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[hawknation2015]

Set the terms of the bet, partner.

Cash, avatars, tag lines, anything.

Below 4.0 was your prediction, and I think it's a really fair bet (unless of course you were just wolfing about below 4.0, which I don't see why you would be).

Being the betting man I am I hate being the party pooper in this situation, but if you guys are going to bet $$$, it's going to have to be offline as betting cash is against forum rules. If you want to do avatars or sig lines as long as they are good taste that would be acceptable. Thanks!

Didn't know. Thanks for the heads up. :th2thumbs:

I wouldn't worry about any type of bet actually happening, though.

Yeah, I have already said I would place a bet on this if Marvin places a bet on his 10-win prediction for the Whiners.

I think Hyde could very well see his average yards per carry drop below 4.0, given his lumbering style, loss of power, and the state of the their offensive line, post-Iupati and Davis. But I'm not particularly confident in it.

By your logic, I guess that means every opinion you have ever had should be disregarded if you haven't been willing to place a bet on it.

 

[Marvin49]

Set the terms of the bet, partner.

Cash, avatars, tag lines, anything.

Below 4.0 was your prediction, and I think it's a really fair bet (unless of course you were just wolfing about below 4.0, which I don't see why you would be).

Being the betting man I am I hate being the party pooper in this situation, but if you guys are going to bet $$$, it's going to have to be offline as betting cash is against forum rules. If you want to do avatars or sig lines as long as they are good taste that would be acceptable. Thanks!

Didn't know. Thanks for the heads up. :th2thumbs:

I wouldn't worry about any type of bet actually happening, though.

Yeah, I have already said I would place a bet on this if Marvin places a bet on his 10-win prediction for the Whiners.

I think Hyde could very well see his average yards per carry drop below 4.0, given his lumbering style, loss of power, and the state of the their offensive line, post-Iupati and Davis. But I'm not particularly confident in it.

By your logic, I guess that means every opinion you have ever had should be disregarded if you haven't been willing to place a bet on it.

LOL. Man, are you still banging that drum? My exact words...

"10.

More than any season in recent memory I have so little idea what to expect. No idea.

...but I'm an optimist so I'll say 10. I don' think the team has been damaged nearly as badly as fans and media let on."

Yup. THAT sounds like a definitive statement if I ever heard one and CLEARLY one I'd stake money on. Get the heck outta here. Funniest part to me is how peeps who quote that prediction ALWAYS leave out the "More than any season in recent memory" part. Nice cherry picking.

 

[hawknation2015]

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Didn't know. Thanks for the heads up. :th2thumbs:

I wouldn't worry about any type of bet actually happening, though.

Yeah, I have already said I would place a bet on this if Marvin places a bet on his 10-win prediction for the Whiners.

I think Hyde could very well see his average yards per carry drop below 4.0, given his lumbering style, loss of power, and the state of the their offensive line, post-Iupati and Davis. But I'm not particularly confident in it.

By your logic, I guess that means every opinion you have ever had should be disregarded if you haven't been willing to place a bet on it.

LOL. Man, are you still banging that drum? My exact words...

"10.

More than any season in recent memory I have so little idea what to expect. No idea.

...but I'm an optimist so I'll say 10. I don' think the team has been damaged nearly as badly as fans and media let on."

Yup. THAT sounds like a definitive statement if I ever heard one and CLEARLY one I'd stake money on. Get the heck outta here. Funniest part to me is how peeps who quote that prediction ALWAYS leave out the "More than any season in recent memory" part. Nice cherry picking.

You're just bolstering my argument, Marv. Not every prediction someone makes means they are willing to stake a bet on it.

 

[Marvin49]

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Didn't know. Thanks for the heads up. :th2thumbs:

I wouldn't worry about any type of bet actually happening, though.

Yeah, I have already said I would place a bet on this if Marvin places a bet on his 10-win prediction for the Whiners.

I think Hyde could very well see his average yards per carry drop below 4.0, given his lumbering style, loss of power, and the state of the their offensive line, post-Iupati and Davis. But I'm not particularly confident in it.

By your logic, I guess that means every opinion you have ever had should be disregarded if you haven't been willing to place a bet on it.

