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[Marvin49]

The only people saying they "don't know" what is going to happen for the niners this season are niner fans. Everyone already knows, but since it isn't good, niner fans claim not to know and are just hoping for the best. They're doing everything they can to try to trick themselves into actually believing that the niners could be better this year. Deep down, niner fan knows the niners are in for a long season...not playoffs long, lack of winning long. They'll be looking forward to the draft about half way through the season. Nobody wants to admit that they have no chance, just look at browns fans, they're excited about the season right now too.

That's a nice little story you've put together, but really has no bearing on what I think of the team.

Anyone who professes to know how good those new players will be are people who WANT the Niners to suck or are too lazy to do any research on the subject.

How can you profess to know anything when...

1) No idea how good Tomsula/Mangini/Chryst will be.
2) No idea how much improved if at all Kap will be.
3) No idea how Bowman will play after a year off.
4) No idea how good Aldon will be after missing more than half of last year and without Justin Smith.
5) No Idea how good Hyde will be.
6) No idea how good Brandon Thomas will be.
7) No idea how good Tank Carradine will be.
8 ) No idea how much Darnell Dockett has left.
9) No idea how good Arik Armstead will be.


.....and I could do this all day. If you profess to know all those answers in the negative than all it does is expose your opinion for what it is. Niner-Hater.

 

[Sports Hernia]

The only people saying they "don't know" what is going to happen for the niners this season are niner fans. Everyone already knows, but since it isn't good, niner fans claim not to know and are just hoping for the best. They're doing everything they can to try to trick themselves into actually believing that the niners could be better this year. Deep down, niner fan knows the niners are in for a long season...not playoffs long, lack of winning long. They'll be looking forward to the draft about half way through the season. Nobody wants to admit that they have no chance, just look at browns fans, they're excited about the season right now too.

That's a nice little story you've put together, but really has no bearing on what I think of the team.

Anyone who professes to know how good those new players will be are people who WANT the Niners to suck or are too lazy to do any research on the subject.

How can you profess to know anything when...

1) No idea how good Tomsula/Mangini/Chryst will be.
2) No idea how much improved if at all Kap will be.
3) No idea how Bowman will play after a year off.
4) No idea how good Aldon will be after missing more than half of last year and without Justin Smith.
5) No Idea how good Hyde will be.
6) No idea how good Brandon Thomas will be.
7) No idea how good Tank Carradine will be.
8 ) No idea how much Darnell Dockett has left.
9) No idea how good Arik Armstead will be.


.....and I could do this all day. If you profess to know all those answers in the negative than all it does is expose your opinion for what it is. Niner-Hater.

You say niner-hater like it is some sort of insult?!?!?!?!? 8)

.....and Marvin, what happens if he is right??? Will he be accused of being an "accurate niner-hater"??? :stirthepot:

 

[Marvin49]

The only people saying they "don't know" what is going to happen for the niners this season are niner fans. Everyone already knows, but since it isn't good, niner fans claim not to know and are just hoping for the best. They're doing everything they can to try to trick themselves into actually believing that the niners could be better this year. Deep down, niner fan knows the niners are in for a long season...not playoffs long, lack of winning long. They'll be looking forward to the draft about half way through the season. Nobody wants to admit that they have no chance, just look at browns fans, they're excited about the season right now too.

That's a nice little story you've put together, but really has no bearing on what I think of the team.

Anyone who professes to know how good those new players will be are people who WANT the Niners to suck or are too lazy to do any research on the subject.

How can you profess to know anything when...

1) No idea how good Tomsula/Mangini/Chryst will be.
2) No idea how much improved if at all Kap will be.
3) No idea how Bowman will play after a year off.
4) No idea how good Aldon will be after missing more than half of last year and without Justin Smith.
5) No Idea how good Hyde will be.
6) No idea how good Brandon Thomas will be.
7) No idea how good Tank Carradine will be.
8 ) No idea how much Darnell Dockett has left.
9) No idea how good Arik Armstead will be.


.....and I could do this all day. If you profess to know all those answers in the negative than all it does is expose your opinion for what it is. Niner-Hater.

You say niner-hater like it is some sort of insult?!?!?!?!? 8)

.....and Marvin, what happens if he is right??? Will he be accused of being an "accurate niner-hater"??? :stirthepot:

Who said it was an insult. It just is.

