JS says minimum for Russ is (3) 1st round draft picks.

[chris98251]

Rodgers was angry the entire year, somehow they made it thru and got over it. So Russ and Pete MIGHT not be getting along like in the past, big deal.
This team will be good, and Russ will be under center.
And then next year, a bunch of made up rumors by media will come back up. Until he isn't a Hawk, I don't believe trade hype at all. He may be eventually traded if he pushes for it. But until then, wasted energy worrying over something we have zero control over. And we have no way of knowing what truly is going on behind closed doors. People put WAY too much stock in what sports talk or writers are saying imo. Speculation and rumors are NOT facts.

Rodgers got MVP and RW has yet to come close to achieving the level of Rodgers, Breese, Manning, etc...

Well part on Russ and Part on Pete for torpedoing the offense.

Russell allowed to play, he is easily in that conversation.

 

[FresnoHawk52]

Rodgers was angry the entire year, somehow they made it thru and got over it. So Russ and Pete MIGHT not be getting along like in the past, big deal.
This team will be good, and Russ will be under center.
And then next year, a bunch of made up rumors by media will come back up. Until he isn't a Hawk, I don't believe trade hype at all. He may be eventually traded if he pushes for it. But until then, wasted energy worrying over something we have zero control over. And we have no way of knowing what truly is going on behind closed doors. People put WAY too much stock in what sports talk or writers are saying imo. Speculation and rumors are NOT facts.

This is about dissatisfaction and Russell's Mortality, there is smoke but not fire, behind the scenes I am sure they are both doing some posturing of sorts and working on things. It's how both sides have operated over the years, only when things hit a wall do you as a player use the Media leverage card to stir the pot. It was calculated I am sure and a statement not to alienate but to draw attention more then anything.

It can go either direction depending on actions going forward by John and Pete, they usually don't hang on to players not bought in no matter who, they will bide time to get a deal they feel is worthwhile however if that's where it goes, won't be what we think is worthwhile I am sure.

They also cannot come out in the media easily with anything much as it could drive the asking price down.

Seahawks are gagged really by Wilson not the other way around.

I agree but I wouldn’t be surprised if the true competition is between Watson & Wilson = which QB is worth more! I wouldn’t acquire Watson you don’t want the face of the franchise tossing the franchise under the bus, it doesn’t matter what Houston did, Houston paid Watson, Watson took the $$, Watson is destroying the Franchise!

If Manning was our QB in 2019 & 2020 he would have beaten Green Bay & LA with the same team RW had. RW has brainwashed everyone into prematurely thinking RW is a HOF QB! Pete & John have to be wondering if RW’s declining play is going to bleed into 2021.

 

[knownone]

3 first round picks wouldn't be enough for me. First of all unless your trading him this year who know what those pick are? Any team Russell is going too probably is drafting 20-32.

Give me Tua, Austin Jackson, 3rd pick in the draft (Penei Sewell) and the 18th pick in the draft and we have a deal

or

Give me Becton, Quinnen Williams, 2nd pick(Zach Wilson) in the draft and 23rd pick in the draft and we have a deal

or

Straight up for DeShaun Watson

those are the 3 deals that make sense to me this year or at least something like those.

I like the creativity. I do have one question; what the heck is Seattle going to do with all of these tackles? For example, you have them taking two elite LT prospects in the Miami deal while LT is arguably our strongest position on offense. Do you foresee them trading Brown as well? Or do you see Sewell as a right tackle?

Can anyone sell me on Tua as a prospect? I watched some videos of him, and he looked like a less athletic version of Russ without the arm strength. Seriously, to my untrained eye, his upside looks like a slightly more athletic version of 40-year-old Drew Brees.

 

[chris98251]

Rodgers was angry the entire year, somehow they made it thru and got over it. So Russ and Pete MIGHT not be getting along like in the past, big deal.
This team will be good, and Russ will be under center.
And then next year, a bunch of made up rumors by media will come back up. Until he isn't a Hawk, I don't believe trade hype at all. He may be eventually traded if he pushes for it. But until then, wasted energy worrying over something we have zero control over. And we have no way of knowing what truly is going on behind closed doors. People put WAY too much stock in what sports talk or writers are saying imo. Speculation and rumors are NOT facts.

This is about dissatisfaction and Russell's Mortality, there is smoke but not fire, behind the scenes I am sure they are both doing some posturing of sorts and working on things. It's how both sides have operated over the years, only when things hit a wall do you as a player use the Media leverage card to stir the pot. It was calculated I am sure and a statement not to alienate but to draw attention more then anything.

