General thoughts 8 games in

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Pete having final say doesn't mean that he didn't delegate general manager duties to the general manager he hired.
After a decade it had to factor in at least a little? It’s obvious Pete deserves some blame too. We know he had veto power and used it at times as was leaked. John made the comment he’s excited to get to do this on his own (while still be super respectful to Pete of course).

The idea that Pete would let something be bad for ten years and do nothing is actually a worse look for Pete. He did have some say and I think it’s at least reasonable to wonder how it’s going to look without him and just John calling the shots.

Again you could be right, I just think it’s slightly less likely that Pete wasn’t involved in personnel at all.
 

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As if JS had zero agency in that dynamic. I refuse to believe it.
No one is arguing zero though. People are arguing at least some of it is on Pete too.

Someone did argue that Pete had zero agency in that dynamic and I think that’s just as unlikely.
 

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I always thought this season would be a dress rehearsal for the coming years. You cannot overturn an entire roster to implement a new scheme without essentially tanking a season and I don't think anyone in the executive suite wants that. So a brand new head coach with 2 brand new coordinators implementing a brand new scheme to a mostly pre-constructed roster would have some bumps. 4-4 with a couple ass kickings from more physical teams seems right. How they grow from this into next year is much more important to me than how this season goes record wise. At this point, it is clear the roster IS NOT physical enough.

And with that said, I have a feeling the roster will look a lot different next year come training camp and I hope they attack both starters and depth with the same cutthroat approach they did in 2011. The one thing I picked up on from MM's introductory conferences was the need to be physical at the LOS. Controlling the trenches was critically important to him. On both sides of the ball, this team cannot do that. They get run all over, they cannot run block, and are the worst pass blocking group in the NFL. For the OL - it makes sense, JS has for a decade skimped on the positional unit, taking flash over ugly. Dead last in salary commitment, dead last in rankings. I am firmly in the camp of JS's seat getting warm if he refuses to improve that unit. 4 of the 5 current starters should probably be different come week 1 from FA signings and high draft picks. Going into next year with the same guys is inexcusable. K9 is a legit top 10 guy and in 3 games so far, the run game is non existent because the DL so severely overwhelms this OL.

The DL/front 7 is interesting because there actually is talent there but something is broken. Today wasn't an anomaly where the RB goes 6 yards untouched consistently, it is way too common. MM has said he feels the DL is mostly doing their job, so why are there constantly big run lanes? Scheme errors? Run fit mistakes? To me it points to the LB group and to an extent safeties at the second level. Overall I felt Jones was 100% an upgrade over Baker and him being a step out of place is understandable with only 4 days on the team. Don't think Dodson will be returning. It may just be that although talented, some of the guys simply aren't good scheme fits and they'll need to shuffle.

DK's agent got a nice gift today showcasing what the Seahawks offense looks like without him demanding double teams all day. 200ish yards is bad enough and most came from the final TD drive in meaningless minutes. I've never wanted him gone, sure would love those 1-2 bonehead plays a game to go away, but a guy with his size/speed who can lineup everywhere and manhandle DBs in the run game is impossible to replace. This year he's been a consistent 100 yards 1(+) TD asset. Lockett is on his way out, JSN is a wonderful piece but not someone defenses scheme away (yet), and then nothing at WR.

As someone very high on Witherspoon, his season has been extremely disappointing to me. His jawing down 31-10 on essentially a dump off really bugged me. Especially when he did it to a guy who went 9 for 107 on them and routinely beat the secondary. He was the 3rd overall pick and came in expected to be all over the field making plays. He's been 'in position' this year but I cannot recall many times he flashed. There just aren't many guys putting the team on their back and saying I got this; he was expected to be and isn't.

Next week will be interesting. McVay learned how to consistently beat Pete's defense by the end but isn't a physical/mauling style. I could see the defense playing better like they did against the Falcons.
A lot of hard truths in this.

I completely agree.
 

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It’s not like Schneider did nothing to improve it. He went out and drafted one of best guards in the class. He brought in Fant. He signed a top C who has gotten better mostly as the season has gone on. He brought in a guard to be a leader and mentor. Just because it hasn’t worked out doesn’t mean he isn’t trying to improve it. O lines take time to gel and ours has still not been together for a full game all year
I mean, yeah that's probably true...you could say the same for Carroll. You could say that Carroll changed his D and his O, trying to go along with the times. The question is, is that an excuse? Obviously not for Carroll, so why should it be for Schneider?

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Regardless of yesterdays poor showing the fact remains that until they build and develop an even league average O Line and can play cohesive consistent defence week in and week out this team will flounder somewhere in the middle. They have just enough talent to be a middling team but lack what it truly takes to become a contender. I don’t know what the plan is moving forwards but this perpetual cycle of mediocrity for the last 4-5 years doesn’t inspire any confidence in this fan. Oh, and Geno Smith just ain’t it. He can beat average to below average teams but stinks against superior competition.
 

