Rumor: RW asking to be the highest paid player in history

[scutterhawk]

Dude if you read I already stated a few who are better or at least have performed better. McCoy being one of them

Hmm, so, why didn't the Seahawks go after McCoy, or one of those other RB's that are Outperforming Marshawn Lynch, and show him the door?, because, we likely could have saved money, gotten more bang for our buck + signed RW? :16:

 

[JimmyG]

Why is the poster who idolizes RW trying his hardest to insist that Lynch isn't the best RB in football?

Does praising Lynch somehow minimize Russell or something?

I'm a Seahawks fan first, and individual player supporter second. The obsession that certain fans show over one player is bizarre.......

Remember, this is the same guy insinuating that things would "get ugly" if Andrew Luck was our quarterback. I wonder if we'd even win three games with Andrew at the helm?

 

[Bigbadhawk]

Dude if you read I already stated a few who are better or at least have performed better. McCoy being one of them

Hmm, so, why didn't the Seahawks go after McCoy, or one of those other RB's that are Outperforming Marshawn Lynch, and show him the door?, because, we likely could have saved money, gotten more bang for our buck + signed RW? :16:

The way I see it is Lynch is the best back in the NFL for the system that the Seahawks use. Just like Mizzou and a few others here I see Lynch as a top 5 perhaps top 3 running back in the league but I do see him as the best back for what we do..

Same goes for Wilson, I think for the system we use he is the best quarterback in the NFL to operate it but it doesn't make him the best quarterback in the NFL. Anyone can feel free to disagree with me but I could really care less right now. July 28th needs to get here quick because this off season is for the dogs...

 

[Anthony!]

Anthony! uses Quadra-post! It's super effective!

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[Anthony!]

Interesting so only 2 times since the salary cap era has a team won an SB without a franchise QB. out of the 4 times a #1 defense won the Sb which is only 20% of the time 3 of them had a franchise QB. HMM seems it is previous obvious we need a franchise Qb and luckily we have one.

I'm beginning to wonder who you're arguing with, and what your point is.

Should we have RW as our franchise QB? Yup!!! We have a greater chance of winning with him than without.

But at "any" cost? Do we have the money to pay him what he's asking? I sure hope so, but if not, then them's the breaks. On to plan B.

And I'm OK with that. I hope you'll be as well should he walk. It may become insufferable here if you cannot accept it. :lol:

Dude I am a Hawks fan first, the fact I think our best chance of winning is with Wilson, the fact I hate they are playing this stupid game with him but cower down to Lynch does not change that. Should he walk no Worries I will still be a Hawks, and also a fan of wherever he goes, unless they play us. I just find it interesting some on here are with regards to Wilson, when I recall most saying we need to keep Sherman, Et and even give into Lynch at all costs.

"give in to Lynch at all costs"

"cower to Lynch"

More Lynch negativity from you. Your constant insistence of valuing inferior running backs over our own guy, your repeated slamming of his contract dealings in regarding to the FO is strange. You have repeated the same thing (they gave in to lynch, why arent they giving in to Wilson??????) multiple times in this thread alone.

Either you don't like the guy (which is your right I guess) or more likely, you are frustrated by those who give some credit to RW's success at the feet of Lynch. How dare they.

or #3 its the truth and it is really how the FO reacted to Lynchs demands. No were did I say Lynch should have or shouldn't have done it. I also make it clear he is at least a top 5 back which makes him very very good. So nice try to spin this, but you cannot. Lynch is what he is one of the best backs in the league who did what he needed to get what he wants. Nothing negative about it. Its the NFL

 

[Anthony!]

If this deal doesn't get done because we thought it was prudent to pay KJ $7M/yr and lowball our QB as a consequence, then I'm really going to start having some questions about what we're doing in the front office.

Obviously, they've had a lot of success. But in my opinion, that has largely been built on player development and less so on pure transactions. Their ability/inability to manage this transition from rag-tag group to a team of superstars will be the true defining point of this F.O.

Agreed. Maybe when it comes right down to it unless your on the defense or the #1 RB they do not want to pay the going rate.

 

[Anthony!]

I'm in agreement with Anthony! about the FO giving in to Lynch. What the problem is that this team is becoming so good, everyone is close to being a superstar, and with that in mind everyone wants top money.