LOL. Man, are you still banging that drum? My exact words...

"10.

More than any season in recent memory I have so little idea what to expect. No idea.

...but I'm an optimist so I'll say 10. I don' think the team has been damaged nearly as badly as fans and media let on."

Yup. THAT sounds like a definitive statement if I ever heard one and CLEARLY one I'd stake money on. Get the heck outta here. Funniest part to me is how peeps who quote that prediction ALWAYS leave out the "More than any season in recent memory" part. Nice cherry picking.

You're just bolstering my argument, Marv. Not every prediction someone makes means they are willing to stake in bet on it.

Wasn't trying to say anything about you're argument. That was your conversation with Popeye, not me. I was commenting on the 10 win prediction thing that peeps all over this site all of the sudden call me to task for.

 

[hawknation2015]

Yeah, I have already said I would place a bet on this if Marvin places a bet on his 10-win prediction for the Whiners.

I think Hyde could very well see his average yards per carry drop below 4.0, given his lumbering style, loss of power, and the state of the their offensive line, post-Iupati and Davis. But I'm not particularly confident in it.

By your logic, I guess that means every opinion you have ever had should be disregarded if you haven't been willing to place a bet on it.

LOL. Man, are you still banging that drum? My exact words...

"10.

More than any season in recent memory I have so little idea what to expect. No idea.

...but I'm an optimist so I'll say 10. I don' think the team has been damaged nearly as badly as fans and media let on."

Yup. THAT sounds like a definitive statement if I ever heard one and CLEARLY one I'd stake money on. Get the heck outta here. Funniest part to me is how peeps who quote that prediction ALWAYS leave out the "More than any season in recent memory" part. Nice cherry picking.

You're just bolstering my argument, Marv. Not every prediction someone makes means they are willing to stake in bet on it.

Wasn't trying to say anything about you're argument. That was your conversation with Popeye, not me. I was commenting on the 10 win prediction thing that peeps all over this site all of the sudden call me to task for.

You didn't mean to bolster my argument . . . but you did.

And yes, people will continue to call you out for that 10-win prediction, myself included, because it's freaking hysterical.

At least <4.0 yards per carry for Hyde is within the realm of possibility. But 10 wins for the Whiners under Tomsula in 2015? You have a better chance of being struck by lightning while simultaneously winning the lottery and being attacked by a shark.

 

[rideaducati]

LOL. Man, are you still banging that drum? My exact words...

"10.

More than any season in recent memory I have so little idea what to expect. No idea.

...but I'm an optimist so I'll say 10. I don' think the team has been damaged nearly as badly as fans and media let on."

Yup. THAT sounds like a definitive statement if I ever heard one and CLEARLY one I'd stake money on. Get the heck outta here.

Well Marvin, you can't bet on something AFTER it happens. You made the prediction, you just left yourself an out...kind of weak if you ask me. I guess you're just getting tired of being wrong.

 

[Marvin49]

LOL. Man, are you still banging that drum? My exact words...

"10.

More than any season in recent memory I have so little idea what to expect. No idea.

...but I'm an optimist so I'll say 10. I don' think the team has been damaged nearly as badly as fans and media let on."

Yup. THAT sounds like a definitive statement if I ever heard one and CLEARLY one I'd stake money on. Get the heck outta here. Funniest part to me is how peeps who quote that prediction ALWAYS leave out the "More than any season in recent memory" part. Nice cherry picking.

You're just bolstering my argument, Marv. Not every prediction someone makes means they are willing to stake in bet on it.

Wasn't trying to say anything about you're argument. That was your conversation with Popeye, not me. I was commenting on the 10 win prediction thing that peeps all over this site all of the sudden call me to task for.

You didn't mean to bolster my argument . . . but you did.

And yes, people will continue to call you out for that 10-win prediction, myself included, because it's freaking hysterical.

At least <4.0 yards per carry for Hyde is within the realm of possibility. But 10 wins for the Whiners under Tomsula in 2015? You have a better chance of being struck by lightning while simultaneously winning the lottery and being attacked by a shark.

Whatevers clever. No skin off my nose. It's pretty common by some posters (you included) to cherry pick and straw man to make posters look "silly". No difference here.