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They have been a .500 level team for 3 years with a HOF coach who people thought was doing such a good job it was a massive mistake to move on from him. A rookie coach is having the exact same results and he's terrible and should be fired. I can't make any of this make sense.
 

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I always thought this season would be a dress rehearsal for the coming years. You cannot overturn an entire roster to implement a new scheme without essentially tanking a season and I don't think anyone in the executive suite wants that. So a brand new head coach with 2 brand new coordinators implementing a brand new scheme to a mostly pre-constructed roster would have some bumps. 4-4 with a couple ass kickings from more physical teams seems right. How they grow from this into next year is much more important to me than how this season goes record wise. At this point, it is clear the roster IS NOT physical enough.

And with that said, I have a feeling the roster will look a lot different next year come training camp and I hope they attack both starters and depth with the same cutthroat approach they did in 2011. The one thing I picked up on from MM's introductory conferences was the need to be physical at the LOS. Controlling the trenches was critically important to him. On both sides of the ball, this team cannot do that. They get run all over, they cannot run block, and are the worst pass blocking group in the NFL. For the OL - it makes sense, JS has for a decade skimped on the positional unit, taking flash over ugly. Dead last in salary commitment, dead last in rankings. I am firmly in the camp of JS's seat getting warm if he refuses to improve that unit. 4 of the 5 current starters should probably be different come week 1 from FA signings and high draft picks. Going into next year with the same guys is inexcusable. K9 is a legit top 10 guy and in 3 games so far, the run game is non existent because the DL so severely overwhelms this OL.

The DL/front 7 is interesting because there actually is talent there but something is broken. Today wasn't an anomaly where the RB goes 6 yards untouched consistently, it is way too common. MM has said he feels the DL is mostly doing their job, so why are there constantly big run lanes? Scheme errors? Run fit mistakes? To me it points to the LB group and to an extent safeties at the second level. Overall I felt Jones was 100% an upgrade over Baker and him being a step out of place is understandable with only 4 days on the team. Don't think Dodson will be returning. It may just be that although talented, some of the guys simply aren't good scheme fits and they'll need to shuffle.

DK's agent got a nice gift today showcasing what the Seahawks offense looks like without him demanding double teams all day. 200ish yards is bad enough and most came from the final TD drive in meaningless minutes. I've never wanted him gone, sure would love those 1-2 bonehead plays a game to go away, but a guy with his size/speed who can lineup everywhere and manhandle DBs in the run game is impossible to replace. This year he's been a consistent 100 yards 1(+) TD asset. Lockett is on his way out, JSN is a wonderful piece but not someone defenses scheme away (yet), and then nothing at WR.

As someone very high on Witherspoon, his season has been extremely disappointing to me. His jawing down 31-10 on essentially a dump off really bugged me. Especially when he did it to a guy who went 9 for 107 on them and routinely beat the secondary. He was the 3rd overall pick and came in expected to be all over the field making plays. He's been 'in position' this year but I cannot recall many times he flashed. There just aren't many guys putting the team on their back and saying I got this; he was expected to be and isn't.

Next week will be interesting. McVay learned how to consistently beat Pete's defense by the end but isn't a physical/mauling style. I could see the defense playing better like they did against the Falcons.
I don't believe they completely turned over the roster. I don't see the roster changes as being very much more then what happens in a normal year. The emphasis was to change coaching... they did that accross the board. It remains to be seen if coaching was the issue IMO.

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I just don't understand how our CAP is capped,if it is and we have apparently some really mediocre players. It's not like we have a generational superstar to pay.. we got nothing
 
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I just don't understand how our CAP is capped,if it is and we have apparently some really mediocre players. It's not like we have a generational superstar to pay.. we got nothing

I think we're paying Jamal and Quandre like $40 million this year to not even be on the team. Two brutal contracts that JS essentially had to eat this season.
 

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I think we're paying Jamal and Quandre like $40 million this year to not even be on the team. Two brutal contracts that JS essentially had to eat this season.
That Quandre contract was horrible, coming off a brutal injury. JS paying him for past performance instead of future performance, which was horrible after he got paid. Loafing on plays, missing tackles, etc.
 

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Don't agree that K-9 is nothing special but think the Hawks Oline can't run block effectively or even reasonably.

The team is still weak defending the run and that is hard to understand given the talent on the DLine.
 

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How though? PC was his “boss” and had final say.
At the very least they probably shared similar thoughts/ideas, which is why they could work together for so long
So its on both of them for past stuff IMO
 

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"We need to establish the run early."

Team comes out passing on it's first three plays, resulting in a 3 and out. You can't make this stuff up.
 

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