Seahawks reportedly make huge contract offer to Russell

[onanygivensunday]

Which is exactly why he shouldn't be pushing to be paid like he's been in the league 10 years.... BTW, Rodgers stats first three years as a starter blow Wilson's out of the water.

Let's look at the numbers.

Rodgers.... regular season W-L record was 27-20... one Superbowl appearance... one Lombardi.

Russell Wilson... regular season W-L record was 36-12... two Superbowl appearances... one Lombardi.

The rest of the stats are for FF.

 

[ptisme]

Everyone knows that Rodgers makes those receivers. There's no Dez Bryant playing for Green Bay. Name one Packer receiver that ever did anything after they left Green Bay?
3. Regarding the hits Rodgers would take if he left Green Bay: You are aware they had one of the worst Olines in the league until recently with regard to pass pro? quote]
So, both Donald Driver and Johrdy (sp.) Nelson were a product of Aaron Rodgers? that just blows my mind, Not everyone is going to buy that line of dookie either :roll.
and to #3.?, No, I'm not aware that the GB Packers HAS a worse O-Line than the Seahawks when it comes to pass protection, because that bit of info that you're trying to sell as the Gospel, isn't true either....Nice try though.

Nelson and Driver aren't athletically gifted. But they have good hands and run great routes. You saw how average Nelson looked when Rodgers was out for six weeks... Those guys continually get the ball thrown in the perfect spot. As for the Packer OLINE: I said the Packers had a poor pass protection oline UNTIL RECENTLY.

 

[ptisme]

Put Rodgers under center here and the O-line pass pro stats would get remarkably better.

-bsd

That's exactly right. When Rodgers is under center you can't blitz him because he'll burn you deep: Every time... How many times did Seattle blitz him in January? I don't recall once... When Rodgers was hurt our oline began looking shaky because people we blitzing from all over the place.

 

[Hawkfan77]

IMHO he is not even close to Rodgers like light years away

Well he's been in the league for 3 years and Rodgers has been in for quite a bit longer

Which is exactly why he shouldn't be pushing to be paid like he's been in the league 10 years.... BTW, Rodgers stats first three years as a starter blow Wilson's out of the water.

How do you know he's "pushing to be paid" like that? 20 mil APY is becoming pretty standard with the salary cap as high as it is. Supposedly in the newest article Wilson is asking for the same amount of guaranteed money as Newton, Matt Ryan and Flacco...that's hardly "pushing to be paid like he's been in the league for 10 years". Wilsons first 3 years blows Rodgers first 3 out of the water and Wilson is still asking for less in terms of the percentage of the cap.

Not sure you realize this but the cap is about 25 million more now than it was 3 years ago when Rodgers signed his deal. And guess what? The next couple years the cap is going to go up by a lot. So the obsession for comparing Wilson to Rodgers is pretty useless in terms of comparing dollars. It's about comparing their APY to the percentage of the cap the contract takes up. Tannehill just got an extension of basically 20 million APY, do you think dolphin fans are whining about aaron Rodgers? Maybe hawk fans should look at the contracts more recently given out and realize Russell is a better QB than the Newtons and Tannehills of the NFL.

Comparatively speaking, even if Wilson edges Rodgers slightly in APY his salary is still accounting for less cap space now than Rodgers did when he re-upped

 

[ptisme]

Bull crap! Rogers numbers would be about like they are when Greenbay plays a team that gets in his face as the Hawks do! You guys don't realize how little tallent Wilson has been working with. Heck he is about to get a TE that will be the second player on the offense that would start on most other NFL teams. Lynch and Russell have done what they have done behind an Oline who's most consistent performer is a converted DE. Russell has been throwing to undrafted free agent WRs and back up TE's. You are batty if you actually believe that any QB could have faired better in our offense with the personell we have had.

Except that in the NFCCG Rodgers didn't have any pressure in his face...

 

[ptisme]

Which is exactly why he shouldn't be pushing to be paid like he's been in the league 10 years.... BTW, Rodgers stats first three years as a starter blow Wilson's out of the water.

Let's look at the numbers.

Rodgers.... regular season W-L record was 27-20... one Superbowl appearance... one Lombardi.

Russell Wilson... regular season W-L record was 36-12... two Superbowl appearances... one Lombardi.

The rest of the stats are for FF.

I guess if we don't look at things like QBR, TD's, INT's, Comp % then we can completely discount the rest of the team. Rodgers first three years he had a crappy oline, NO RUNNING BACK and a crap defense with the exception of 2010.

 

[Hawkpower]

There isnt a coach in football who would rather have their QB running instead of passing.

This is a pointless statement. You're right, coaches would rather have their QB passing instead of running. Coaches would also rather have their O-line successfully block everybody, and have their receivers catch all passes thrown to them, and have their running backs never fumble, and have their team win every game.

Unfortunately for coaches, they don't always get what they want. And in the times when their plans come apart, I guarantee you they would rather have their QB elude and evade tacklers than get sacked or hit hard. And if their QB can turn the play into positive yards, all the better.

