Geno: 18th Ranked QB?

[JayhawkMike]

We get it. Nobody but Geno had so much going against them and that he should be the second coming of Joe Montana with the suppossed improvements.

What happens a year or two down the line when these improvements still equate to zero post season wins?

I get that there are a lot of Homer takes here but that Russell Wilson sycophan that moved on would be embarrassed at some of these.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Meh. Dude is long gone. Hopefully Geno steps up his game this year.

 

[chris98251]

It will be rough out of the gate I am sure, timing and recognition of assignments against a real defense getting after it. But with Pete we typically was hit and miss also the first 8 games of the season, not expecting Air Coryell or any of that soon. But given the system if it transitions well is QB friendly we just need the line to come together fast and our RB's to show then can hit holes to allow play action to flourish and set the stage for us being unpredictable for the first time in a decade or so.

 

[JayhawkMike]

It will be rough out of the gate I am sure, timing and recognition of assignments against a real defense getting after it. But with Pete we typically was hit and miss also the first 8 games of the season, not expecting Air Coryell or any of that soon. But given the system if it transitions well is QB friendly we just need the line to come together fast and our RB's to show then can hit holes to allow play action to flourish and set the stage for us being unpredictable for the first time in a decade or so.

And I will be giving Macdonald a free pass this year so long as he is developing the team for the future. That doesnt mean I won’t second guess some decisions during a game and complain. I will only really bitch and moan if he goes vet heavy not developing our talent and we end up not making any ground this year.

But either way whether Macdonald succeeds or fails long term I will not blame JS for the Macdonald hire as it was about the best decision they could make at the time. There are plenty of other things to evaluates JS on.

 

[Ruminator]

New season. New coach. New OC. New expectations. Geno back to full health + appears more determined than ever mentally and physically. Howell better than Lock to moviate Geno to be locked-on. All the above could well lead to very nice results. Let's just see what happens this year.

 

[toffee]

It's all speculations, media experts, or we the 12s. Ultimately, it's up to Geno, how much he has left in his tank, how much he wants it, and how much he can lift the guys around him to play at a higher level. One thing in Geno's corner is that he has been pretty persistent, he worked hard to stay in the league and keep himself ready for that opportunity, that's not easy as everyone wrote you off. He also didn't slack off once he got that big contract.

Can he play at the top 10 level for '24? Three things all have to line up: OL, and coaching need to step up, and Geno's body mustn't loose that step.

 

[Double Tribble]

Sounds about right to me. Some days he plays like #10, some days like #25. 18th sounds about right give or take a few spots.

 

[SeaWolv]

Looks like the majority thinks 10-15 is accurate which I agree. He has the potential to be Top 10 for sure, but his mean average right now would fall into the 10-15, IMO.

#12 seems about right to me.

 

[NoGain]

For what it's worth, in Chris Simms QB rankings he has Geno at #19.

 

[GemCity]

Top 7? Wow.

It’s a stretch..and a bit of blind faith as Geno adapts to Grubb’s system.

Maybe…hope….

But, if he can be as efficient as he’s shown while our offense opens up, is hopefully way less predictable, I’d say there’s a chance.

Two years ago…I would’ve never made such a statement.

 

[Spin Doctor]

I questioned Waldron when he was hired essentially based on Mcvay calling all the plays and Waldron had zero play calling experiences in NFL.

I will make that Waldron opinion after this season when he isn't working under Pete. Just to eliminate the so call Pete influences or Pete micromanagement, if that was even a factor.

Every coach needs to get experience somehow. All of the best OC's started out like Waldron and were promoted at some point. Waldron was a high ranking member of one of the most consistently good offenses in the NFL. The leap from offensive passing coordinator to OC is extremely logical and fairly common. Even if Waldron hadn't called plays, he is potentially bringing in the culture and knowhow of the system. In addition to all of this, the McVay/Shanahan's coaching tree had seen some absurd amount of successes at coordinator and HC.

Waldron had the pedigree and was a core member of McVay's system for a good while. He was primed to be next in the line of good playcallers/coaches. I don't think the move was necessarily a bad one on paper.

The one thing I will say about Waldron as a coach though, is he didn't seem to have the demeanor. The guy looked defeated on the sidelines whenever anything went wrong. He would just kind of sulk around, especially towards the end.

As far as Carroll goes, I do think he played a huge influence on the play calling. I know he made Schottenheimer use his playbook and terminology. Though, I think the main reason for this was Russell Wilson.

I will say, across different QB's and coordinators there were some trends that made an appearance in every offense. We had a tendency to force the ball deep even under QB's such as Hasselbeck. The running game and blocking schemes were virtually identical. Offenses seemed to be the same level of bland across the board too.

Pete didn't directly call the offense, but you can sure as hell bet he had a huge influence and was very involved in it --- more so than most coaches. Waldron's offense didn't look anything like the system that he came from. We implemented a few McVay like things such as the fly sweep, but it was all looked like a derivative of the last offenses.

 

[AROS]

For what it's worth, in Chris Simms QB rankings he has Geno at #19.

Who?

No disrespect to Simms (and more importantly you) but that’s not worth much. Now if Brady or Rodgers or Mahomes or Allen or any other top tier QB wants to share their rating opinion on Geno? I’m all ears.

Chris Simms?