Rumor: RW asking to be the highest paid player in history

[theincrediblesok]

His age and size make him less valuable than Mariota simply because Mariota still has a higher ceiling.

I think a top 10 1st round pick and a starter or 2 middling first round picks is his value.

If we tagged him and someone singed him and we received two 1st's I would be disappointed but believe that this team could be built to win workout him.

Mariota has proven absolutely nothing.

Yeah because Mariota is already hyped up like Manziel was. Mariota was injured quite a bit in college, now he's going against guys that will want to hit him hard, good luck I say. See if he can withstand those punishments coming his way. If Mariota can't beat the passing TD record set by Peyton/Wilson then I won't give him any credit.

 

[Sac]

Pay the man.

If the Hawks let him walk I will turn big and green and go on a rampage of destruction unlike anything ever seen before. Things will break, and burn, and there will be crying and screaming and a great many additional unpleasant things.

 

[Tical21]

When Lynch is gone will Wilson be as good? Lynch is the backbone of the offence imo. When he goes that is a mammoth hole to fill.

I would expect the offensive focus to change to Wilson. Fact of the matter is it's already starting to.

You don't go get Jimmy Graham and draft a Lockett and expect to still play it insanely close to the vest especially since it seems we're going to pay the man around 20M a year and be happy for the bargain.

Agreed not to mention as I already showed Lynch benefits as much form Wilson as anyone.

And we have disproven this theory several times over for you. When we don't give Lynch enough carries, our defense stays on the field too much, and our offense can't score enough points to keep up. We literally just went over this a week ago.

 

[Hawkfan77]

His age and size make him less valuable than Mariota simply because Mariota still has a higher ceiling.

I think a top 10 1st round pick and a starter or 2 middling first round picks is his value.

If we tagged him and someone singed him and we received two 1st's I would be disappointed but believe that this team could be built to win workout him.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha :34853_doh:

What. A. Post.

Yeah sure, a QB that's been in the league for 3 years, been to 2 SBs, won one and played in a pro-bowl has less value than a spread college QB who has yet to throw in the league yet. Some absolute craziness going on in this thread. Some must either not remember what bad QB is like in Seattle or just weren't fans before

 

[Tical21]

You know what, maybe the Seahawks have the leverage here. They're the best team in the NFL.

"Russell, we love you, we're willing to pay you 5 years, 90 million, with a bunch guaranteed."

"But I want to become the highest paid player in the league."

"Well, we're offering you $17 million per year to be our quarterback. If you want to become the highest paid player in the league, I'm sure Oakland or Buffalo would love to make that happen for you."

I'm guessing at that point, our 17 million looks pretty good.

 

[Rob12]

Saying Mariota is more valuable than RW is the most absurd thing I've ever read here.

 

[Sports Hernia]

Pay the man.

If the Hawks let him walk I will turn big and green and go on a rampage of destruction unlike anything ever seen before. Things will break, and burn, and there will be crying and screaming and a great many additional unpleasant things.

Word!

 

[Hawkfan77]

When Lynch is gone will Wilson be as good? Lynch is the backbone of the offence imo. When he goes that is a mammoth hole to fill.

I think Wilson helps Lynch as much as Lynch helps Wilson. Would Lynch be as good without Wilson? Debatable

 

[Hasselbeck]

His age and size make him less valuable than Mariota simply because Mariota still has a higher ceiling.

I think a top 10 1st round pick and a starter or 2 middling first round picks is his value.

If we tagged him and someone singed him and we received two 1st's I would be disappointed but believe that this team could be built to win workout him.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha :34853_doh:

What. A. Post.

Yeah sure, a QB that's been in the league for 3 years, been to 2 SBs, won one and played in a pro-bowl has less value than a spread college QB who has yet to throw in the league yet. Some absolute craziness going on in this thread. Some must either not remember what bad QB is like in Seattle or just weren't fans before

I remember HawkWOW saying he'd trade Wilson for Mariota straight up :lol: :lol:

 

[Hasselbeck]

So, just for the sake of this speculative, highly opinionated thread - what would RW's trade value be if the Seahawks decided to move on?