Yeah, it's true that Aaron Rodgers has a skill set that Russell Wilson does not have. But it's also true that Russell Wilson has a skill set that Aaron Rodgers does not have. That Fran Tarkenton-esque jitterbug agility and elusiveness, and his speed, are things that cannot be coached -- and they were things Wilson needed to survive and thrive. Sure, Rodgers might be able to get rid of the ball quicker on a three step drop... but if the receivers aren't open? Behind our line, he gets hit and sacked more than Wilson and/or he throws the ball away more than Wilson, and he doesn't run for anywhere near the yards Wilson did.

My statement isnt pointless because:

A. The original statement was that Wilson was better than Rodgers because he has better rushing numbers, which is beyond ridiculous.

B. I disagree with your assessment that the passing game problems we have are all attributed to everyone BUT Wilson. There is plenty of tape to show our receivers getting separation while Wilson holds the ball. Other QB's when blitzed find the hot receiver at their backfoot and nobody notices the o-line. Wilson scrambles left, right, dodges eludes, and sometimes hits a miracle play with his athletic gifts. But because of the drama, we all say DARN THAT O-LINE!!!

As fans, because Wilson is our QB and we love him, its a lot easier to blame other reasons for our struggles. And some of them are valid. Our oline does struggle at times. Our receivers certainly arent perfect. But there is PLENTY of evidence to support Wilson playing a significant role in the struggles as well. Which is fine, he's learning. But he is opening himself up to this type of critique by deciding his value lies at the top of the heap.

 

[ptisme]

IMHO he is not even close to Rodgers like light years away

Well he's been in the league for 3 years and Rodgers has been in for quite a bit longer

Which is exactly why he shouldn't be pushing to be paid like he's been in the league 10 years.... BTW, Rodgers stats first three years as a starter blow Wilson's out of the water.

How do you know he's "pushing to be paid" like that? 20 mil APY is becoming pretty standard with the salary cap as high as it is. Supposedly in the newest article Wilson is asking for the same amount of guaranteed money as Newton, Matt Ryan and Flacco...that's hardly "pushing to be paid like he's been in the league for 10 years". Wilsons first 3 years blows Rodgers first 3 out of the water and Wilson is still asking for less in terms of the percentage of the cap.

Not sure you realize this but the cap is about 25 million more now than it was 3 years ago when Rodgers signed his deal. And guess what? The next couple years the cap is going to go up by a lot. So the obsession for comparing Wilson to Rodgers is pretty useless in terms of comparing dollars. It's about comparing their APY to the percentage of the cap the contract takes up. Tannehill just got an extension of basically 20 million APY, do you think dolphin fans are whining about aaron Rodgers? Maybe hawk fans should look at the contracts more recently given out and realize Russell is a better QB than the Newtons and Tannehills of the NFL.

Comparatively speaking, even if Wilson edges Rodgers slightly in APY his salary is still accounting for less cap space now than Rodgers did when he re-upped

You make all great points. The cap is going up and guys are getting paid more... I would suggest though if you think there is an obsession with comparing him to Rodgers, you shouldn't fan the flames by suggesting his first three years he "blows Rodgers out of the water". If you look at both of their first three years as starters it's the opposite and Rodgers wasn't blessed with the talent around him that the Seahawks have given Wilson.

 

[Hawkfan77]

For those obsessed with Rodgers and the apparent blasphemy of Wilson possibly being the highest paid QB in APY quick question: next year when Luck signs for 25 million APY and in 2 years when Rodgers signs for 27+ million APY what does it matter if Russell's APY is 21-22 million?

 

[ptisme]

For those obsessed with Rodgers and the apparent blasphemy of Wilson possibly being the highest paid QB in APY quick question: next year when Luck signs for 25 million APY and in 2 years when Rodgers signs for 27+ million APY what does it matter if Russell's APY is 21-22 million?

I think 21 - 22 million is fair... I've heard reports he wants 25 million....

 

[LickMyNuts]

IMHO he is not even close to Rodgers like light years away

Well he's been in the league for 3 years and Rodgers has been in for quite a bit longer

Which is exactly why he shouldn't be pushing to be paid like he's been in the league 10 years.... BTW, Rodgers stats first three years as a starter blow Wilson's out of the water.

How do you know he's "pushing to be paid" like that? 20 mil APY is becoming pretty standard with the salary cap as high as it is. Supposedly in the newest article Wilson is asking for the same amount of guaranteed money as Newton, Matt Ryan and Flacco...that's hardly "pushing to be paid like he's been in the league for 10 years". Wilsons first 3 years blows Rodgers first 3 out of the water and Wilson is still asking for less in terms of the percentage of the cap.

Not sure you realize this but the cap is about 25 million more now than it was 3 years ago when Rodgers signed his deal. And guess what? The next couple years the cap is going to go up by a lot. So the obsession for comparing Wilson to Rodgers is pretty useless in terms of comparing dollars. It's about comparing their APY to the percentage of the cap the contract takes up. Tannehill just got an extension of basically 20 million APY, do you think dolphin fans are whining about aaron Rodgers? Maybe hawk fans should look at the contracts more recently given out and realize Russell is a better QB than the Newtons and Tannehills of the NFL.

