General thoughts 8 games in

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I always thought this season would be a dress rehearsal for the coming years. You cannot overturn an entire roster to implement a new scheme without essentially tanking a season and I don't think anyone in the executive suite wants that. So a brand new head coach with 2 brand new coordinators implementing a brand new scheme to a mostly pre-constructed roster would have some bumps. 4-4 with a couple ass kickings from more physical teams seems right. How they grow from this into next year is much more important to me than how this season goes record wise. At this point, it is clear the roster IS NOT physical enough.

And with that said, I have a feeling the roster will look a lot different next year come training camp and I hope they attack both starters and depth with the same cutthroat approach they did in 2011. The one thing I picked up on from MM's introductory conferences was the need to be physical at the LOS. Controlling the trenches was critically important to him. On both sides of the ball, this team cannot do that. They get run all over, they cannot run block, and are the worst pass blocking group in the NFL. For the OL - it makes sense, JS has for a decade skimped on the positional unit, taking flash over ugly. Dead last in salary commitment, dead last in rankings. I am firmly in the camp of JS's seat getting warm if he refuses to improve that unit. 4 of the 5 current starters should probably be different come week 1 from FA signings and high draft picks. Going into next year with the same guys is inexcusable. K9 is a legit top 10 guy and in 3 games so far, the run game is non existent because the DL so severely overwhelms this OL.

The DL/front 7 is interesting because there actually is talent there but something is broken. Today wasn't an anomaly where the RB goes 6 yards untouched consistently, it is way too common. MM has said he feels the DL is mostly doing their job, so why are there constantly big run lanes? Scheme errors? Run fit mistakes? To me it points to the LB group and to an extent safeties at the second level. Overall I felt Jones was 100% an upgrade over Baker and him being a step out of place is understandable with only 4 days on the team. Don't think Dodson will be returning. It may just be that although talented, some of the guys simply aren't good scheme fits and they'll need to shuffle.

DK's agent got a nice gift today showcasing what the Seahawks offense looks like without him demanding double teams all day. 200ish yards is bad enough and most came from the final TD drive in meaningless minutes. I've never wanted him gone, sure would love those 1-2 bonehead plays a game to go away, but a guy with his size/speed who can lineup everywhere and manhandle DBs in the run game is impossible to replace. This year he's been a consistent 100 yards 1(+) TD asset. Lockett is on his way out, JSN is a wonderful piece but not someone defenses scheme away (yet), and then nothing at WR.

As someone very high on Witherspoon, his season has been extremely disappointing to me. His jawing down 31-10 on essentially a dump off really bugged me. Especially when he did it to a guy who went 9 for 107 on them and routinely beat the secondary. He was the 3rd overall pick and came in expected to be all over the field making plays. He's been 'in position' this year but I cannot recall many times he flashed. There just aren't many guys putting the team on their back and saying I got this; he was expected to be and isn't.

Next week will be interesting. McVay learned how to consistently beat Pete's defense by the end but isn't a physical/mauling style. I could see the defense playing better like they did against the Falcons.
 
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I always thought this season would be a dress rehearsal for the coming years. You cannot overturn an entire roster to implement a new scheme without essentially tanking a season and I don't think anyone in the executive suite wants that. So a brand new head coach with 2 brand new coordinators implementing a brand new scheme to a mostly pre-constructed roster would have some bumps. 4-4 with a couple ass kickings from more physical teams seems right. How they grow from this into next year is much more important to me than how this season goes record wise. At this point, it is clear the roster IS NOT physical enough.

And with that said, I have a feeling the roster will look a lot different next year come training camp and I hope they attack both starters and depth with the same cutthroat approach they did in 2011. The one thing I picked up on from MM's introductory conferences was the need to be physical at the LOS. Controlling the trenches was critically important to him. On both sides of the ball, this team cannot do that. They get run all over, they cannot run block, and are the worst pass blocking group in the NFL. For the OL - it makes sense, JS has for a decade skimped on the positional unit, taking flash over ugly. Dead last in salary commitment, dead last in rankings. I am firmly in the camp of JS's seat getting warm if he refuses to improve that unit. 4 of the 5 current starters should probably be different come week 1 from FA signings and high draft picks. Going into next year with the same guys is inexcusable. K9 is a legit top 10 guy and in 3 games so far, the run game is non existent because the DL so severely overwhelms this OL.

The DL/front 7 is interesting because there actually is talent there but something is broken. Today wasn't an anomaly where the RB goes 6 yards untouched consistently, it is way too common. MM has said he feels the DL is mostly doing their job, so why are there constantly big run lanes? Scheme errors? Run fit mistakes? To me it points to the LB group and to an extent safeties at the second level. Overall I felt Jones was 100% an upgrade over Baker and him being a step out of place is understandable with only 4 days on the team. Don't think Dodson will be returning. It may just be that although talented, some of the guys simply aren't good scheme fits and they'll need to shuffle.