I know... It's not happening. I don't want it to happen. But I'm just curious as to what people would guess.

The first thing I'd look at is what the Eagles were reportedly willing to part with for the rights to Marcus Mariota. What I heard/read was Sam Bradford, Fletcher Cox, and two first round picks. I'm not sure how accurate that is because I can't find the link, but I did read that was their final offer.

If that's true, I have to believe that RW is worth something to the effect of three first round picks, a second, and at least one proven player.

Mariota has promise, but is completely unproven in the NFL. Wilson is a proven superstar. So I have to believe that any deal would crush what the Eagles offered.

I'm dumb... I know. I love Russ - favorite Hawk of all time. But I don't control whether or not he inks here long term. I fully believe he will, but I'm honestly just curious what kind of monster trade package we could get for him.

There are only two players in football I trade Wilson for..

One is the starting QB in Green Bay, the other is the starting QB in Indy.

That's it.

There's no draft compensation that can make up for Wilson.

 

[Hawkfan77]

His age and size make him less valuable than Mariota simply because Mariota still has a higher ceiling.

I think a top 10 1st round pick and a starter or 2 middling first round picks is his value.

If we tagged him and someone singed him and we received two 1st's I would be disappointed but believe that this team could be built to win workout him.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha :34853_doh:

What. A. Post.

Yeah sure, a QB that's been in the league for 3 years, been to 2 SBs, won one and played in a pro-bowl has less value than a spread college QB who has yet to throw in the league yet. Some absolute craziness going on in this thread. Some must either not remember what bad QB is like in Seattle or just weren't fans before

I remember HawkWOW saying he'd trade Wilson for Mariota straight up :lol: :lol:

Some days I love .NET more than others. This is one of those days :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :lol: :lol:

 

[hawknation2015]

So, just for the sake of this speculative, highly opinionated thread - what would RW's trade value be if the Seahawks decided to move on?

I know... It's not happening. I don't want it to happen. But I'm just curious as to what people would guess.

The first thing I'd look at is what the Eagles were reportedly willing to part with for the rights to Marcus Mariota. What I heard/read was Sam Bradford, Fletcher Cox, and two first round picks. I'm not sure how accurate that is because I can't find the link, but I did read that was their final offer.

If that's true, I have to believe that RW is worth something to the effect of three first round picks, a second, and at least one proven player.

Mariota has promise, but is completely unproven in the NFL. Wilson is a proven superstar. So I have to believe that any deal would crush what the Eagles offered.

I'm dumb... I know. I love Russ - favorite Hawk of all time. But I don't control whether or not he inks here long term. I fully believe he will, but I'm honestly just curious what kind of monster trade package we could get for him.

There are only two players in football I trade Wilson for..

One is the starting QB in Green Bay, the other is the starting QB in Indy.

That's it.

There's no draft compensation that can make up for Wilson.

I wouldn't even trade him for Luck:

QB rating: 98.6 vs. 86.6
Completion percentage: 63.4% vs. 58.6%
Yards per attempt: 7.9 vs. 7.1
TD percentage: 5.8% vs. 4.7%
INT percentage: 2.1% vs. 2.4%
Overall INTs: 26 vs. 43
Rushing yards per attempt: 6.1 vs. 4.8
4th Quarter comebacks: 10 vs. 9
Game-winning drives: 15 vs. 12

The only measureable advantage Luck has is 11.7 more passing attempts per game, and therefore more yards and TDs, albeit at a lower rate than Wilson.

 

[Tical21]

JSea and Sac, what is your breaking point? If he wants 30 million per year, you pay him? 35? 50? What's the most you would consider paying?

 

[Sac]

JSea and Sac, what is your breaking point? If he wants 30 million per year, you pay him? 35? 50? What's the most you would consider paying?

30 Million is unrealistic. If you want a serious answer, you shouldn't phrase your question in hyperbole. If you want to go that route, I'd pay Russell 100+million and let him make a fool of defenses 11 on 1 as he runs around and throws the ball to himself and ban anyone that disagreed with me.

