Russell Wilson meme thread

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Height and processing.

His legs overcame those deficiencies early on. But age and a desire to be more of a pocket passer (less designed runs and runs from rpo's) have hurt him quite a bit.
Yeah, remembering those early years, Russell was devasting when he'd run that read option with Beast. Combined with his scrambling and ability to ad lib, he was tough to defend against.

That read option, which now seems to have gone out of fashion, supported several marginal quarterbacks, most notably Colin Kaepernick and RG3, although the latter's career was cut short due to injury.
 
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As I said, Russ ceiling remains the Jerry Rosberg plan. Rosberg was in charge for Two whole weeks and made that team competitive With the Broncs winning one. Rosberg didn’t do anything fancy. All it took was a no bs approach to the whole team, Russ included.

Rosberg was the one who got Team 3 banned and Russ’ office closed. Had to be humiliating for Russ, but he performed very well in those two games, winning one.
 

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Some great analysis in this thread. Nice contributions.

Putting RW's legacy with the Seahawks aside for a moment, I return to a single thought: Thank God PC/JS pulled the trigger on that trade and got the haul they did for it. I heard it was made literally minutes after it became clear that Rodgers wouldn't be available to the Broncos. They were ready to pounce on it. I shudder to think in retrospect about the all but certain lack of better outcomes than the one we got.

Whew!

When the news broke that Rodgers signed that deal, I instantly thought that Russ's time in Seattle was coming to an end. My thinking was seeing the money Rodgers got, that there was no way Wilson and his agent wouldn't want a similar deal and in my head I wasn't sure I wanted the Hawks to go that high for him. I didn't expect the trade to happen within an hour.
 

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He didn't play the position in a way that would maximize the ability of the entire offense or team.
My own first questioning of RW's stature being an "issue" was when Tyler Lockett first started playing as WR. I can't remember the game but the TV cam (if only RW had that view) was consistently showing Lockett quickly getting separation from his coverage with RW seemingly unaware...the color commentator commented on RW's stature possibly hindering his passing lane views. It also seemed early on that Russell took awhile to develop early timing with Tyler as Lockett having a good lead on his coverage had to slow down often making the catch more contested instead of being hit in stride...of course that timing got better...better timing and feel often referred to as "having chemistry".
 

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When the news broke that Rodgers signed that deal, I instantly thought that Russ's time in Seattle was coming to an end. My thinking was seeing the money Rodgers got, that there was no way Wilson and his agent wouldn't want a similar deal and in my head I wasn't sure I wanted the Hawks to go that high for him. I didn't expect the trade to happen within an hour.
His actual leaving even though many saw with clarity "the writing on the wall"...I felt added to the growing list of "disgruntled" key players...all happy when signing expensive multi-year contracts...until "suddenly" not pleased with the direction of the team (couldn't be seeing other players getting higher contracts??)

"Greedy" agents can also get in the head of their players...since their paid "share" of any renegotiated contract is self serving...it becomes a "new" windfall pay day for the agent...he can always "fix" any PR damage it causes at the expense of the fan...later

Seeking trade leverage with 1 yr left on contracts has become common...but with 2 or more yrs left...it damages the "good faith" between the player and GM who made it happen. Maybe John Schneider "aggressively" seeked a trade to "help" Russell move along...just saying. You guys might hate Drew Lock but I liked a quote he revealed that helps him be content while waiting for opportunity..."Comparison is the destroyer of happiness"
 

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He didn't win the correct way...
I see what you're saying, but what experts are saying is that the way the Seahawks utilized Wilson could work in the regular season but was bound to fail in the playoffs against good defenses that understood his limitations.
 

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I see what you're saying, but what experts are saying is that the way the Seahawks utilized Wilson could work in the regular season but was bound to fail in the playoffs against good defenses that understood his limitations.
Majority of his playoff games he has played great. The Rams game was a stinker, minus that game the past 2 playoff years during the no LOB, Let Russ cook, he had a rating of 106.5. Which would be just under Pat Mahomes(107.4) as #2 all time. We loss the playoff game to GB because we lost all our RB to injuries and had to get Lynch out of retirement. Cowboys game we lost because the coaches wanted to keep running the ball non stop despite only getting 1 or 2yards. With combination of bad trades, bad drafts, & that playoff game against the Cowboys, i lost my faith in Pete Time for new direction. Then in 2020 when he handcuffed Wilson, i was done with him.

2022 though i did get my faith back. It all started w/ the draft. They actually drafted players that made sense for once and not being cute. Not happy with our first pick this season but time will tell.
 