It can go either direction depending on actions going forward by John and Pete, they usually don't hang on to players not bought in no matter who, they will bide time to get a deal they feel is worthwhile however if that's where it goes, won't be what we think is worthwhile I am sure.

They also cannot come out in the media easily with anything much as it could drive the asking price down.

Seahawks are gagged really by Wilson not the other way around.

I agree but I wouldn’t be surprised if the true competition is between Watson & Wilson = which QB is worth more! I wouldn’t acquire Watson you don’t want the face of the franchise tossing the franchise under the bus, it doesn’t matter what Houston did, Houston paid Watson, Watson took the $$, Watson is destroying the Franchise!

If Manning was our QB in 2019 & 2020 he would have beaten Green Bay & LA with the same team RW had. RW has brainwashed everyone into prematurely thinking RW is a HOF QB! Pete & John have to be wondering if RW’s declining play is going to bleed into 2021.

Manning didn't even take a flight here by personal Jet of Paul Allen, they went to Denver to try to get him to talk and he wouldn't even give them that time. Manning did not want to be in a controlled offense that was dictated to him, he wanted his offense from the Colts more or less.

It would never have happened with Pete Ball.

 

[FresnoHawk52]

Rodgers was angry the entire year, somehow they made it thru and got over it. So Russ and Pete MIGHT not be getting along like in the past, big deal.
This team will be good, and Russ will be under center.
And then next year, a bunch of made up rumors by media will come back up. Until he isn't a Hawk, I don't believe trade hype at all. He may be eventually traded if he pushes for it. But until then, wasted energy worrying over something we have zero control over. And we have no way of knowing what truly is going on behind closed doors. People put WAY too much stock in what sports talk or writers are saying imo. Speculation and rumors are NOT facts.

This is about dissatisfaction and Russell's Mortality, there is smoke but not fire, behind the scenes I am sure they are both doing some posturing of sorts and working on things. It's how both sides have operated over the years, only when things hit a wall do you as a player use the Media leverage card to stir the pot. It was calculated I am sure and a statement not to alienate but to draw attention more then anything.

It can go either direction depending on actions going forward by John and Pete, they usually don't hang on to players not bought in no matter who, they will bide time to get a deal they feel is worthwhile however if that's where it goes, won't be what we think is worthwhile I am sure.

They also cannot come out in the media easily with anything much as it could drive the asking price down.

Seahawks are gagged really by Wilson not the other way around.

I agree but I wouldn’t be surprised if the true competition is between Watson & Wilson = which QB is worth more! I wouldn’t acquire Watson you don’t want the face of the franchise tossing the franchise under the bus, it doesn’t matter what Houston did, Houston paid Watson, Watson took the $$, Watson is destroying the Franchise!

If Manning was our QB in 2019 & 2020 he would have beaten Green Bay & LA with the same team RW had. RW has brainwashed everyone into prematurely thinking RW is a HOF QB! Pete & John have to be wondering if RW’s declining play is going to bleed into 2021.

Manning didn't even take a flight here by personal Jet of Paul Allen, they went to Denver to try to get him to talk and he wouldn't even give them that time. Manning did not want to be in a controlled offense that was dictated to him, he wanted his offense from the Colts more or less.

It would never have happened with Pete Ball.

Manning was capable of making the right calls RW has yet to prove it! RW threw 2 interceptions in a single game & also threw 3 interceptions in a single game last year.

 

[FresnoHawk52]

Rodgers was angry the entire year, somehow they made it thru and got over it. So Russ and Pete MIGHT not be getting along like in the past, big deal.
This team will be good, and Russ will be under center.
And then next year, a bunch of made up rumors by media will come back up. Until he isn't a Hawk, I don't believe trade hype at all. He may be eventually traded if he pushes for it. But until then, wasted energy worrying over something we have zero control over. And we have no way of knowing what truly is going on behind closed doors. People put WAY too much stock in what sports talk or writers are saying imo. Speculation and rumors are NOT facts.

This is about dissatisfaction and Russell's Mortality, there is smoke but not fire, behind the scenes I am sure they are both doing some posturing of sorts and working on things. It's how both sides have operated over the years, only when things hit a wall do you as a player use the Media leverage card to stir the pot. It was calculated I am sure and a statement not to alienate but to draw attention more then anything.