 

[Tical21]

So, just for the sake of this speculative, highly opinionated thread - what would RW's trade value be if the Seahawks decided to move on?

I know... It's not happening. I don't want it to happen. But I'm just curious as to what people would guess.

The first thing I'd look at is what the Eagles were reportedly willing to part with for the rights to Marcus Mariota. What I heard/read was Sam Bradford, Fletcher Cox, and two first round picks. I'm not sure how accurate that is because I can't find the link, but I did read that was their final offer.

If that's true, I have to believe that RW is worth something to the effect of three first round picks, a second, and at least one proven player.

Mariota has promise, but is completely unproven in the NFL. Wilson is a proven superstar. So I have to believe that any deal would crush what the Eagles offered.

I'm dumb... I know. I love Russ - favorite Hawk of all time. But I don't control whether or not he inks here long term. I fully believe he will, but I'm honestly just curious what kind of monster trade package we could get for him.

There are only two players in football I trade Wilson for..

One is the starting QB in Green Bay, the other is the starting QB in Indy.

That's it.

There's no draft compensation that can make up for Wilson.

I wouldn't even trade him for Luck:

QB rating: 98.6 vs. 86.6
Completion percentage: 63.4% vs. 58.6%
Yards per attempt: 7.9 vs. 7.1
TD percentage: 5.8% vs. 4.7%
INT percentage: 2.1% vs. 2.4%
Overall INTs: 26 vs. 43
Rushing yards per attempt: 6.1 vs. 4.8
4th Quarter comebacks: 10 vs. 9
Game-winning drives: 15 vs. 12

The only measureable advantage Luck has is 11.7 more passing attempts per game, and therefore more yards and TDs, albeit at a lower rate than Wilson.

What about the things you can't measure? Things like having Marshawn Lynch vs. Trent Richardson. Things like being able to rely on the best defense in the league, versus having to put up a ton of points because you have the 22nd ranked defense in the league?
Switch the two. Put Wilson on Indy, do you really think they win any more games than they have with Luck?

Put Luck on the Seahawks. Do we get any worse? Do we possibly win more?

Since their situations are so vastly different, where one is asked to throw as much as any QB in the league, and the other is asked to throw less often than any other QB, numerical comparisons are pretty tough to reach and make.

 

[chris98251]

Start talking to Cleveland, if that doesn't sway the negotiations then nothing will.

 

[Tical21]

JSea and Sac, what is your breaking point? If he wants 30 million per year, you pay him? 35? 50? What's the most you would consider paying?

30 Million is unrealistic. If you want a serious answer, you shouldn't phrase your question in hyperbole. If you want to go that route, I'd pay Russell 100+million and let him make a fool of defenses 11 on 1 as he runs around and throws the ball to himself and ban anyone that disagreed with me.

25? 28?

 

[Sac]

JSea and Sac, what is your breaking point? If he wants 30 million per year, you pay him? 35? 50? What's the most you would consider paying?

30 Million is unrealistic. If you want a serious answer, you shouldn't phrase your question in hyperbole. If you want to go that route, I'd pay Russell 100+million and let him make a fool of defenses 11 on 1 as he runs around and throws the ball to himself and ban anyone that disagreed with me.

25? 28?

Make him the highest paid NOW, whatever that amount is to be. And do it before Andrew Luck gets his new contract. In three years, whatever we're paying RW will be a bargain. And don't forget the salary cap is going to just keep going up substantially over the next few years.

 

[Hasselbeck]

So, just for the sake of this speculative, highly opinionated thread - what would RW's trade value be if the Seahawks decided to move on?

I know... It's not happening. I don't want it to happen. But I'm just curious as to what people would guess.

The first thing I'd look at is what the Eagles were reportedly willing to part with for the rights to Marcus Mariota. What I heard/read was Sam Bradford, Fletcher Cox, and two first round picks. I'm not sure how accurate that is because I can't find the link, but I did read that was their final offer.

If that's true, I have to believe that RW is worth something to the effect of three first round picks, a second, and at least one proven player.

Mariota has promise, but is completely unproven in the NFL. Wilson is a proven superstar. So I have to believe that any deal would crush what the Eagles offered.