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Majority of his playoff games he has played great.
I don't agree. His stat line with us in the regular season was 65% completion percentage, TD/INT 308/98 (roughly 3-1), passer rating 101.8. In 16 playoff games, his numbers were significantly worse, with a completion percentage of 61%, TD/INT 25/12 (roughly 2-1), and passer rating of 95.3.


While those playoff numbers aren't horribly bad, I wouldn't call them "great", at least not when you compare them to his regular season performance.
 

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Anyone who follows College Football knows that Spoon is the real deal. You'll change your mind when you see him play. He's a true shutdown Corner that plays with an edge.
My own thoughts but I'm thinking Tariq will still "haunt" the right side of the field and Spoon will play across from whoever's better of slot/flanker with M-Jack and Coby rotating in like musical chairs based on whoever Spoon isn't covering...still too early to place a significant bet
 

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Majority of his playoff games he has played great. The Rams game was a stinker, minus that game the past 2 playoff years during the no LOB, Let Russ cook, he had a rating of 106.5. Which would be just under Pat Mahomes(107.4) as #2 all time. We loss the playoff game to GB because we lost all our RB to injuries and had to get Lynch out of retirement. Cowboys game we lost because the coaches wanted to keep running the ball non stop despite only getting 1 or 2yards. With combination of bad trades, bad drafts, & that playoff game against the Cowboys, i lost my faith in Pete Time for new direction. Then in 2020 when he handcuffed Wilson, i was done with him.

2022 though i did get my faith back. It all started w/ the draft. They actually drafted players that made sense for once and not being cute. Not happy with our first pick this season but time will tell.

There's better reasons to hate Pete than the handcuff myth

We were 6-3 when Pete took control. After that? 6-1.

I think the lower the number after the dash, the better.

Russell was entirely solved by thier first tilt against the Rams and has been since.

Handcuffed? Who Handcuffed him in 2021 when he had full control with Shane? No one. He ran the same solved stuff that he did the year before. And for everyone talking about how well the offense played before his injury? It put up points on play action plays. We were near league worst in sustained drives, plays per drive, drive duration, and 2nd half scoring.

In thr latter half of the season, when we 'handcuffed'the offense again by running more, we were more effective. DK when asked what the magic sauce was in beating 2 high safety looks that stalled the offense all season? The running game. Pete rallied the team in 2021 when he took control from Russ the same way he did in 2020. The sense that we were this unstoppable force until Pete took the keys away is mythology and bereft of any football fact.

Almost every game in 2021 when we passed more than we ran, we lost. it wasn't because we were passing to catch up. We passed early and often, because Russ wanted to.

2020, we were 12-4. The let Russ Cook games were against lower echelon defenses, almost all. As soon as we faced someone familiar in AZ, the wheels came off. That game we lost because Russ tossed 2 picks in the endzone and another to ice the game. Buddha Baker - he said they knew that if they could get him rattled he'd get confused and turn over the ball.

The Giants game was an abomination. In the Athletic Article from that offseason, an opposing coach commented that he had no idea what Russ was doing. That he wasn't even playing like a top qb. That was before Pete 'Handcuffed' him.

What was the magic that teams figured out? Play their 3rd down defense on early downs. That ridiculously simple trick, pulled the skirt up on our qb.

Wanna guve him a pass for the Bills game? Ok. But he sure didn't help the cause. 4 turnovers. 2 picks. 2 fumbles. One int in the endzone.

The Rams loss was also just bad play in the midst of a rutt that has now just become his game.

Were the defense great thise years? No. But when Pete took control in 2020, that maligned unit became the only defense in NFL history to make the turn that it did and finish as well in points allowed over the season with the number of yards it surrendered.

A big part of that? Extending drives by not throwing as much and running the overhyped hurryup offense. Remember that? The cure for all of our offensive ills? More mythology.

A defense that struggles to get off the field isn't helped by am offense that can't stay on it. That's why Pete took control. But Russ didn't car what the team did. After the loss against the Titans in week 2 in 2021, after abhorrible series in OT when we were given the ball after the D made a stop to open the stanza, when asked if the offense could have done more to help the D that game by controlling the clock more, he said something to the affect of 'the offense put up enough points'... Pete was doing the right thing. Russ hated him for it.

And QB rating and Russ? Our game against the Commanders in 2021was arguably one of the most baffling performances by Russ. he was missing reads and missing throws all game. He did nothing until the last drive... again.

His rating? 111. He's had similar duds that 'rank' well because he almost always threw for a good completion rate and he was good about taking care of the ball when he played in the system. But rating doesn't speak to sustained drives, 3rd downs, and many other aspects of play that determine the overall effectiveness of the offense.