Comparatively speaking, even if Wilson edges Rodgers slightly in APY his salary is still accounting for less cap space now than Rodgers did when he re-upped

The Tannehill deal pays out 6 million in the first year and 11.6 in the second year. After that the Phins can cut him loose with very little dead cap money. If he turns into a great QB they can keep him at 20 million a year through 2020.

This is a good deal for the Phins and Tannehill.

 

[Hawkfan77]

For those obsessed with Rodgers and the apparent blasphemy of Wilson possibly being the highest paid QB in APY quick question: next year when Luck signs for 25 million APY and in 2 years when Rodgers signs for 27+ million APY what does it matter if Russell's APY is 21-22 million?

I think 21 - 22 million is fair... I've heard reports he wants 25 million....

And then reports came out that the supposed deal of 21 million was apparently rejected because the fully guaranteed number was pretty low not because the 21 per wasn't enough.

All I know is that none of us know. So that's why I bring up cap numbers and comparing the salaries when Rodgers signed his to what is being rumored for Wilson to be "wanting". Giving Russell 22 is hardly a declaration that he's the best QB in the league. More timing than anything with how ridiculously high the cap is and is going to be.

 

[ptisme]

For those obsessed with Rodgers and the apparent blasphemy of Wilson possibly being the highest paid QB in APY quick question: next year when Luck signs for 25 million APY and in 2 years when Rodgers signs for 27+ million APY what does it matter if Russell's APY is 21-22 million?

I think 21 - 22 million is fair... I've heard reports he wants 25 million....

And then reports came out that the supposed deal of 21 million was apparently rejected because the fully guaranteed number was pretty low not because the 21 per wasn't enough.

All I know is that none of us know. So that's why I bring up cap numbers and comparing the salaries when Rodgers signed his to what is being rumored for Wilson to be "wanting". Giving Russell 22 is hardly a declaration that he's the best QB in the league. More timing than anything with how ridiculously high the cap is and is going to be.

All fair points....

 

[LickMyNuts]

For those obsessed with Rodgers and the apparent blasphemy of Wilson possibly being the highest paid QB in APY quick question: next year when Luck signs for 25 million APY and in 2 years when Rodgers signs for 27+ million APY what does it matter if Russell's APY is 21-22 million?

I think 21 - 22 million is fair... I've heard reports he wants 25 million....

And then reports came out that the supposed deal of 21 million was apparently rejected because the fully guaranteed number was pretty low not because the 21 per wasn't enough.

All I know is that none of us know. So that's why I bring up cap numbers and comparing the salaries when Rodgers signed his to what is being rumored for Wilson to be "wanting". Giving Russell 22 is hardly a declaration that he's the best QB in the league. More timing than anything with how ridiculously high the cap is and is going to be.

The Roethlisberger deal is a better example. It is a recent contract that pays out a large amount of money in the first three years. His annual contract average is 21.9 million.

I guess we can argue whether Roethlisber is better than Wilson.

The Seahawks don't want to pay RW for the elite QB he might become. They want to pay him for the above average QB he has been.

 

[Chukarhawk]

My sources say a deal is close. So there you have it.

 

[HawkFan72]

My sources say a deal is close. So there you have it.

I hope your sources are legit.

 

[Tech Worlds]

Russell Wilson is a franchise Qb. When you get one of those guys you pay him as such.

Like it or not Wilson will take his place at the top of the qb pay structure. Even if it's just for a little while.

 

[dontbelikethat]

My sources say a deal is close. So there you have it.

Excellent.

 

[TorontoHawk]

My sources say a deal is close. So there you have it.

I hope so, then we can get back to talking about football. I for one can't wait to see RW passing to Graham!!

 

[StoneCold]

For those obsessed with Rodgers and the apparent blasphemy of Wilson possibly being the highest paid QB in APY quick question: next year when Luck signs for 25 million APY and in 2 years when Rodgers signs for 27+ million APY what does it matter if Russell's APY is 21-22 million?

I think 21 - 22 million is fair... I've heard reports he wants 25 million....

And then reports came out that the supposed deal of 21 million was apparently rejected because the fully guaranteed number was pretty low not because the 21 per wasn't enough.

All I know is that none of us know. So that's why I bring up cap numbers and comparing the salaries when Rodgers signed his to what is being rumored for Wilson to be "wanting". Giving Russell 22 is hardly a declaration that he's the best QB in the league. More timing than anything with how ridiculously high the cap is and is going to be.

This is the main point that's worth discussing, not the rumored amounts, but the changes in cap since Rodgers signed his deal. I'll grant that Rodgers is the better QB, but not by much. That said, If you were signing Rodgers today how much would he be offered? How much would he want? Take the number you come up with and pay Wilson a bit less and it will likely still be more than what Rodgers is currently being paid.

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