Rumor: RW asking to be the highest paid player in history

[Hasselbeck]

Wilson won't hold out with Matt Flynn lurking in free-agency

 

[Tical21]

Can we just lock this thread as every point being made has been discussed to death at least 47 times the past few months? And then I, I mean we, wouldn't have to continue being sucked back into this circle of fun.

 

[Northwest Seahawk]

Not worried yet but I think there is a chance that this doesn't get done this year. Personally I would not pay him more than 24 million a year. If he won't take that I'd let him test the market it might not be as high as he thinks then franchise him if I had to. My guess is he wants somewhere in the 26 million range, I think they offered him 19 they will meet somewhere in the middle and it will be done, hopefully before camp.

 

[Anthony!]

Wilson won't hold out with Matt Flynn lurking in free-agency

:lol:

good joke, nice one.

 

[Tical21]

I still don't think there is any chance this gets done this year, as we can't get anywhere near being able to afford what he is asking without cutting several good players. I think the Seahawks went into this believing they could get away with paying Wilson his 1.5 this year with a minimal signing bonus, which is what it would have taken to get under this year's cap. Not gonna happen.

Russell is playing next year under his current contract, unless he wants to give us a mega-friendly deal, which he apparently isn't interested in doing. How much money will we have left after rookies are signed, 8 million? Not enough to pay 20 million in salary plus a big prorated signing bonus, not even close, not even if they cut Mebane, McDaniel, & Kam.

Somebody done screwed this up. Even if Russell were to take 16 million per, a modest signing bonus, but needed the contract to start this season, we still couldn't do it. This ain't getting done this year guys. This will be year-long soap opera. Russell in a contract year could be a good thing. Maybe it was part of the plan the whole time. Maybe, though INCREDIBLY unlikely, maybe, they have decided they're not going to give him 100 million, and they're just going to move on and find the next Russell Wilson to groom into their system.

 

[Tical21]

If my numbers are right, the Mannings are the only QB's since 2003 to have won a Super Bowl while being paid in the top-5 of QB salaries in the NFL. All the rest were QB's on lesser contracts, that got paid after winning the big one, and this prevented their franchises from surrounding them with enough talent to win any more.

It's pretty simple, you pay your QB an obscene amount of money, you have just prevented yourself from winning more Super Bowls. Don't fall for the trap John.

Yet if you let him walk to another team, your chances of finding a decent one are really low and you can't win with Derek Anderson. Good to great NFL scarcity doesn't leave teams with much choice.

He is right about winning. However that is one very narrow look at it and he spent time to ensure he had the right narrowed criteria to ensure he was right.

2012 3 of top 5 paid QBs made the playoffs, 2013 3 out of 5, 2014 3 out of 5. So basically 60% of the top 5 paid Qbs make the playoffs. Once you make the playoffs anything can happen. However we also know to even get to the playoffs you need a top QB and that costs money. FYI 2014 half of the teams that made the playoffs had QBs that were amongst the top 10 and 3 of the teams had QBs on rookie deals. Again once your in anything can happen so you can pay a QB top money and still get in the playoffs and have a chance to win. Also of those 6 teams with top 10 paid QBs 5 are perennial playoff teams. So that shows if you have a great QB and you can keep him you can be a perennial playoff team.

Once you make the playoffs anything can happen, but never does. They end up losing to teams with cheaper QB's and better rosters because of it. Year after year. It is that simple.

Do you want to make the playoffs every year and come up short, or do you want to have a chance to win the whole thing?

 

[Tical21]

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[Cyrus12]

screw it...first rd pik for hasselback and sign whitehurst..problem solved.

 

[Hawks46]

I hate to say it, but as of right now, Tical's point is actually pretty valid.

if we don't get Wilson signed sometime this year, it's not looking good to get him signed outside of the franchise tag for next year. Then it's going to really cost us.