I'm just sayin' the opinion is kinda funny because it really doesn't matter what had happened this offseason, he's be saying the Niners will suck anyway. You say it enough and at some point its bound to be true.

If I say Lynch won't have 100 yards every single year, I'm gonna be right at some point, correct? Same concept.

 

[Sports Hernia]

My point being you are saying that being a niner-hater is a negative thing, a lot of us wear that as a badge of honor and don't see that as being an insult. 8)

 

[Maulbert]

The only people saying they "don't know" what is going to happen for the niners this season are niner fans. Everyone already knows, but since it isn't good, niner fans claim not to know and are just hoping for the best. They're doing everything they can to try to trick themselves into actually believing that the niners could be better this year. Deep down, niner fan knows the niners are in for a long season...not playoffs long, lack of winning long. They'll be looking forward to the draft about half way through the season. Nobody wants to admit that they have no chance, just look at browns fans, they're excited about the season right now too.

That's a nice little story you've put together, but really has no bearing on what I think of the team.

Anyone who professes to know how good those new players will be are people who WANT the Niners to suck or are too lazy to do any research on the subject.

How can you profess to know anything when...

1) No idea how good Tomsula/Mangini/Chryst will be.
2) No idea how much improved if at all Kap will be.
3) No idea how Bowman will play after a year off.
4) No idea how good Aldon will be after missing more than half of last year and without Justin Smith.
5) No Idea how good Hyde will be.
6) No idea how good Brandon Thomas will be.
7) No idea how good Tank Carradine will be.
8 ) No idea how much Darnell Dockett has left.
9) No idea how good Arik Armstead will be.


.....and I could do this all day. If you profess to know all those answers in the negative than all it does is expose your opinion for what it is. Niner-Hater.

But based on that logic, any well respected expert who predicts doom and gloom for the 49ers is just a Niner-Hater. They're obviously just haters that aren't basing their predictions of historical precedent.

 

[RichNhansom]

The only people saying they "don't know" what is going to happen for the niners this season are niner fans. Everyone already knows, but since it isn't good, niner fans claim not to know and are just hoping for the best. They're doing everything they can to try to trick themselves into actually believing that the niners could be better this year. Deep down, niner fan knows the niners are in for a long season...not playoffs long, lack of winning long. They'll be looking forward to the draft about half way through the season. Nobody wants to admit that they have no chance, just look at browns fans, they're excited about the season right now too.

That's a nice little story you've put together, but really has no bearing on what I think of the team.

Anyone who professes to know how good those new players will be are people who WANT the Niners to suck or are too lazy to do any research on the subject.

How can you profess to know anything when...

1) No idea how good Tomsula/Mangini/Chryst will be.
2) No idea how much improved if at all Kap will be.
3) No idea how Bowman will play after a year off.
4) No idea how good Aldon will be after missing more than half of last year and without Justin Smith.
5) No Idea how good Hyde will be.
6) No idea how good Brandon Thomas will be.
7) No idea how good Tank Carradine will be.
8 ) No idea how much Darnell Dockett has left.
9) No idea how good Arik Armstead will be.


.....and I could do this all day. If you profess to know all those answers in the negative than all it does is expose your opinion for what it is. Niner-Hater.

You get into fan squabbles about players all the time. Truth is it is often used as a shield to reflect away from the bigger picture. Whether each of these guys independently plays well or not still doesn't look at the real elephant in the room. That being the whole picture.

Truth is if you brought back the entire team from last year all healthy but changed the entire coaching staff like you have, most would still be predicting a failed season. Partly because of new schemes, coaching philosophies and playbook but when you also factor in you didn't sign a single known name in the coaching world and instead promoted from within guys that really wouldn't be considered for the positions by any other team than the Niners your coaching staff will get scrutinized and rightly so.

You can sugar coat it but that really is just putting lipstick on a pig. Of course it is possible they could succeed but the odds of each one succeeding is highly unlikely and you don't have to be a hater to see that.

But here is the thing. We aren't talking about bringing back last years team healthy. We are talking about losing more starter snaps than any other team in the league as well as thrusting guys into starter roles that have very limited experience. Now you have all these unproven players and backups thrust into the starter roles and they will be doing this while learning the new schemes, coaching philosophy and playbook plus learning the tenancies of the other new guys, trying to gain cohesion and learn how to play together.