DK's agent got a nice gift today showcasing what the Seahawks offense looks like without him demanding double teams all day. 200ish yards is bad enough and most came from the final TD drive in meaningless minutes. I've never wanted him gone, sure would love those 1-2 bonehead plays a game to go away, but a guy with his size/speed who can lineup everywhere and manhandle DBs in the run game is impossible to replace. This year he's been a consistent 100 yards 1(+) TD asset. Lockett is on his way out, JSN is a wonderful piece but not someone defenses scheme away (yet), and then nothing at WR.

As someone very high on Witherspoon, this season extremely disappointing to me. His jawing down 31-10 on essentially a dump off really bugged me. Especially when he did it to a guy who went 9 for 107 on them and routinely beat the secondary. He was the 3rd overall pick and came in expected to be all over the field making plays. He's been 'in position' this year but I cannot recall many times he flashed. There just aren't many guys putting the team on their back and saying I got this; he was expected to be and isn't.

Next week will be interesting. McVay learned how to consistently beat Pete's defense by the end but isn't a physical/mauling style. I could see the defense playing better like they did against the Falcons.
I give Jones a pass today because he has only been on the team a few days.
 

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And I think Jones had 15 tackles if I saw it right?

Overall solid post OP. 3 of your losses have come against possibly the 3 best teams in football at years end in Detroit, Niners and Buffalo. In two of them you had a chance. Today you got your ass kicked against a much better team.

I’m not giving up on the staff like so many have. It’s going to take some time and in 3 of their 4 losses they were heavy underdogs. You’re going to lose those most of the time.

We haven’t been dominant on either line of scrimmage for years nearing on a decade. Hopefully Mike works with JS and they fix that moving forward. There is only so much you can do in one year. You didn’t have a second round pick because it got traded away, you’re paying guys who aren’t on the team big money right now and it’s just going to take some time.
 

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Walker 9 carries for 12 yards

Charbonnet 3 carries for 4 yards

Geno 5 Carries for 16 yards
 

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The one thing I want to mention as a criticism of Macdonald is his scheme and the run defense. Seems like the strength of it is when the offense is on a 3rd down pass rush situation but either it's the players talent or his scheme being an issue with the run defense. The thing I don't like most is that on short yardage situations the defense is not close enough to the line of scrimmage, mainly the safeties. The play I wanted to highlight was Allen's 3rd down and 3 run to the left through the hole for the first down. The safeties were playing way back, it's almost like an easy gift for the offense since there is no run support when their ALWAYS should be. You don't gift them that. And if the talent isn't there on run stoppage he needs to adjust and load the box more to help out even at the expense of a big play over the top, gotta make the offenses fight for yardage.
 

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College style offense. Lol. Should have kept Bevell after all these years IMO. Dolphins have one of the better scoring offenses every year Bevell has been there. The stats back it up Completion %, Total TD's, Passing Rating, and Yds/Att. Dude can still coach an NFL offense.
The problem with college style offenses in the NFL is when it doesnt work it really doesn't work. You'll have games where you put up 35+ then have games like today. Youre easier to figure out too. Thats why the offense started out so hot but now is cold. Theres no running game whatsoever they play like the goal is to throw for the most passing yards wins the game.
 
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What can you say, with a 4 and 4 record? They are doing some good things, and they are doing some bad things. We do know at the start of the season, Mike McDonald thought, the team is exactly where it needs to be at that moment.

It took Pete Carroll 4 years to make it to the Super Bowl, it took Mike Holmgren 8 years, so I'm gonna give Mike McDonald at least two years, before I can evaluate him in any meaningful way. Right now, if I was being honest, I would give him a B.

As far as the team, I think it's unbalanced, and some tough decisions need to be made moving forward, but overall, nothing to bad. I hope the Seahawks steer clear from any more big contracts, until the team is rolling.
 

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This team needs an offensive line. Can’t run the ball inside the tackles. We are one dimensional. This problem will not go away this season.
This team has not had a great O line in years. That's on Scheider. They had issues the last two years Pete coached.

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What are you gonna do when you make 3-4 game losing plays? The Bills drop it by their end zone and the QB kicks it 20 yards up field. We were at home too where we seem very vulnerable.
 

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I always thought this season would be a dress rehearsal for the coming years. You cannot overturn an entire roster to implement a new scheme without essentially tanking a season and I don't think anyone in the executive suite wants that. So a brand new head coach with 2 brand new coordinators implementing a brand new scheme to a mostly pre-constructed roster would have some bumps. 4-4 with a couple ass kickings from more physical teams seems right. How they grow from this into next year is much more important to me than how this season goes record wise. At this point, it is clear the roster IS NOT physical enough.

