target because of the expected salary cap increase... but there's no way that Seattle can afford that now based on a 4-year extension and also extend Bobby Wagner as well. There's just not enough cap space left this year to do both.

 

[ptisme]

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IMHO he is not even close to Rodgers like light years away[/quote]
Well he's been in the league for 3 years and Rodgers has been in for quite a bit longer[/quote]


Which is exactly why he shouldn't be pushing to be paid like he's been in the league 10 years.... BTW, Rodgers stats first three years as a starter blow Wilson's out of the water.