Everyone here is blaming Wilson for not taking a lower offer to stay with the team, but then you have the FO giving one of the biggest contracts to Sherm and ET, signing Kam before was the best deal we did. Yes I understand that those guys are the best at their position, but if they wanted to keep the team together how come they didn't take a lower amount knowing that the rest of the other players will eventually get their big pay day. Money = respect and it's right there in everyone's face. The FO paid top dollars to keep them happy and made sure they showed the respect as they have performed more than their rookie contracts.

Then we signed Avril and Bennett to pretty good contracts and also extended KJ Wright, and a pedestrian contract for Doug. Offered Tate less than he was worth, you can see that the FO is trying to keep the offense on the cheap until Lynch holdout to get more. You can't blame Wilson for seeing that all those guys have gotten a contract and now wants to renegotiate to get a higher amount. So Bennett could ask for a raise after getting a contract but Wilson can't because he's never had a big salary?

Wilson is like the hard working minimum wage guy and working overtime to eventually move up in the company and make that top dollar salary. The problem is the FO wants to get him on the cheap, and undervaluing his potential, so they stay pat at an amount that Wilson, if he leaves the company, could get more somewhere else.

Bennet is the guy that got a huge bonus and raise and decides that after a year that he deserves more after he agreed to take a bit of a cut, but then he hears by the watercooler that Lynch had asked and gotten a raised after two years. So he figures hey if he can get a raise so can I.

Bruce Irvin is the guy that think he's done more than enough to earn almost 8 million just for his 5th year, he's produced and gotten better each year but don't deserve that huge of a deal. He's the type of player that could be replaceable. This is the FO that took a chance on him, but seems loyalty wise he won't be here just for the team but to get that huge contract somewhere else unless the FO can reach a deal.

If those guys are about the team they all should take a discount, but the matter of the fact is our team has way too many superstars and everyone wants to be paid like one. The one constant you should always keep is the QB position, he can play for over 10+ years and is the difference maker even if you have a less talented defense he should be the guy that will get you to the playoffs yearly. Could Wilson be that guy? I believe so. Does the FO believes he can be that guy? It depends on if they can reach an agreement.

Great post and there is little doubt if the defense wen to say 15th and they game Wilson a weapon or 2 like they may have he can make up the difference. We have seen him do it when the defense falters before.

 

[Anthony!]

Dude if you read I already stated a few who are better or at least have performed better. McCoy being one of them

Hmm, so, why didn't the Seahawks go after McCoy, or one of those other RB's that are Outperforming Marshawn Lynch, and show him the door?, because, we likely could have saved money, gotten more bang for our buck + signed RW? :16:

Because Lynch was already under contract .

 

[Anthony!]

Dude if you read I already stated a few who are better or at least have performed better. McCoy being one of them

Hmm, so, why didn't the Seahawks go after McCoy, or one of those other RB's that are Outperforming Marshawn Lynch, and show him the door?, because, we likely could have saved money, gotten more bang for our buck + signed RW? :16:

The way I see it is Lynch is the best back in the NFL for the system that the Seahawks use. Just like Mizzou and a few others here I see Lynch as a top 5 perhaps top 3 running back in the league but I do see him as the best back for what we do..

Same goes for Wilson, I think for the system we use he is the best quarterback in the NFL to operate it but it doesn't make him the best quarterback in the NFL. Anyone can feel free to disagree with me but I could really care less right now. July 28th needs to get here quick because this off season is for the dogs...

As it relates to Lynch I can agree for what we do he is the best back.

 

[Anthony!]

Why is the poster who idolizes RW trying his hardest to insist that Lynch isn't the best RB in football?

Does praising Lynch somehow minimize Russell or something?

I'm a Seahawks fan first, and individual player supporter second. The obsession that certain fans show over one player is bizarre.......

Remember, this is the same guy insinuating that things would "get ugly" if Andrew Luck was our quarterback. I wonder if we'd even win three games with Andrew at the helm?

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[ptisme]

When Aaron Rodgers first signed his big contract with the Packers I was upset because I thought the big contract would hamstring us with regard to putting a team around him. However there were some things with him I wasn't taking into consideration:
1. Rodgers makes average receivers look all world. We don't have to draft receivers and running backs in the first round. We find guys in the middle rounds who are smart and run good routes. Rodgers puts the ball right where it needs to be for them. Don't believe me? Name the last receiver that left GB in FA that ever did anything on another team. James Jones just got cut by the Raiders and Greg Jennings by the Vikings.