Wilson has two things going for him right now:

1. We just went out and grabbed one very good and one elite weapon for him. Lockett is a more athletic Baldwin, and Graham's positives are well noted.

2. By the end of next year, you can bet Indy has Luck signed. So if we tag Wilson, Luck's contract will likely bring Wilson's up even more.

The bigger question would be: what contracts are we shedding next year that we can afford both Wilson and Wagner ? Right now, it's looking like we can't even afford Wilson, and we also need to sign Wagner.

I'm honestly not confident we can find a QB of Wilson's quality in the 2nd round, much less the 3rd round again. Our team is going to be too good for us to be picking very highly even without Wilson, so we're stuck in the bottom third of the draft trying to get a good QB.

 

[Anthony!]

I hate to say it, but as of right now, Tical's point is actually pretty valid.

if we don't get Wilson signed sometime this year, it's not looking good to get him signed outside of the franchise tag for next year. Then it's going to really cost us.

Wilson has two things going for him right now:

1. We just went out and grabbed one very good and one elite weapon for him. Lockett is a more athletic Baldwin, and Graham's positives are well noted.

2. By the end of next year, you can bet Indy has Luck signed. So if we tag Wilson, Luck's contract will likely bring Wilson's up even more.

The bigger question would be: what contracts are we shedding next year that we can afford both Wilson and Wagner ? Right now, it's looking like we can't even afford Wilson, and we also need to sign Wagner.

I'm honestly not confident we can find a QB of Wilson's quality in the 2nd round, much less the 3rd round again. Our team is going to be too good for us to be picking very highly even without Wilson, so we're stuck in the bottom third of the draft trying to get a good QB.

Well the biggest thing to remember right now is we really do not know anything. All these supposed reports are speculation, and worse speculation by people who said we were close to a deal with Wilson months ago. All this is showing is we do not have a clue.

 

[kearly]

Regarding the 2-9 stat, I look at it in terms of points per drive. For Seattle, allowing 24 points would mean allowing something like 2.4 to 3.0 points per drive. Very few QBs on teams built on defense and running the football would win many games with such extremely high points per drive allowed numbers.

I also look at it as a system issue. We don't play to blow people out - we play to milk the clock.

Remember the Miami game 2 years ago? Everyone knew they had suspect corners. All the talk here was about attacking the corners. We didn't until right at the end when we were about to lose the game and then "moved the ball at will".

So when the team isn't playing to win games with more than 25pts then it is awfully hard as a QB to do it......

One of those losses is also a loss where the Offensive Coordinator decided to go empty backfield from the one yard line......

Completely agree.

 

[kearly]

Matt Ryan is pretty damn good . . . certainly better than Newton or Kaepernick.

I don't think Ryan scares defensive coordinators as much as Newton or Kaepernick. I would love to see Newton with Ryan's weapons. Ryan is a good QB though, just kind of lacking in mental toughness and propped up a bit by his weapons. It's fair to say he's better in the sense that we can't remove these QBs from their team situations and his stats are better, I just think he's less feared around the league by defensive coaches than Newton or Kaep.

When Kaepernick is used correctly he can be very effective and almost impossible to stop for non-athletic defenses. If the 49ers can run the ball, and stick with the run, Kaep has it in him to be a 90's passer rating QB with explosive improvisational play. He's not a great quarterback, but he's a great weapon when used right.

 

[irocdave]

There are far too many surprised fans in this thread. The realists have been arguing against a discount for over a year now. It's your own bad expectations that are the problem.

Lol, thinking the same thing. Might have to go back and dig up posts from some people that trashed me last year for questioning the thought process of crowning RW the best ever and deserving of highest paid ever.

 

[aawolf]

Not sure they can afford it, but my gut says five years for 100 million, half guaranteed, will get it done. The Hawks haven't offered that, so maybe Tical is on to something about the finances not being right. If and when they offer this, and if RW turns it down, then you can call him selfish all you want. But, until then, it's not RW's fault that his team doesn't value him like they should.