It is not being a hater to look at your team right now and see why they will probably struggle. It is common sense and if you can't see it then maybe it's you and not the so called haters.

 

[Marvin49]

The only people saying they "don't know" what is going to happen for the niners this season are niner fans. Everyone already knows, but since it isn't good, niner fans claim not to know and are just hoping for the best. They're doing everything they can to try to trick themselves into actually believing that the niners could be better this year. Deep down, niner fan knows the niners are in for a long season...not playoffs long, lack of winning long. They'll be looking forward to the draft about half way through the season. Nobody wants to admit that they have no chance, just look at browns fans, they're excited about the season right now too.

That's a nice little story you've put together, but really has no bearing on what I think of the team.

Anyone who professes to know how good those new players will be are people who WANT the Niners to suck or are too lazy to do any research on the subject.

How can you profess to know anything when...

1) No idea how good Tomsula/Mangini/Chryst will be.
2) No idea how much improved if at all Kap will be.
3) No idea how Bowman will play after a year off.
4) No idea how good Aldon will be after missing more than half of last year and without Justin Smith.
5) No Idea how good Hyde will be.
6) No idea how good Brandon Thomas will be.
7) No idea how good Tank Carradine will be.
8 ) No idea how much Darnell Dockett has left.
9) No idea how good Arik Armstead will be.


.....and I could do this all day. If you profess to know all those answers in the negative than all it does is expose your opinion for what it is. Niner-Hater.

You get into fan squabbles about players all the time. Truth is it is often used as a shield to reflect away from the bigger picture. Whether each of these guys independently plays well or not still doesn't look at the real elephant in the room. That being the whole picture.

Truth is if you brought back the entire team from last year all healthy but changed the entire coaching staff like you have, most would still be predicting a failed season. Partly because of new schemes, coaching philosophies and playbook but when you also factor in you didn't sign a single known name in the coaching world and instead promoted from within guys that really wouldn't be considered for the positions by any other team than the Niners your coaching staff will get scrutinized and rightly so.

You can sugar coat it but that really is just putting lipstick on a pig. Of course it is possible they could succeed but the odds of each one succeeding is highly unlikely and you don't have to be a hater to see that.

But here is the thing. We aren't talking about bringing back last years team healthy. We are talking about losing more starter snaps than any other team in the league as well as thrusting guys into starter roles that have very limited experience. Now you have all these unproven players and backups thrust into the starter roles and they will be doing this while learning the new schemes, coaching philosophy and playbook plus learning the tenancies of the other new guys, trying to gain cohesion and learn how to play together.

It is not being a hater to look at your team right now and see why they will probably struggle. It is common sense and if you can't see it then maybe it's you and not the so called haters.

Of course not.

Deciding they'll suck and calling anyone who thinks they might not a homer is being a hater. Calling someone a homer for not already conceding the season is being a hater.

Simply having the opinion that they will struggle based on offseason losses means you are paying attention.

The funny part to me though is that if I fact the Niners have a great year, most here who say I'm a homer will immediately flip to "you didn't know for sure it would happen either, you were just being a homer".

Such is life on a rival team board.

 

[rideaducati]

Of course not.

Deciding they'll suck and calling anyone who thinks they might not a homer is being a hater. Calling someone a homer for not already conceding the season is being a hater.

Simply having the opinion that they will struggle based on offseason losses means you are paying attention.

The funny part to me though is that if I fact the Niners have a great year, most here who say I'm a homer will immediately flip to "you didn't know for sure it would happen either, you were just being a homer".

Such is life on a rival team board.

The niners won't have a great year, and you'll still be a niner homer. WHEN the niners have a bad year, we both know that we knew it would happen, you just wouldn't admit it.

 

[NINEster]

LOL. Man, are you still banging that drum? My exact words...

"10.

More than any season in recent memory I have so little idea what to expect. No idea.

...but I'm an optimist so I'll say 10. I don' think the team has been damaged nearly as badly as fans and media let on."

Yup. THAT sounds like a definitive statement if I ever heard one and CLEARLY one I'd stake money on. Get the heck outta here.

Well Marvin, you can't bet on something AFTER it happens. You made the prediction, you just left yourself an out...kind of weak if you ask me. I guess you're just getting tired of being wrong.

Never had any intension to bet on it and was never intending it to be a STRONG prediction.