GRATZ!!!

 

[Marvin49]

LOL. Man, are you still banging that drum? My exact words...

"10.

More than any season in recent memory I have so little idea what to expect. No idea.

...but I'm an optimist so I'll say 10. I don' think the team has been damaged nearly as badly as fans and media let on."

Yup. THAT sounds like a definitive statement if I ever heard one and CLEARLY one I'd stake money on. Get the heck outta here.

Well Marvin, you can't bet on something AFTER it happens. You made the prediction, you just left yourself an out...kind of weak if you ask me. I guess you're just getting tired of being wrong.

Never had any intension to bet on it and was never intending it to be a STRONG prediction.

As I said there and on NUMEROUS occasions over here, I have no idea what to expect. In that circumstance, If I'm asked for a number, why predict low? Do I really want to be right in that case? I'd MUCH rather predict high and be wrong than predict low and be right.

Screw it. No money involved, so I'll predict high and hope for the best. You guys sometimes put WAY, WAY to much weight on this stuff.

"HAHA!!! Marvin says they'll win 10 games!!"

Dude, really? Do you honestly think that's the prediction I'd make if I were being 100% serious?

 

[rideaducati]

LOL. Man, are you still banging that drum? My exact words...

"10.

More than any season in recent memory I have so little idea what to expect. No idea.

...but I'm an optimist so I'll say 10. I don' think the team has been damaged nearly as badly as fans and media let on."

Yup. THAT sounds like a definitive statement if I ever heard one and CLEARLY one I'd stake money on. Get the heck outta here.

Well Marvin, you can't bet on something AFTER it happens. You made the prediction, you just left yourself an out...kind of weak if you ask me. I guess you're just getting tired of being wrong.

Never had any intension to bet on it and was never intending it to be a STRONG prediction.

As I said there and on NUMEROUS occasions over here, I have no idea what to expect. In that circumstance, If I'm asked for a number, why predict low? Do I really want to be right in that case?

Screw it. No money involved, so I'll predict high and hope for the best. You guys sometimes put WAY, WAY to much weight on this stuff.

Just having fun Marv... Hell, I am predicting a 15-1 year for the Seahawks.

 

[Marvin49]

LOL. Man, are you still banging that drum? My exact words...

"10.

More than any season in recent memory I have so little idea what to expect. No idea.

...but I'm an optimist so I'll say 10. I don' think the team has been damaged nearly as badly as fans and media let on."

Yup. THAT sounds like a definitive statement if I ever heard one and CLEARLY one I'd stake money on. Get the heck outta here.

Well Marvin, you can't bet on something AFTER it happens. You made the prediction, you just left yourself an out...kind of weak if you ask me. I guess you're just getting tired of being wrong.

Never had any intension to bet on it and was never intending it to be a STRONG prediction.

As I said there and on NUMEROUS occasions over here, I have no idea what to expect. In that circumstance, If I'm asked for a number, why predict low? Do I really want to be right in that case?

Screw it. No money involved, so I'll predict high and hope for the best. You guys sometimes put WAY, WAY to much weight on this stuff.

Just having fun Marv... Hell, I am predicting a 15-1 year for the Seahawks.

As my friend who's a Bears fan always says...

"18-0 and the Super Bowl. No problem".

 

[Popeyejones]

IIRC a whole bunch of times I've seen Marvin post something akin to "I don't know if the 9ers are going to go 6-10 or 10-6 this year."

So when in some old thread he says he's being an "optimist" and will say 10-6, I take that statement in the context of everything else he has said (which makes my reading lean VERY HEAVILY on "optimist" as the key caveat in the "prediction").

From everything Marvin said it's pretty clear that if he was actually making a prediction it would be around 8-8. I bet he'd even be willing to bet a month of an avatar with 8-8 as the push.

That's what would make his statement akin to HawkNation's statement: "I'm predicting under four yards per carry for Hyde this year", which he's now backtracking every which way from for some reason, even though it's a totally reasonable one.

If HawkNation thinks <4.0 is as pessimistic as Marvin thinks 10-6 is optimistic, well, then he's been blowing smoke for this whole thread.