2. Receivers see how good they have it here (and what happened to guys that left) and they will usually give a hometown discount. Some of our offensive linemen have signed for a bit less two. That couple million dollars a year takes the edge off the extra you're paying Rodgers.

3. Rodgers elevates the game of everyone around him including the defense.

So my question is, is Russel Wilson along the lines of guys like Brady, Manning and Rodgers. To be quite honest with you, as a Packers fan, when I think of the greatness of the Seattle Seahawks, I think of that great defense first and maybe Lynch second with Wilson. The defense that keeps you in the game long enough for Wilson to make a play to win it. Don't get me wrong, Wilson is a fine quarterback but.... If I'm a Seattle fan, I'm keeping that defense together and grooming another, more affordable quarterback. I don't think Wilson can carry your team if you start losing great defensive players after next year.

 

[ptisme]

Here's another way to look at it: Seattle's defense is so good, it's one of the few teams in the league that has kept the Packer offense relatively in check (all those FG's in the RZ in the NFCCG).

You start losing defensive players, is Russel Wilson good enough to match touchdowns with Rodgers?

 

[RolandDeschain]

You start losing defensive players, is Russel Wilson good enough to match touchdowns with Rodgers?

I want to see more games where we let Russell just sling away, in all seriousness. There have been a couple where he's been allowed to do it at the tail end of games...Go watch the 4th quarter and overtime of Sea @ Chi from 2012. Watch it, and tell us what you honestly think.

 

[kearly]

Don't get me wrong, Wilson is a fine quarterback but.... If I'm a Seattle fan, I'm keeping that defense together and grooming another, more affordable quarterback. I don't think Wilson can carry your team if you start losing great defensive players after next year.

Seattle is defense first. But it's not like Seattle has had to let their superstars on defense walk. Some of the 2nd and 3rd tier guys sure, though even they could have been kept if Seattle was a little wiser with their money in other areas (Flynn, Wright, Rice, Miller, Harvin, Clipboard Jesus, etc).

Seattle had a top 10 defense and Marshawn Lynch kicking ass in 2011 and went 7-9. Being a team that wants to win with running the football, making big plays, avoiding turnovers, and shining brightest in the 4th quarter, Wilson is like a human genome project at QB who excels in all the exact areas Pete Carroll needs. Seattle would never get another Russell Wilson if they let him go, much less on the cheap. His value to the team, in terms of wins, far exceeds 17% of his team's cap number.

 

[Anthony!]

When Aaron Rodgers first signed his big contract with the Packers I was upset because I thought the big contract would hamstring us with regard to putting a team around him. However there were some things with him I wasn't taking into consideration:
1. Rodgers makes average receivers look all world. We don't have to draft receivers and running backs in the first round. We find guys in the middle rounds who are smart and run good routes. Rodgers puts the ball right where it needs to be for them. Don't believe me? Name the last receiver that left GB in FA that ever did anything on another team. James Jones just got cut by the Raiders and Greg Jennings by the Vikings.

2. Receivers see how good they have it here (and what happened to guys that left) and they will usually give a hometown discount. Some of our offensive linemen have signed for a bit less two. That couple million dollars a year takes the edge off the extra you're paying Rodgers.

3. Rodgers elevates the game of everyone around him including the defense.

So my question is, is Russel Wilson along the lines of guys like Brady, Manning and Rodgers. To be quite honest with you, as a Packers fan, when I think of the greatness of the Seattle Seahawks, I think of that great defense first and maybe Lynch second with Wilson. The defense that keeps you in the game long enough for Wilson to make a play to win it. Don't get me wrong, Wilson is a fine quarterback but.... If I'm a Seattle fan, I'm keeping that defense together and grooming another, more affordable quarterback. I don't think Wilson can carry your team if you start losing great defensive players after next year.

Hmm lets see most 4th qtr/ot comeback game winning drives ove r3 years. no true #1 wr, oline ranked bottom 1`0 in pass blocking. I guess that answers the question of doe she make others better, and what not. As to carry the team you mean like when our great defense fails? yeah he has already so that checks that. Spoken like a fan who wants us to let him go so our team is not as string and maybe GB can get by us.