As I said there and on NUMEROUS occasions over here, I have no idea what to expect. In that circumstance, If I'm asked for a number, why predict low? Do I really want to be right in that case?

Screw it. No money involved, so I'll predict high and hope for the best. You guys sometimes put WAY, WAY to much weight on this stuff.

Just having fun Marv... Hell, I am predicting a 15-1 year for the Seahawks.

Well if you are serious about that 15-1, then you have no business giving Marv s*** over a 10 win season.

You might as well put Wilson in at 5000 yards passing while you're at it. No sense just half-a$$ing the bets, you know? :mrgreen:

 

[NINEster]

Still believe SF will be a good team team this year....

You say the coaching staff is unproven, etc. etc.

There's a big fundamental difference between these 49ers and the ones that struggled pre-Harbaugh....

1) A roster that's been there, done that
2) A QB that has played in a SB

So compare this roster to say that of the 2011 lockout -- there was no playoff experience anywhere on that team. Vernon Davis crying in the playoffs that year told you all you needed to know about that team's veteran experience. And still that team came close to an SB appearance.

Kaepernick had a legitimately strong debut season for the 49ers. Even the biggest Kap haters from the Emerald City cannot deny that. He's won more road playoff games than Joe Montana and Steve Young. Alex Smith up until that season was perceived as a journeyman, and not someone who would eventually have a bit of a career revival that he did.

Big gap in terms of player confidence between summer of 2011 and summer of 2015.

Compare this to a team like the Rams.....lots of talent and they show up big time a few games a year, but still not proven in primetime. That to me is the difference and once over the hump, you can easily go back.

Like muscle memory.

I don't think it will last forever. Look at the Giants after their last SB......2012 they only won 8 games I think but they still had the fortitude to smash the 49ers and Packers that season because they were after all the NFL champs. After that the fall from grace has been dramatic, despite having a 2 time winning SB coach and QB.

We'll see what happens.

 

[hawknation2015]

Just having fun Marv... Hell, I am predicting a 15-1 year for the Seahawks.

Well if you are serious about that 15-1, then you have no business giving Marv s*** over a 10 win season.

You might as well put Wilson in at 5000 yards passing while you're at it. No sense just half-a$$ing the bets, you know? :mrgreen:

When you have the most talented roster in the league, the best defense, the best running game, a Top 5 QB, and the addition of a Pro Bowl TE/WR . . . 15-1 does not sound so ridiculous. Unlikely? Yes. But not more ridiculous than the Whiners winning 10 games under Tomfoola.

 

[rideaducati]

Well if you are serious about that 15-1, then you have no business giving Marv s*** over a 10 win season.

You might as well put Wilson in at 5000 yards passing while you're at it. No sense just half-a$$ing the bets, you know? :mrgreen:

The Seahawks will be closer to the 15 wins I predict than the niners will be to 10 wins.

 

[rideaducati]

Still believe SF will be a good team team this year....

You say the coaching staff is unproven, etc. etc.

There's a big fundamental difference between these 49ers and the ones that struggled pre-Harbaugh....

1) A roster that's been there, done that
2) A QB that has played in a SB

So compare this roster to say that of the 2011 lockout -- there was no playoff experience anywhere on that team. Vernon Davis crying in the playoffs that year told you all you needed to know about that team's veteran experience. And still that team came close to an SB appearance.

Kaepernick had a legitimately strong debut season for the 49ers. Even the biggest Kap haters from the Emerald City cannot deny that. He's won more road playoff games than Joe Montana and Steve Young. Alex Smith up until that season was perceived as a journeyman, and not someone who would eventually have a bit of a career revival that he did.

Big gap in terms of player confidence between summer of 2011 and summer of 2015.

Compare this to a team like the Rams.....lots of talent and they show up big time a few games a year, but still not proven in primetime. That to me is the difference and once over the hump, you can easily go back.

Like muscle memory.

I don't think it will last forever. Look at the Giants after their last SB......2012 they only won 8 games I think but they still had the fortitude to smash the 49ers and Packers that season because they were after all the NFL champs. After that the fall from grace has been dramatic, despite having a 2 time winning SB coach and QB.

We'll see what happens.

"A roster that's been there, done that"... Really? I think you need to recheck the roster that "done that" and get back to us, because 1. Most of them HAVEN'T "been there" and 2. NONE of them "done that".