 

[hawknation2015]

IIRC a whole bunch of times I've seen Marvin post something akin to "I don't know if the 9ers are going to go 6-10 or 10-6 this year."

So when in some old thread he says he's being an "optimist" and will say 10-6, I take that statement in the context of everything else he has said (which makes my reading lean VERY HEAVILY on "optimist" as the key caveat in the "prediction").

From everything Marvin said it's pretty clear that if he was actually making a prediction it would be around 8-8. I bet he'd even be willing to bet a month of an avatar with 8-8 as the push.

That's what would make his statement akin to HawkNation's statement: "I'm predicting under four yards per carry for Hyde this year", which he's now backtracking every which way from for some reason, even though it's a totally reasonable one.

If HawkNation thinks <4.0 is as pessimistic as Marvin thinks 10-6 is optimistic, well, then he's been blowing smoke for this whole thread.

I'm not backtracking, like Marvin I'm just not willing to bet on the prediction. That is, unless Marvin is willing to be on his 10-win prediction from the DenialZone's "win prediction" thread. However, I still very much feel Hyde will average a little less per carry than he did last season.

 

[Popeyejones]

I'm not backtracking, like Marvin I'm just not willing to bet on the prediction.

By backtracking I was referring to going from this:

I'm predicting under four yards per carry for Hyde's slow ass this year

to this:

I think Hyde could very well see his average yards per carry drop below 4.0...But I'm not particularly confident in it.

That you won't bet anything on it just means that you don't have any faith in your own prediction, which we already know from the second quote anyways.

:th2thumbs:

 

[hawknation2015]

I'm not backtracking, like Marvin I'm just not willing to bet on the prediction.

By backtracking I was referring to going from this:

I'm predicting under four yards per carry for Hyde's slow ass this year

to this:

I think Hyde could very well see his average yards per carry drop below 4.0...But I'm not particularly confident in it.

That you won't bet anything on it just means that you don't have any faith in your own prediction, which we already know from the second quote anyways.

:th2thumbs:

A fair estimate would be a 51% chance of Hyde averaging less than his already-low average from last season, which would mean my prediction is probable, but not likely enough for me to bet on it.

And no, I have not altered my prediction. I am still picking UNDER 4.0 yards.

Is Marvin still predicting 10 wins for the Whiners? I wouldn't think so, unless he is insane, but he hasn't said so definitively.

 

[Marvin49]

I'm not backtracking, like Marvin I'm just not willing to bet on the prediction.

By backtracking I was referring to going from this:

I'm predicting under four yards per carry for Hyde's slow ass this year

to this:

I think Hyde could very well see his average yards per carry drop below 4.0...But I'm not particularly confident in it.

That you won't bet anything on it just means that you don't have any faith in your own prediction, which we already know from the second quote anyways.

:th2thumbs:

A fair estimate would be a 51% chance of Hyde averaging less than his already-low average from last season, which would mean my prediction is probable, but not likely enough for me to bet on it.

And no, I have not altered my prediction. I am still picking UNDER 4.0 yards.

Is Marvin still predicting 10 wins for the Whiners? I wouldn't think so, unless he is insane, but he hasn't said so definitively.

Not really clear why my non-prediction prediction has anything to do with yours.

It was clear from the start I was taking a shot in the dark and even stated within the "prediction" that I had no clue. You on the other hand seem pretty sure of your prediction.

Bet, don't bet, that's all on you...but stop making out like the two are the same and making your bet contingent on mine. That's just a dodge.

 

[hawknation2015]

A fair estimate would be a 51% chance of Hyde averaging less than his already-low average from last season, which would mean my prediction is probable, but not likely enough for me to bet on it.

And no, I have not altered my prediction. I am still picking UNDER 4.0 yards.

Is Marvin still predicting 10 wins for the Whiners? I wouldn't think so, unless he is insane, but he hasn't said so definitively.

Not really clear why my non-prediction prediction has anything to do with yours.

It was clear from the start I was taking a shot in the dark and even stated within the "prediction" that I had no clue. You on the other hand seem pretty sure of your prediction.

Bet, don't bet, that's all on you...but stop making out like the two are the same and making your bet contingent on mine. That's just dodge.

