Maulbert
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You're allowed to. Go and make your own.
Rank Geno Smith
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Are you asking about his last 2 games, or how I expect him to perform this season? I said 10-15 but could've put 5-10 as I think he'll end up about the 10th best QB +- for his overall season performance.
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Somewhere between 12 -15
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40+ TDs combined passing and rushing in each of the last 4 seasons though (15 rushing TDs last year!! That's more than Marshawn had in any single season!), even if he does avg around 1 turnover for every 2 TDs he scores enough to make up for it. And his postseason stats are up there too so it's not just regular season fluff, 21 TDs to 4 Ints and 2 fumbles lost in 10 games.
Like I said in my own post he has enough inconsistencies that holds him out of the Mahomes certified-best-in-the-league tier. But you would take him over pretty much anyone except Mahomes really.
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Josh Allen is one of the top QB's in the NFL at pulling absolute BS out of nowhere. Like Wilson, he is extremely accurate throwing from really weird angles on the run. He is one of those guys that can throw it accurately 60 yards down the field while defenders are draped on his back, off his back foot. Allen is also a competent pocket passer with solid pocket presence.
He's also fairly accurate too, which is something I never thought I'd say about Allen. When he came into the league he was wildly inaccurate, and had horrific footwork. He was a raw athlete from a small school. The fact that he became one of the top passers in the NFL when he was as raw as he was blows my mind.
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Les would be proud of this groaner! Haha
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So, this poll proves the point I've been trying to make. I may have had ulterior motives when posting it.
Geno Smith isn't really doing anything different. People just feel better about the team, and that optimism is carrying over to Geno Smith.
He has played 2 games this season. He's been tossing the ball at the same highly efficient level while being besieged by pressure. It looks very, very similar to what we've seen already and it's everything that I've been praising him for since his 2023 season.
@AROS put out this same poll in June of this year. The responses are SIGNIFICANTLY skewed higher now, in a way that a 2 game sample simply shouldn't be able to do.
June responses:
Responses now:
He's been doing it the whole time. People are just actually receptive to hearing it now.
I make points frequently about human nature and the way it colors our perspectives on the game. No one should be expected to have the free time or the expertise required to go get all-22 and grind it for every player. It just isn't feasible.
Most of our perception and worldview as human beings is based on pattern recognition. The information available for us to take in is infinite. We can reliably skip most of that analysis by taking key points of what we do perceive and understand and fitting it into any number of schemata that we've already formed. This is essential to the human experience and a key aspect in the development of the adult mind.
For a person who does not grind the shit out of tape on Geno, they'd see:
-Paltry statline for accessible volume numbers
-Limited overall team success
-Previous record as a presumed draft bust
Then, they'd take the "outlook modifier" of "General pessimism about Seahawks outlook" that was common last year, and they'd arrive at the conclusion most did of "Geno is alright but has a low ceiling and we cannot do better than middling with him."
We all do the same thing with players we aren't experts on. Hell, I said Connor Williams did pretty good at some point because I didn't notice him doing poorly live last week. His reputation as a good center biased me toward that viewpoint. Turns out he sucked ass (most of it is fixable, he's new and I don't think he's 100% health wise yet). But that's an example of how existing bias and basic pattern recognition can lead to reasonable assumptions that simply turn out to be... wrong.
I bring this up to illustrate that... this game is a hell of a complicated one. There is very little anyone can say for certain until they go in, watch every snap, watch a specific player on said snap, and do so closely until they have a real idea of what happened.
So... probably stray away from strong declarations on any player unless you've earnestly grinded that tape and scoured those stats, advanced and box score alike. There's just too much gray area in football to rely on the usual pattern recognition to arrive at an accurate conclusion.
Geno Smith isn't really doing anything different. People just feel better about the team, and that optimism is carrying over to Geno Smith.
He has played 2 games this season. He's been tossing the ball at the same highly efficient level while being besieged by pressure. It looks very, very similar to what we've seen already and it's everything that I've been praising him for since his 2023 season.
@AROS put out this same poll in June of this year. The responses are SIGNIFICANTLY skewed higher now, in a way that a 2 game sample simply shouldn't be able to do.
June responses:
Responses now:
He's been doing it the whole time. People are just actually receptive to hearing it now.
I make points frequently about human nature and the way it colors our perspectives on the game. No one should be expected to have the free time or the expertise required to go get all-22 and grind it for every player. It just isn't feasible.
Most of our perception and worldview as human beings is based on pattern recognition. The information available for us to take in is infinite. We can reliably skip most of that analysis by taking key points of what we do perceive and understand and fitting it into any number of schemata that we've already formed. This is essential to the human experience and a key aspect in the development of the adult mind.
For a person who does not grind the shit out of tape on Geno, they'd see:
-Paltry statline for accessible volume numbers
-Limited overall team success
-Previous record as a presumed draft bust
Then, they'd take the "outlook modifier" of "General pessimism about Seahawks outlook" that was common last year, and they'd arrive at the conclusion most did of "Geno is alright but has a low ceiling and we cannot do better than middling with him."
We all do the same thing with players we aren't experts on. Hell, I said Connor Williams did pretty good at some point because I didn't notice him doing poorly live last week. His reputation as a good center biased me toward that viewpoint. Turns out he sucked ass (most of it is fixable, he's new and I don't think he's 100% health wise yet). But that's an example of how existing bias and basic pattern recognition can lead to reasonable assumptions that simply turn out to be... wrong.
I bring this up to illustrate that... this game is a hell of a complicated one. There is very little anyone can say for certain until they go in, watch every snap, watch a specific player on said snap, and do so closely until they have a real idea of what happened.
So... probably stray away from strong declarations on any player unless you've earnestly grinded that tape and scoured those stats, advanced and box score alike. There's just too much gray area in football to rely on the usual pattern recognition to arrive at an accurate conclusion.
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I think he’s top 5 this year. I think he’s top 12 over last 3 yrs.
But it’s a down year for several guys I’d usually rank higher: Burrow, Cousins, Herbert, Stafford, Prescott, Tua, Jackson
Only guys playing better are Allen, Darnold. Rodgers and Mahomes are about equal right now.
But of course things could change.
But it’s a down year for several guys I’d usually rank higher: Burrow, Cousins, Herbert, Stafford, Prescott, Tua, Jackson
Only guys playing better are Allen, Darnold. Rodgers and Mahomes are about equal right now.
But of course things could change.