It can go either direction depending on actions going forward by John and Pete, they usually don't hang on to players not bought in no matter who, they will bide time to get a deal they feel is worthwhile however if that's where it goes, won't be what we think is worthwhile I am sure.

They also cannot come out in the media easily with anything much as it could drive the asking price down.

Seahawks are gagged really by Wilson not the other way around.

I agree but I wouldn’t be surprised if the true competition is between Watson & Wilson = which QB is worth more! I wouldn’t acquire Watson you don’t want the face of the franchise tossing the franchise under the bus, it doesn’t matter what Houston did, Houston paid Watson, Watson took the $$, Watson is destroying the Franchise!

If Manning was our QB in 2019 & 2020 he would have beaten Green Bay & LA with the same team RW had. RW has brainwashed everyone into prematurely thinking RW is a HOF QB! Pete & John have to be wondering if RW’s declining play is going to bleed into 2021.

Manning didn't even take a flight here by personal Jet of Paul Allen, they went to Denver to try to get him to talk and he wouldn't even give them that time. Manning did not want to be in a controlled offense that was dictated to him, he wanted his offense from the Colts more or less.

It would never have happened with Pete Ball.

Pete beat Payton Manning in the Super Bowl, easily!

 

[chris98251]

This is about dissatisfaction and Russell's Mortality, there is smoke but not fire, behind the scenes I am sure they are both doing some posturing of sorts and working on things. It's how both sides have operated over the years, only when things hit a wall do you as a player use the Media leverage card to stir the pot. It was calculated I am sure and a statement not to alienate but to draw attention more then anything.

It can go either direction depending on actions going forward by John and Pete, they usually don't hang on to players not bought in no matter who, they will bide time to get a deal they feel is worthwhile however if that's where it goes, won't be what we think is worthwhile I am sure.

They also cannot come out in the media easily with anything much as it could drive the asking price down.

Seahawks are gagged really by Wilson not the other way around.

I agree but I wouldn’t be surprised if the true competition is between Watson & Wilson = which QB is worth more! I wouldn’t acquire Watson you don’t want the face of the franchise tossing the franchise under the bus, it doesn’t matter what Houston did, Houston paid Watson, Watson took the $$, Watson is destroying the Franchise!

If Manning was our QB in 2019 & 2020 he would have beaten Green Bay & LA with the same team RW had. RW has brainwashed everyone into prematurely thinking RW is a HOF QB! Pete & John have to be wondering if RW’s declining play is going to bleed into 2021.

Manning didn't even take a flight here by personal Jet of Paul Allen, they went to Denver to try to get him to talk and he wouldn't even give them that time. Manning did not want to be in a controlled offense that was dictated to him, he wanted his offense from the Colts more or less.

It would never have happened with Pete Ball.

Pete beat Payton Manning in the Super Bowl, easily!

Which is it, your playing both sides of the coin.

Oh and the Defense beat Manning in the Super Bowl, like in the first quarter starting with the first play.

The offense just didn't have to lose it really.

 

[getnasty]

3 first round picks wouldn't be enough for me. First of all unless your trading him this year who know what those pick are? Any team Russell is going too probably is drafting 20-32.

Give me Tua, Austin Jackson, 3rd pick in the draft (Penei Sewell) and the 18th pick in the draft and we have a deal

or

Give me Becton, Quinnen Williams, 2nd pick(Zach Wilson) in the draft and 23rd pick in the draft and we have a deal

or

Straight up for DeShaun Watson

those are the 3 deals that make sense to me this year or at least something like those.

I like the creativity. I do have one question; what the heck is Seattle going to do with all of these tackles? For example, you have them taking two elite LT prospects in the Miami deal while LT is arguably our strongest position on offense. Do you foresee them trading Brown as well? Or do you see Sewell as a right tackle?

Can anyone sell me on Tua as a prospect? I watched some videos of him, and he looked like a less athletic version of Russ without the arm strength. Seriously, to my untrained eye, his upside looks like a slightly more athletic version of 40-year-old Drew Brees.

Not sold on Tua either but what quarterback are you sold on until they prove it. Which is why your getting a haul for Russ.

I would trade Brown and shed that cap hit to sign another gaurd or center. Having two elite tackle on either side of your young quarterback with cap space to build the defense would be the only thing that makes sense to me. You could also swap Jackson for Geiski in that deal, since they seem to be coveting TE's now.