So how many wins do you think are really LIKELY for the 49ers this season, Marv?

Because apparently we have to emphasize that your PREDICTION should be at least probable.

10 wins . . . LOL. :0190l:

Don't "dodge."

 

[Marvin49]

A fair estimate would be a 51% chance of Hyde averaging less than his already-low average from last season, which would mean my prediction is probable, but not likely enough for me to bet on it.

And no, I have not altered my prediction. I am still picking UNDER 4.0 yards.

Is Marvin still predicting 10 wins for the Whiners? I wouldn't think so, unless he is insane, but he hasn't said so definitively.

Not really clear why my non-prediction prediction has anything to do with yours.

It was clear from the start I was taking a shot in the dark and even stated within the "prediction" that I had no clue. You on the other hand seem pretty sure of your prediction.

Bet, don't bet, that's all on you...but stop making out like the two are the same and making your bet contingent on mine. That's just dodge.

So how many wins do you think are really LIKELY for the 49ers this season, Marv?

Because apparently we have to emphasize that your PREDICTION should be at least probable.

10 wins . . . LOL. :0190l:

Don't "dodge."

As I have stated many, many, many, many, many times before...

I don't know. I don't have a number. Too many changes, too many young and unproven players, too many players returning from injury or suspension, and of course an all new untested coaching staff.

I don't have the first freakin' clue. What separates me from many though is that I see how its POSSIBLE that the team will be much better than advertised because the Niners had been bracing for most of those loses for years now, but that doesn't mean those new players will work out. IF Hyde is as good as we hope, IF Aldon and Bowman become their former selves again, IF Reaser/Wright/Acker/Johnson can be a reliable #2 corner with Brock a sthe #1, IF they can adjust semi-quickly to the ZBS, IF Brandon Thomas plays well in Iupatis spot and Boon plays well for Davis (not sure who the RT will be though).....yes, I can see 10 wins or more. That's ALOT of IFs though. ALOT. I mean ALOT.

It would be foolish to give any kind of serious prediction with so much unknown including who will even be the starter at SEVERAL positions. We don't know yet who will start as either DE position. Dockett? Dorsey? Carradine? Dial? Armstead? We don't know how the RB carries will be divided between Hyde, Bush, Hunter, and the rookie Davis.

Does Hyde run for 1600 yards or 160? No clue. Just too many changes for me to make a serious prediction.

 

[Maulbert]

Does Hyde run for 1600 yards or 160?

This is why it's so easy to make fun of you. In that statement, you had to post 1600 instead of 1000. Gore, a fantastic pro bowl caliber RB and possible HOFer, only had one 1600 yard season. The fact that you went that high, even as a hypothetical, is laughable homerism. No one would have said anything if you had just said 1000. Hell, downright crap RBs have gotten 1000 yard seasons. I will go so far as to say that even if Hyde has a terrific season and the Niners make the playoffs, Hyde won't sniff 1600 yards rushing.

 

[Marvin49]

Does Hyde run for 1600 yards or 160?

This is why it's so easy to make fun of you. In that statement, you had to post 1600 instead of 1000. Gore, a fantastic pro bowl caliber RB and possible HOFer, only had one 1600 yard season. The fact that you went that high, even as a hypothetical, is laughable homerism. No one would have said anything if you had just said 1000. Hell, downright crap RBs have gotten 1000 yard seasons. I will go so far as to say that even if Hyde has a terrific season and the Niners make the playoffs, Hyde won't sniff 1600 yards rushing.

.................................

...and that's exactly what I'm always talking about.

The POINT was to go to extremes BOTH WAYS. I could just as easily have said 3000 or 30. You focus on that number instead of the entire message I'm making. That's cherry-picking.

 

[rideaducati]

The only people saying they "don't know" what is going to happen for the niners this season are niner fans. Everyone already knows, but since it isn't good, niner fans claim not to know and are just hoping for the best. They're doing everything they can to try to trick themselves into actually believing that the niners could be better this year. Deep down, niner fan knows the niners are in for a long season...not playoffs long, lack of winning long. They'll be looking forward to the draft about half way through the season. Nobody wants to admit that they have no chance, just look at browns fans, they're excited about the season right now too.