 

[kearly]

I still don't think there is any chance this gets done this year, as we can't get anywhere near being able to afford what he is asking without cutting several good players.

If Wilson signs a deal with a typical QB structure and rolls it into his final cheap year, his 2015 cap hit would be about $10 million or so due to the way that signing bonuses work. Should be manageable.

Regarding the top five money line of thinking, here are the AYP salaries for every starting QB currently not in the top five who is not on his rookie contract:

Peyton Manning $19,200,000
Colin Kaepernick $19,000,000
Jay Cutler $18,100,000
Tony Romo $18,000,000
Matt Stafford $17,666,667
Alex Smith $17,000,000
Carson Palmer $16,500,000
Eli Manning $16,250,000
Andy Dalton $16,000,000
Philip Rivers $15,300,000
Tom Brady $11,400,000
Brian Hoyer $5,250,000
Matt Cassel $5,250,000
Josh McCown $4,666,667

Most of those QBs have never won a Lombardi, and never will. I personally wouldn't trade Wilson straight up for any of them, even at $22+ million AYP.

Of course, you could always draft Bryce Petty in the 3rd round and hope to get lucky. Very lucky. And even if you did get lucky, he'd only be cheap for four years.

 

[Cyrus12]

When Lynch is gone will Wilson be as good? Lynch is the backbone of the offence imo. When he goes that is a mammoth hole to fill.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

When Lynch is gone will Wilson be as good? Lynch is the backbone of the offence imo. When he goes that is a mammoth hole to fill.

I would expect the offensive focus to change to Wilson. Fact of the matter is it's already starting to.

You don't go get Jimmy Graham and draft a Lockett and expect to still play it insanely close to the vest especially since it seems we're going to pay the man around 20M a year and be happy for the bargain.

 

[Anthony!]

Not sure they can afford it, but my gut says five years for 100 million, half guaranteed, will get it done. The Hawks haven't offered that, so maybe Tical is on to something about the finances not being right. If and when they offer this, and if RW turns it down, then you can call him selfish all you want. But, until then, it's not RW's fault that his team doesn't value him like they should.

totally Agree

 

[Anthony!]

When Lynch is gone will Wilson be as good? Lynch is the backbone of the offence imo. When he goes that is a mammoth hole to fill.

I would expect the offensive focus to change to Wilson. Fact of the matter is it's already starting to.

You don't go get Jimmy Graham and draft a Lockett and expect to still play it insanely close to the vest especially since it seems we're going to pay the man around 20M a year and be happy for the bargain.

Agreed not to mention as I already showed Lynch benefits as much form Wilson as anyone. Add to that all those other top QBs have more offensive weapons around them and a better pass blocking oline. I mean are you really saying if we lost Lynch but our pass blocking improved to say 12th and we got a Dez Bryant type of WR that Wilson would struggle? the answer is NO. The only reason why Lynch is viewed the way he is as it relates to our team is because our team is not built to pass, it is built to run and oh by the way Wilson makes up for 31% of our #1 ranked rushing offense. Guess what happens when you take that away and take away all the other QBs rushing, we drop to middle of the pack. Wilson makes up for a higher % of the total rushing yards than any other QB in the league.

 

[irocdave]

Man this was so predictable. I am shocked by some of the response. Where are all the " greatest eva" best QB in the NFL,"" pay him what eva he wants" crowd? Man, sometimes I swear this site is no better than the toiletzone. Responses on this thread about RW being different than any one of us promote how ignorant our newbie our fan base appears to the national audience.

I trust that JS will get this settled before the season starts, it may cost the Hawks a couple high profile players though. Our best linebacker and Irvin might be the casualty's. Starting left tackle would be another. And Lynch next year, no matter how he performs.

Like I said last year ( and got torn apart by ass hats on this site) is RW worth what he will demand? I still say yes, but at a tremendous cost.