 

[Anthony!]

Here's another way to look at it: Seattle's defense is so good, it's one of the few teams in the league that has kept the Packer offense relatively in check (all those FG's in the RZ in the NFCCG).

You start losing defensive players, is Russel Wilson good enough to match touchdowns with Rodgers?

YEs if he has the same weapons, and play calling.

 

[Anthony!]

Don't get me wrong, Wilson is a fine quarterback but.... If I'm a Seattle fan, I'm keeping that defense together and grooming another, more affordable quarterback. I don't think Wilson can carry your team if you start losing great defensive players after next year.

Seattle is defense first. But it's not like Seattle has had to let their superstars on defense walk. Some of the 2nd and 3rd tier guys sure, though even they could have been kept if Seattle was a little wiser with their money in other areas (Flynn, Wright, Rice, Miller, Harvin, Clipboard Jesus, etc).

Seattle had a top 10 defense and Marshawn Lynch kicking ass in 2011 and went 7-9. Being a team that wants to win with running the football, making big plays, avoiding turnovers, and shining brightest in the 4th quarter, Wilson is like a human genome project at QB who excels in all the exact areas Pete Carroll needs. Seattle would never get another Russell Wilson if they let him go, much less on the cheap. His value to the team, in terms of wins, far exceeds 17% of his team's cap number.

And the truth will set you free. Great post

 

[kearly]

All this drama people are trying to inject into the negotiations is just awful. It's like having a website full of Mike Florios, and it sucks.

Truth.

We have a lot of 710 ESPN listeners here, and radio guys will do anything to fill air time in May when the Mariners are losing. Mike Salk has been insufferable on this issue, and he's hardly alone. Florio plays a part too. I completely blame the media for this. The media has a tremendous ability to make people either dumber or smarter. And it's usually the former.

 

[Northwest Seahawk]

Don't get me wrong, Wilson is a fine quarterback but.... If I'm a Seattle fan, I'm keeping that defense together and grooming another, more affordable quarterback. I don't think Wilson can carry your team if you start losing great defensive players after next year.

Seattle is defense first. But it's not like Seattle has had to let their superstars on defense walk. Some of the 2nd and 3rd tier guys sure, though even they could have been kept if Seattle was a little wiser with their money in other areas (Flynn, Wright, Rice, Miller, Harvin, Clipboard Jesus, etc).

Seattle had a top 10 defense and Marshawn Lynch kicking ass in 2011 and went 7-9. Being a team that wants to win with running the football, making big plays, avoiding turnovers, and shining brightest in the 4th quarter, Wilson is like a human genome project at QB who excels in all the exact areas Pete Carroll needs. Seattle would never get another Russell Wilson if they let him go, much less on the cheap. His value to the team, in terms of wins, far exceeds 17% of his team's cap number.

I just can't let that go you can't compare 2011 and 2012 . Sherman wasn't even starting yet . That argument just has so many variables that you didn't take into account it's a lazy argument at best. So many things got better in 2012 vs 2011 sure Wilson had a lot to do with that but Lynch has been the most consistent offensive player weve had for the last 4 years and Wilson wouldn't have all those wins on his resume without without Lynch and that defense.
Fortunatly the Seahawks FO is doing exactly what they should do . Make sure they don't overpay for Wilson. He will get somewhere in the 20 to 22 million range when all is said and done and that's exactly what he's worth right now. If they don't get a deal done and he puts his best season on film he will get a lot more . We'll just have to see if he's willing to roll the dice on that or take a reasonable contract now.

 

[Shadowhawk]

All this drama people are trying to inject into the negotiations is just awful. It's like having a website full of Mike Florios, and it sucks.

Truth.

We have a lot of 710 ESPN listeners here, and radio guys will do anything to fill air time in May when the Mariners are losing. Mike Salk has been insufferable on this issue, and he's hardly alone. Florio plays a part too. I completely blame the media for this. The media has a tremendous ability to make people either dumber or smarter. And it's usually the former.

Amen to that. I listen to the podcasts so I can skip over any Wilson discussion on 710. I had to stop going to PFT because every time I read an article by Mike Florio my blood pressure would go up (I couldn't stand Florio to begin with, but he's managed to get even worse.) All the constant media attention does is blow everything out of proportion.