 

[rideaducati]

The only people saying they "don't know" what is going to happen for the niners this season are niner fans. Everyone already knows, but since it isn't good, niner fans claim not to know and are just hoping for the best. They're doing everything they can to try to trick themselves into actually believing that the niners could be better this year. Deep down, niner fan knows the niners are in for a long season...not playoffs long, lack of winning long. They'll be looking forward to the draft about half way through the season. Nobody wants to admit that they have no chance, just look at browns fans, they're excited about the season right now too.

That's a nice little story you've put together, but really has no bearing on what I think of the team.

Anyone who professes to know how good those new players will be are people who WANT the Niners to suck or are too lazy to do any research on the subject.

How can you profess to know anything when...

1) No idea how good Tomsula/Mangini/Chryst will be.
2) No idea how much improved if at all Kap will be.
3) No idea how Bowman will play after a year off.
4) No idea how good Aldon will be after missing more than half of last year and without Justin Smith.
5) No Idea how good Hyde will be.
6) No idea how good Brandon Thomas will be.
7) No idea how good Tank Carradine will be.
8 ) No idea how much Darnell Dockett has left.
9) No idea how good Arik Armstead will be.


.....and I could do this all day. If you profess to know all those answers in the negative than all it does is expose your opinion for what it is. Niner-Hater.

I can profess to know a lot because I can make reasonable assumptions based on history.

1) Tomsula has never even been a coordinator and has been coaching the same position for many years. IF he were really that good, he would have advanced at some point sooner...the rest of the coaching staff was not hired by, nor can they be fired by Tomsula which rarely works out well for the "boss".

2) Keeporpick would have to improve more than I believe he is capable of improving in 6 months to even make much of a difference in my prediction. He has had THREE YEARS to work on very simple concepts and hasn't improved at any of them. Hell, it took him three years to realize he had things he needed help with.

3) Bowman isn't better than Willis and Bowman's replacement isn't better than he is. There IS a lesser player or two playing linebacker this year for the niners.

4) Aldon has been there for several seasons and when Cowboy isn't in with him, Aldon don't look so good. Did I mention Cowboy RETIRED?

5,6,7,8,and 9... No, I don't know how good they'll be, but I do know how good the guys they are replacing were and I have my doubts that ALL of them will be as good as the guy they are replacing this season. Even if ANY of them are great, could that be a whole lot better than the guy they are replacing?

Tank has a REALLY cool name, I am positive he'll be the best D-lineman in the history of Santa Clara.

Looking at the niner schedule, I see a lot of losses early and then I predict the wheels to fall off because of the lack of leadership on the team and the lack of respect the coaching staff will be given from the front office and the players.

 

[hawknation2015]

Tomsula is the lowest paid coach in the league. Of course, there is good reason for that . . . he has zero experience as an Assistant Head Coach or Coordinator and is incapable of expressing a coaching philosophy or even completing any sort of cogent sentence.

You know there is something wrong with your HC when the Buccaneers and Redskins are paying their respective coaches $1.5 million more per year. Tomfoola is not a guy in high demand.

 

[Marvin49]

The only people saying they "don't know" what is going to happen for the niners this season are niner fans. Everyone already knows, but since it isn't good, niner fans claim not to know and are just hoping for the best. They're doing everything they can to try to trick themselves into actually believing that the niners could be better this year. Deep down, niner fan knows the niners are in for a long season...not playoffs long, lack of winning long. They'll be looking forward to the draft about half way through the season. Nobody wants to admit that they have no chance, just look at browns fans, they're excited about the season right now too.

That's a nice little story you've put together, but really has no bearing on what I think of the team.

Anyone who professes to know how good those new players will be are people who WANT the Niners to suck or are too lazy to do any research on the subject.

How can you profess to know anything when...

1) No idea how good Tomsula/Mangini/Chryst will be.
2) No idea how much improved if at all Kap will be.
3) No idea how Bowman will play after a year off.
4) No idea how good Aldon will be after missing more than half of last year and without Justin Smith.
5) No Idea how good Hyde will be.
6) No idea how good Brandon Thomas will be.
7) No idea how good Tank Carradine will be.
8 ) No idea how much Darnell Dockett has left.
9) No idea how good Arik Armstead will be.


.....and I could do this all day. If you profess to know all those answers in the negative than all it does is expose your opinion for what it is. Niner-Hater.

