Reed suspended 6 games....

[jammerhawk]

Unless the the team adds some talent or the young guys take a big step forward in terms of development and quality of play the team is truly up against it with the DLine.

 

[McGruff]

How hard is it to not beat women?

Not hard when your amygdala is damaged.

Football players (especially those in physical positions), and boxers are more likely to be violent/domestic abusers. Hasn't anyone noticed that, compared to say basketball or baseball players?

There's a reason for that. It's psychological, it has more to do with brain damage over time than anyone is willing to admit. Society just isn't ready to have that conversation because it's seen as an "excuse" for abuse. But it's actually just factual

IIRC, DV incidents among NFL players is significantly lower than national averages.

 

[Sarlacc83]

How hard is it to not beat women?

Not hard when your amygdala is damaged.

Football players (especially those in physical positions), and boxers are more likely to be violent/domestic abusers. Hasn't anyone noticed that, compared to say basketball or baseball players?

There's a reason for that. It's psychological, it has more to do with brain damage over time than anyone is willing to admit. Society just isn't ready to have that conversation because it's seen as an "excuse" for abuse. But it's actually just factual

The Seattle Times makes it sound more like an alcohol related incident. I'm a big fan of beer & whiskies, but I limit my consumption because of all the bad things that can happen when I drink too much. Unfortunately, these guys get paid big and they start to party immediately (and its hard to blame them, for the most part), at which point they get into immense trouble. If Reed hadn't hit the sauce, it's likely this never would have happened, IMO.

 

[McGruff]

Some more of that classic dotnet subtle racism going on in this thread. Love it guys, keep it up.

Noticed that too.

And "the liquor made me do it" excuse.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Racism? Do tell

 

[Sarlacc83]

Some more of that classic dotnet subtle racism going on in this thread. Love it guys, keep it up.

Noticed that too.

And "the liquor made me do it" excuse.

Not sure if that's directed at me, but I'm not excusing the behavior -- just seeking to explain it. Alcohol's effects on decision making and recklessness are well documented. Reed's still at fault for putting himself in his position (and I think he realizes that).

 

[McGruff]

Alcohol pulls back the curtain to reveal what is really in a person's heart, both for good and for evil.

 

[lukerguy]

Live and learn, Jarran. We all make mistakes, just don't make the same mistake twice.

 

[Sarlacc83]

Alcohol pulls back the curtain to reveal what is really in a person's heart, both for good and for evil.

I both agree and disagree. At lower levels, sure -- it strips inhibitions. At higher levels, it physically changes brain chemistry -- especially if you get to "level 3" when alcohol affects the amygdala which in turn effectively turns off social brain functions.

 

[TwistedHusky]

Maybe.

But it doesn't sound like he did anything that terrible.

Based on the story, it sounds like had someone in his house causing a disturbance ('got into a fight').

Pulled her into the bedroom, told her to leave, and then started dragging her out of his house.

Assault? Sure. Justified? Not according to the law but not egregiously terrible either. Guys that go after women and prevent them from leaving? Or show up where they are to try to assault/intimidate them? Sure, throw the book at them. But a guy trying to remove someone unwanted from his own home? Not even close to the same level of wrong.

It was not DV, she did not live there.

Maybe the grabbing her by the throat was bad, but was it *really* grabbing her by the throat? Or was it him just grabbing her by the top of the shoulder to pull her close and she embellished?

Now she is locking herself in a bathroom, his bathroom, so he tries to break the door down. Fair enough. That could be menacing. But again, not egregious enough for the average fan to need to care.

He handled it poorly. But there isn't enough there for me to be bothered about his playing on the team after 6 games. And what he did was not even close to something that should get a 6 game suspension.

Regardless...

What guys need to learn is that your stuff is not worth it. Lock your things. Buy cameras to record what people do when you are gone. And when there is conflict, vacate. Because you have more to lose than she does. And the law is going to take her word over yours. If she breaks or steals things after you go? The cameras will catch it. But get out or have someone else assault her for you (like McCoy probably did in Buffalo). Either way, never ever personally physically engage a woman in conflict, even in your own house. It rarely ends well.

 

[Seymour]

Surprised to see yall throwing him under the bus like this with no charge, and no arrest

How many have done that.

Seymour.

He seems to be the only one.

I happen to assume that a commissioner employed by 32 billionaire owners that spent 2 years investigating the Reed case actually has some REAL evidence that abuse took place. Surely I'll take his word over some butthurt Hawk fans thinking Goodell just hates the Seahawks. :roll:

I'm not throwing anyone under the bus I'm using simple logic and likelihood, and I don't believe the conspiracy paranoia either. Explain Brady, Elliot, being taken down if this is all conspiracy "hate Hawks" garbage.