 

[John63]

This is about dissatisfaction and Russell's Mortality, there is smoke but not fire, behind the scenes I am sure they are both doing some posturing of sorts and working on things. It's how both sides have operated over the years, only when things hit a wall do you as a player use the Media leverage card to stir the pot. It was calculated I am sure and a statement not to alienate but to draw attention more then anything.

It can go either direction depending on actions going forward by John and Pete, they usually don't hang on to players not bought in no matter who, they will bide time to get a deal they feel is worthwhile however if that's where it goes, won't be what we think is worthwhile I am sure.

They also cannot come out in the media easily with anything much as it could drive the asking price down.

Seahawks are gagged really by Wilson not the other way around.

I agree but I wouldn’t be surprised if the true competition is between Watson & Wilson = which QB is worth more! I wouldn’t acquire Watson you don’t want the face of the franchise tossing the franchise under the bus, it doesn’t matter what Houston did, Houston paid Watson, Watson took the $$, Watson is destroying the Franchise!

If Manning was our QB in 2019 & 2020 he would have beaten Green Bay & LA with the same team RW had. RW has brainwashed everyone into prematurely thinking RW is a HOF QB! Pete & John have to be wondering if RW’s declining play is going to bleed into 2021.

Manning didn't even take a flight here by personal Jet of Paul Allen, they went to Denver to try to get him to talk and he wouldn't even give them that time. Manning did not want to be in a controlled offense that was dictated to him, he wanted his offense from the Colts more or less.

It would never have happened with Pete Ball.

Pete beat Payton Manning in the Super Bowl, easily!

PC did not beat anyone last I checked he is a coach, the player beat Manning in all facets. And again remind me how much suiccess has PC had without Wilson...NONE

 

[John63]

I agree but I wouldn’t be surprised if the true competition is between Watson & Wilson = which QB is worth more! I wouldn’t acquire Watson you don’t want the face of the franchise tossing the franchise under the bus, it doesn’t matter what Houston did, Houston paid Watson, Watson took the $$, Watson is destroying the Franchise!

If Manning was our QB in 2019 & 2020 he would have beaten Green Bay & LA with the same team RW had. RW has brainwashed everyone into prematurely thinking RW is a HOF QB! Pete & John have to be wondering if RW’s declining play is going to bleed into 2021.

Manning didn't even take a flight here by personal Jet of Paul Allen, they went to Denver to try to get him to talk and he wouldn't even give them that time. Manning did not want to be in a controlled offense that was dictated to him, he wanted his offense from the Colts more or less.

It would never have happened with Pete Ball.

Pete beat Payton Manning in the Super Bowl, easily!

Which is it, your playing both sides of the coin.

Oh and the Defense beat Manning in the Super Bowl, like in the first quarter starting with the first play.

The offense just didn't have to lose it really.

The offense beat Manning without the defenses points all the defense had to do was play okay since you want to down play the contributions of the other parts of the team

 

[getnasty]

I agree but I wouldn’t be surprised if the true competition is between Watson & Wilson = which QB is worth more! I wouldn’t acquire Watson you don’t want the face of the franchise tossing the franchise under the bus, it doesn’t matter what Houston did, Houston paid Watson, Watson took the $$, Watson is destroying the Franchise!

If Manning was our QB in 2019 & 2020 he would have beaten Green Bay & LA with the same team RW had. RW has brainwashed everyone into prematurely thinking RW is a HOF QB! Pete & John have to be wondering if RW’s declining play is going to bleed into 2021.

Manning didn't even take a flight here by personal Jet of Paul Allen, they went to Denver to try to get him to talk and he wouldn't even give them that time. Manning did not want to be in a controlled offense that was dictated to him, he wanted his offense from the Colts more or less.

It would never have happened with Pete Ball.

Pete beat Payton Manning in the Super Bowl, easily!

PC did not beat anyone last I checked he is a coach, the player beat Manning in all facets. And again remind me how much suiccess has PC had without Wilson...NONE

Yeah Pete's only responsible for losses.

 

[John63]

Manning didn't even take a flight here by personal Jet of Paul Allen, they went to Denver to try to get him to talk and he wouldn't even give them that time. Manning did not want to be in a controlled offense that was dictated to him, he wanted his offense from the Colts more or less.

It would never have happened with Pete Ball.

Pete beat Payton Manning in the Super Bowl, easily!