I can profess to know a lot because I can make reasonable assumptions based on history.

1) Tomsula has never even been a coordinator and has been coaching the same position for many years. IF he were really that good, he would have advanced at some point sooner...the rest of the coaching staff was not hired by, nor can they be fired by Tomsula which rarely works out well for the "boss".

2) Keeporpick would have to improve more than I believe he is capable of improving in 6 months to even make much of a difference in my prediction. He has had THREE YEARS to work on very simple concepts and hasn't improved at any of them. Hell, it took him three years to realize he had things he needed help with.

3) Bowman isn't better than Willis and Bowman's replacement isn't better than he is. There IS a lesser player or two playing linebacker this year for the niners.

4) Aldon has been there for several seasons and when Cowboy isn't in with him, Aldon don't look so good. Did I mention Cowboy RETIRED?

5,6,7,8,and 9... No, I don't know how good they'll be, but I do know how good the guys they are replacing were and I have my doubts that ALL of them will be as good as the guy they are replacing this season. Even if ANY of them are great, could that be a whole lot better than the guy they are replacing?

Tank has a REALLY cool name, I am positive he'll be the best D-lineman in the history of Santa Clara.

Looking at the niner schedule, I see a lot of losses early and then I predict the wheels to fall off because of the lack of leadership on the team and the lack of respect the coaching staff will be given from the front office and the players.

1) So much wrong in that first one I can't even attempt to decrypt it.

2) The problem there is that you have so low an opinion of Kap to begin with. He doesn't need to make broad, sweeping changes to be successful. He just needs to more closely resemble the guy he was in 2012. Scheme is a big part of that.

3) Bowman/Willis is debatable. Willis has been slowed by foot issues. Bowman was a monster there for awhile, but a lot of that was the way the defensive scheme was run. Bowman was in position to make plays more often by the design of the defense. You are right tho that Wilhoite isn't either of those guys.

4) # of games Aldon played without Justin: 2. Yup, you can learn EVERYTHING from those two games while Aldon was also playing with a torn Labrum.

The rest? No idea. We'll see.

Last part about respect is pretty funny tho. I mean its not like SEVERAL of the coaches you are referring to haven't been in the building for YEARS. (Tomsula, Chryst, Mangini, Rathman). They ALREADY have the respect of the locker room, just not of the fans who didn't know who he was before he was hired.

 

[Popeyejones]

I predict the wheels to fall off because of the lack of leadership on the team and the lack of respect the coaching staff will be given from the front office and the players.

ng to haven't been in the building for YEARS. (Tomsula, Chryst, Mangini, Rathman). They ALREADY have the respect of the locker room, just not of the fans who didn't know who he was before he was hired.

Yeah, that argument is pretty out of touch with reality.

If anything the respect the players and FO alreadt have for Tomsula was TOO BIG of a factor in the FO's decision to hire him.

In terms of already being a known entity and respected throughout a building I think you'd have trouble finding a new HC hire in the last 20 years who has those qualities more than Tomsula.

That said, the other side of the coin is that in terms of ability to perform as a HC you'd probably have trouble finding a new HC in the last 20 years who has less of that than Tomsula.

He was interim coach for a game (so what) and was a HC in NFLE (NFL people don't care), but being a succesfful NFL coordinator or college coach are the *normal* signals of being a future successful NFL HC, and he's got none of that.

 

[rideaducati]

We shall see.

 

[Marvin49]

Just another dodge.

Answer: What is what Carlos Hyde attempts while trying to lumber out of the backfield?

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-high ... n-4th-down

:stirthepot:

Just so I'm clear...a play in which he doesn't lose yards is your evidence that being slow it the reason he gets caught in the backfield?

That's what life is going to look like from now on for the 49ers without Iupati and Gore. I believe Iupati exited that game under the concussion protocol, leading to Hyde lumbering in the backfield and then getting stonewalled on 4th and goal. It's not so easy when you don't have holes large enough to fit a truck through.

Ahem.

168 Yards. 2 TDs. 6.5 YPC.

 

[Popeyejones]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Petty, petty, Mavin.

In any case, despite last night Hyde could still end up having an awful year, but even if that happens, from last night* it's safe to say that if that happens it won't happen because he's slow and lumbering. :lol: (why people reacted so vociferously to the argument in the first place).





*(never mind last year and in college; the argument was always ridiculous)