 

[Seymour]

Alcohol pulls back the curtain to reveal what is really in a person's heart, both for good and for evil.

That is such a load of bullshit!! It changes certain personalities and especially those that have not had it in their culture for long periods of time. It is also a drug, and drugs do change people for absolute certain. To just say it uncovers the real you is so damn stupid it is sad someone would even believe that. ukeface:

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I don't see it as a he hates the Hawks thing. I see it as VERY inconsistent, they are claiming that there is a policy in place. Hill not being suspended, when there is plenty of audio proof is really pretty weak. They claim that they can suspend guys even if they are not charged or arrested if they break some personal conduct crap. How in the world is Tyreek NOT suspended. He flat out said that b should watch out for me, basically. The kid said "daddy broke my arm"
But somehow, this all gets dropped? It just seems like selective punishment. If Hill wasn't a huge star that plays with the MVP, no way he avoids a suspension. And for the record, I'm not saying that Reed is not guilty OR guilty. IF this is true, then he deserves to be suspended. But the flat out blatant refusal to suspend Hill is sketchy.
The same Hill who was accused of choking his pregnant girlfriend and punching her in the stomach. He has a history of this stuff, but hey....he's a star so...…...no biggie, right GODdell?

 

[Seymour]

I will agree that it "looks" inconsistent for certain....but only to "us".

By looks you have to consider we have a fraction of the evidence that Goodell and his resources have dug up (on all the cases I'm talking about now) I will again defer to the employment of the 32 billionaires that they did not just hire a racist, idiot, throw a dart and decide commissioner even if it appears that way with my limited information.

 

[Chapow]

Surprised to see yall throwing him under the bus like this with no charge, and no arrest

How many have done that.

Seymour.

He seems to be the only one.

I happen to assume that a commissioner employed by 32 billionaire owners that spent 2 years investigating the Reed case actually has some REAL evidence that abuse took place. Surely I'll take his word over some butthurt Hawk fans thinking Goodell just hates the Seahawks. :roll:

I'm not throwing anyone under the bus I'm using simple logic and likelihood, and I don't believe the conspiracy paranoia either. Explain Brady, Elliot, being taken down if this is all conspiracy "hate Hawks" garbage.

All we knew was that he was suspended for 6 games for violating the personal conduct policy in connection to an incident from over 2 years ago in which he was neither arrested or charged. You'll have to excuse me for needing more information, actually any information at all, as to what actually happened that night before condemning the guy.

I do find it pretty bizarre that apparently the reasonable take in these types of situations is, the NFL handed down a suspension therefore he must be a low IQ thug that beats women and is obviously guilty, and apparently the unreasonable take is, I'll need more information before I come to the conclusion that he's a low IQ thug that beats women.

 

[Seymour]

Please dont quote me and throw "low IQ thug" out there like I said that. I don't need that racist crap thrown at me by the skimmers. I never said or implied that. My side is I trust the commissioner is reasonably competent with 2 years of investigation. At least more so than many here are giving him credit for.

 

[Chapow]

Please dont quote me and throw "low IQ thug" out there like I said that. I don't need that racist crap thrown at me by the skimmers. I never said or implied that. My side is I trust the commissioner is reasonably competent with 2 years of investigation. At least more so than many here are giving him credit for.

That's totally fair and I apologize for associating you with something that you didn't say.

Take out the "low IQ thug" part and my point still stands though.

I do find it pretty bizarre that apparently the reasonable take in these types of situations is, the NFL handed down a suspension therefore he must beat women and is obviously guilty, and apparently the unreasonable take is, I'll need more information before I come to the conclusion that he beats women and is guilty.

 

[xray]

Alcohol pulls back the curtain to reveal what is really in a person's heart, both for good and for evil.

That is such a load of bullshit!! It changes certain personalities and especially those that have not had it in their culture for long periods of time. It is also a drug, and drugs do change people for absolute certain. To just say it uncovers the real you is so damn stupid it is sad someone would even believe that. ukeface:

Agreed. IMO money and fame reveal the real person ; not drugs and alcohol.

 

[McGruff]

I see your points for extreme outliers of personality, bit still would argue that for the vast majority of people in the vast majority of situations, the anti-inhinitory nature of alcohol doesnt alter personality but reveal it.

 

[xray]

Well folks...we were in desperate need of a new topic that everyone had an opinion on ; and we got one . Too bad it was a negative one for the Hawks. Thanks Reed !