PC did not beat anyone last I checked he is a coach, the player beat Manning in all facets. And again remind me how much suiccess has PC had without Wilson...NONE

Yeah Pete's only responsible for losses.

Not the point, I give PC full credit for putting together the team that won the SB. I also give him full credit for what he is doing to the team now or actually has not done. But to say Pete beat Manning would be wrong. He put the team together that beat Manning, and he deserves credit for that.

 

[Bigpumpkin]

Seriously......what are the Hawks going to do with three 1st Round picks? Based on our past 1st Rounders, we'd be lucky to find one starter!! :stirthepot:

 

[FresnoHawk52]

Pete beat Payton Manning in the Super Bowl, easily!

PC did not beat anyone last I checked he is a coach, the player beat Manning in all facets. And again remind me how much suiccess has PC had without Wilson...NONE

Yeah Pete's only responsible for losses.

Not the point, I give PC full credit for putting together the team that won the SB. I also give him full credit for what he is doing to the team now or actually has not done. But to say Pete beat Manning would be wrong. He put the team together that beat Manning, and he deserves credit for that.

Manning was scared the Denver Offense was scared!

 

[John63]

The funniest part is the OP is wrong JS has not said anything, it's all click bait media guessing.

 

[TwistedHusky]

Hoping John is right on this one.

Because, if what was alluded to by the other poster is true...the both sides are taking passive-aggressive shots at each other through the media? Then JS is terminally stupid.

He gets credit for finding Russ. And most of his success is due to wins delivered through that find.

So running off your golden goose would be moronic.

Make your QB happy. Period.

Will that keep him here forever? No. But it keeps the music playing and it keeps the party going. When those end, it is going to be unpleasant.

Wilson is more important than Carroll, and arguably as important as JS right now. He needs to be given the keys because there is no alternative that results in any kind of success in the playoffs otherwise.

 

[Own The West]

I'm wondering if Russ is coachable. If his head has gotten too big for this team. If he only wants to throw deep balls to his "best friend" DK to pad his stats and be like Drew Brees (who also only won one SB).

In the last half of the season we saw him refuse to use his outlets and take sacks/throw pics waiting on something down field that the defense was focused on taking away. That's dumb/arrogant. It also got his OC whom he liked fired. Then he called out his OL -- even though he is in the top 5-10 QBs for holding the ball every year -- like they are the problem.

I'm good with 3 first round picks and pumping 30M+ back into the roster. We can win another superbowl with an Alex Smith type QB that takes what he's given. I don't think we can win with a prima donna QB that wants to force things and blame others in order to boost the legacy of his stats. I want a legacy of W's.

 

[GaiusMarius]

With today's news I see that as a blow to the "nothing to see here" camp.
I think there's something going on. That doesn't mean that Wilson will leave. There are huge challenges to trading him, even if you wanted to. But there's only so many puffs of smoke that you can ignore.

 

[TwistedHusky]

It isn't likely that Russ is not coachable.

More likely he just isn't going to listen to terrible coaching. Big difference.

Remember, he started his career at Wisconsin because some moron thought he shouldn't be starting vs some other guy that turned into a stiff in the NFL.

He has learned that coaches are not immutable sages. And in fact, they can be full of terrible outdated ideas that hold a team back (which is likely happening now).

He is pushing back against a bad coach. A coach he has been propping up for years that never seems to learn, adjust, or in any way adapt to the realities of this new NFL.

Completely justified.

He seems tired of being this barrier between success and failure that is the main thing keeping Carroll in the win column.

Trading him away just leaves you with a coach that has never proven he can even win without Wilson, at least in the NFL.

 

[FresnoHawk52]

I'm wondering if Russ is coachable. If his head has gotten too big for this team. If he only wants to throw deep balls to his "best friend" DK to pad his stats and be like Drew Brees (who also only won one SB).

In the last half of the season we saw him refuse to use his outlets and take sacks/throw pics waiting on something down field that the defense was focused on taking away. That's dumb/arrogant. It also got his OC whom he liked fired. Then he called out his OL -- even though he is in the top 5-10 QBs for holding the ball every year -- like they are the problem.

I'm good with 3 first round picks and pumping 30M+ back into the roster. We can win another superbowl with an Alex Smith type QB that takes what he's given. I don't think we can win with a prima donna QB that wants to force things and blame others in order to boost the legacy of his stats. I want a legacy of W's.

It won’t be 30 million, Seattle doesn’t need 30 Million, 10 million will do.