I'm dumb... I know. I love Russ - favorite Hawk of all time. But I don't control whether or not he inks here long term. I fully believe he will, but I'm honestly just curious what kind of monster trade package we could get for him.

There are only two players in football I trade Wilson for..

One is the starting QB in Green Bay, the other is the starting QB in Indy.

That's it.

There's no draft compensation that can make up for Wilson.

I wouldn't even trade him for Luck:

QB rating: 98.6 vs. 86.6
Completion percentage: 63.4% vs. 58.6%
Yards per attempt: 7.9 vs. 7.1
TD percentage: 5.8% vs. 4.7%
INT percentage: 2.1% vs. 2.4%
Overall INTs: 26 vs. 43
Rushing yards per attempt: 6.1 vs. 4.8
4th Quarter comebacks: 10 vs. 9
Game-winning drives: 15 vs. 12

The only measureable advantage Luck has is 11.7 more passing attempts per game, and therefore more yards and TDs, albeit at a lower rate than Wilson.

Will not take bait. Will not take bait.

 

[HuskerHawk]

So, just for the sake of this speculative, highly opinionated thread - what would RW's trade value be if the Seahawks decided to move on?

I know... It's not happening. I don't want it to happen. But I'm just curious as to what people would guess.

The first thing I'd look at is what the Eagles were reportedly willing to part with for the rights to Marcus Mariota. What I heard/read was Sam Bradford, Fletcher Cox, and two first round picks. I'm not sure how accurate that is because I can't find the link, but I did read that was their final offer.

If that's true, I have to believe that RW is worth something to the effect of three first round picks, a second, and at least one proven player.

Mariota has promise, but is completely unproven in the NFL. Wilson is a proven superstar. So I have to believe that any deal would crush what the Eagles offered.

I'm dumb... I know. I love Russ - favorite Hawk of all time. But I don't control whether or not he inks here long term. I fully believe he will, but I'm honestly just curious what kind of monster trade package we could get for him.

There are only two players in football I trade Wilson for..

One is the starting QB in Green Bay, the other is the starting QB in Indy.

That's it.

There's no draft compensation that can make up for Wilson.

I wouldn't even trade him for Luck:

QB rating: 98.6 vs. 86.6
Completion percentage: 63.4% vs. 58.6%
Yards per attempt: 7.9 vs. 7.1
TD percentage: 5.8% vs. 4.7%
INT percentage: 2.1% vs. 2.4%
Overall INTs: 26 vs. 43
Rushing yards per attempt: 6.1 vs. 4.8
4th Quarter comebacks: 10 vs. 9
Game-winning drives: 15 vs. 12

The only measureable advantage Luck has is 11.7 more passing attempts per game, and therefore more yards and TDs, albeit at a lower rate than Wilson.

What about the things you can't measure? Things like having Marshawn Lynch vs. Trent Richardson. Things like being able to rely on the best defense in the league, versus having to put up a ton of points because you have the 22nd ranked defense in the league?
Switch the two. Put Wilson on Indy, do you really think they win any more games than they have with Luck?

Put Luck on the Seahawks. Do we get any worse? Do we possibly win more?

Since their situations are so vastly different, where one is asked to throw as much as any QB in the league, and the other is asked to throw less often than any other QB, numerical comparisons are pretty tough to reach and make.

Fair point, but what about having a better receiving corps? What about running an offense that opens things up more in the passing game, vs a very simplistic one? What about playing from way behind 4-5 times a year and accumulating stats, vs ALWAYS playing a close game or with a lead and every play mattering? What about playing in a division that plays serious defense, housing some of the best D's in the league, vs playing in unarguably one of the worst divisions in the league? It goes both ways. Someone pull up Luck's stats vs the NFC West from two years ago. Scary stuff. Don't get me wrong, Luck is fantastically great. Russell Wilson is just as good. They are two transcendent players with the arrow only pointing up. Only difference is RW is a Tom Brady, Michael Jordan, prime Tiger killer. Don't let the christian PC persona blind you to what he really is. The most competitive dude in the league, who wants to gut you and everyone else.