And with that said, I have a feeling the roster will look a lot different next year come training camp and I hope they attack both starters and depth with the same cutthroat approach they did in 2011. The one thing I picked up on from MM's introductory conferences was the need to be physical at the LOS. Controlling the trenches was critically important to him. On both sides of the ball, this team cannot do that. They get run all over, they cannot run block, and are the worst pass blocking group in the NFL. For the OL - it makes sense, JS has for a decade skimped on the positional unit, taking flash over ugly. Dead last in salary commitment, dead last in rankings. I am firmly in the camp of JS's seat getting warm if he refuses to improve that unit. 4 of the 5 current starters should probably be different come week 1 from FA signings and high draft picks. Going into next year with the same guys is inexcusable. K9 is a legit top 10 guy and in 3 games so far, the run game is non existent because the DL so severely overwhelms this OL.

The DL/front 7 is interesting because there actually is talent there but something is broken. Today wasn't an anomaly where the RB goes 6 yards untouched consistently, it is way too common. MM has said he feels the DL is mostly doing their job, so why are there constantly big run lanes? Scheme errors? Run fit mistakes? To me it points to the LB group and to an extent safeties at the second level. Overall I felt Jones was 100% an upgrade over Baker and him being a step out of place is understandable with only 4 days on the team. Don't think Dodson will be returning. It may just be that although talented, some of the guys simply aren't good scheme fits and they'll need to shuffle.

DK's agent got a nice gift today showcasing what the Seahawks offense looks like without him demanding double teams all day. 200ish yards is bad enough and most came from the final TD drive in meaningless minutes. I've never wanted him gone, sure would love those 1-2 bonehead plays a game to go away, but a guy with his size/speed who can lineup everywhere and manhandle DBs in the run game is impossible to replace. This year he's been a consistent 100 yards 1(+) TD asset. Lockett is on his way out, JSN is a wonderful piece but not someone defenses scheme away (yet), and then nothing at WR.

As someone very high on Witherspoon, his season has been extremely disappointing to me. His jawing down 31-10 on essentially a dump off really bugged me. Especially when he did it to a guy who went 9 for 107 on them and routinely beat the secondary. He was the 3rd overall pick and came in expected to be all over the field making plays. He's been 'in position' this year but I cannot recall many times he flashed. There just aren't many guys putting the team on their back and saying I got this; he was expected to be and isn't.

Next week will be interesting. McVay learned how to consistently beat Pete's defense by the end but isn't a physical/mauling style. I could see the defense playing better like they did against the Falcons.
You may have stumbled across the wrong forum. That was thoughtful, insightful and realistic
 

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My overall thoughts are this:

This team has two fundamental issues but isn't nearly as bad as people seem to think after every loss and aren't nearly as far away from competing as people seem to think, either.

We know what the persistent issues are on offense (the OL primarily, Grubb's play-calling secondarily) and defense (the second level with the LBs, injuries) but what I think stands out the most to me is how much every game--even this one--seem to turn on these kind of like fluke plays/breakdowns.


This was the only game where we have been thoroughly blown out, but even in this one, the game gets away from us on these one or two crazy moments that we just seem to be lacking something to get past. I think part of this comes down to the lack of experience on coaching.

I think we make some lackluster decisions trying too desperately to get back into the game (I think we need to make it an organizational philosophy to 'just take the points' until further notice) and we don't have the culture installed yet to get past these moments.

But I'm not sure that's entirely fatal and I'm not sure I buy that we can't get past this in this season.

I think it's important to remember that this is a season where we still have yet to have a losing record and we have been leading the division for most of it and yet, come on here after a loss and you'd think we were the freakin' Carolina Panthers.
 

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This team has not had a great O line in years. That's on Scheider. They had issues the last two years Pete coached.

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It’s not like Schneider did nothing to improve it. He went out and drafted one of best guards in the class. He brought in Fant. He signed a top C who has gotten better mostly as the season has gone on. He brought in a guard to be a leader and mentor. Just because it hasn’t worked out doesn’t mean he isn’t trying to improve it. O lines take time to gel and ours has still not been together for a full game all year
 

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I'm probably not as smart as you guys are but this team stinks. Put Howell in there and just chuck it 55 times a game because we don't even have a plan at this point. When u look this bad you have to make change for the sake of change. It's not like the players are gonna learn how to be better athletes. AND were we playing man coverage early on and it looked good? Now we do zone that allows 6 to 8 yards right away? Sub 500 team. Hard to watch.
 
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