And by omitting the LOB days you delete a pretty bad performance against the Packers in the NFC CG. Without Lynch and the LOB, we never make a Superbowl. Although in hindsight, maybe had we not had Mathews, Hauschka and Ryan save our chances, we'd not have lost the SB and we woukd have been saved from all of the fallout that followed.
 
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When the news broke that Rodgers signed that deal, I instantly thought that Russ's time in Seattle was coming to an end. My thinking was seeing the money Rodgers got, that there was no way Wilson and his agent wouldn't want a similar deal and in my head I wasn't sure I wanted the Hawks to go that high for him. I didn't expect the trade to happen within an hour.
I didn't realize it went down like that. I am so happy that John Schneider was able to put that deal together. It's pure
Savagery.
 

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I didn't realize it went down like that. I am so happy that John Schneider was able to put that deal together. It's pure
Savagery.

I think Pete is a great coach, but i dont know that if it were left to him, we would have jumped on the trade the way we did. I think he might have eventually pulled the trigger in the offseason, but if you judge his interview with Wyman and Bob when he sounded sincerely like he thought things could still work out with Russ... i dont know.

Thank God John was clear headed enough to just do the deal. Between the two, savagery was definitely the descriptor for John more than Pete. Even in the post trade press conf, John seemed relieved and borderline agitated when discussing the lead up to the trade. He was 200% ready to be beyond the Wilson era. The antics that Pete tolerated didnt sit well with him.

Makes you wonder how different things might have been if he'd had the agency to pull the trigger two or three years prior when he'd explored moving Russ.

But yeah. No way Schneider was going to give up max dollars on a new Russ deal. Looking back, reading the tea leaves and with the knowledge that we had tried to trade Russ to the Browns and that that truth came back to Russ's agent. I can imagine the behind the scenes emotions were boiling on Team 3s end. When conversations were had about Russ's next deal, and when Rogers discussed the trade attempt with SChneider, John's assessment that Russ was no longer a top QB was the fuel that fired Russ's break from the team and Me3 first attitude. Everything became 'I believe in myself', 'I believe I'm great', 'I believe i'm an MVP'... all of it to grab the narrative and express his frustration publicly, albeit, passively. The comments post trade - same deal. Resentment, mischaracterizations.

That pool was toxic. Thank God for John Schneider
 

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Neither Pete nor Russ have retired, we couldn't quite close the book on Pete handcuffed Russ, or Russ could only thrive in Peteball, yet! One thing we could close the book on though, Wilson's let Russ Cook didn't work in Seattle, and didn't work in Denver. One could blame the didn't work in Seattle on Pete, but it also didn't work in Denver where Russ called his HC a partner, he had a whiteboard in his office drawing plays for other players. I think we could close the book after this season, let's see if Geno and company continue to thrive, and Russ could or couldn't be an all-pro when he has his dream HC
 

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Diminished agility,arm,speed and age have cooked him up.
There are the other factors as well but @keasley45 has been on
point with those in here and other threads.
I can't believe Denver was so stupid it's like one of the biggest
one sided trade(s) of all time and that contract he got?Ooof!
 

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I think Pete is a great coach, but i dont know that if it were left to him, we would have jumped on the trade the way we did. I think he might have eventually pulled the trigger in the offseason, but if you judge his interview with Wyman and Bob when he sounded sincerely like he thought things could still work out with Russ... i dont know.

Thank God John was clear headed enough to just do the deal. Between the two, savagery was definitely the descriptor for John more than Pete. Even in the post trade press conf, John seemed relieved and borderline agitated when discussing the lead up to the trade. He was 200% ready to be beyond the Wilson era. The antics that Pete tolerated didnt sit well with him.

Makes you wonder how different things might have been if he'd had the agency to pull the trigger two or three years prior when he'd explored moving Russ.

But yeah. No way Schneider was going to give up max dollars on a new Russ deal. Looking back, reading the tea leaves and with the knowledge that we had tried to trade Russ to the Browns and that that truth came back to Russ's agent. I can imagine the behind the scenes emotions were boiling on Team 3s end. When conversations were had about Russ's next deal, and when Rogers discussed the trade attempt with SChneider, John's assessment that Russ was no longer a top QB was the fuel that fired Russ's break from the team and Me3 first attitude. Everything became 'I believe in myself', 'I believe I'm great', 'I believe i'm an MVP'... all of it to grab the narrative and express his frustration publicly, albeit, passively. The comments post trade - same deal. Resentment, mischaracterizations.

That pool was toxic. Thank God for John Schneider
Without John Schneider and our ownership, we might still have Russell Wilson.
 
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