If Matt Flynn was QB for 10 years for Seahawks instead of Wilson……………….

[John63]

I dont get what argument you're making; those are hardly bad stats. I'm not even ripping on your boy Russ, which you have an unhealthy obsession with. I'm just saying I think Flynn would have done well with what he had around him. I'm not saying he would have been better than Russ.

Actually those are not good stats at all 85 Passer is not considered good. 17 tds to 11 ints is not considered good.

 

[TwistedHusky]

Was Flynn a starter anywhere else after we got rid of him, maybe a short stint for the Raiders?

It feels like if he had any value, he would have been good somewhere else.

We barely beat the 49ers WITH Wilson (remember the Tip?)
Anyone honestly believe we are even IN that game with Flynn? Of course not.

Plenty of great defenses in history that never made a SB because they had a crappy QB. We would have been another on that list.

 

[Natethegreat]

This entire premise is absurd and a great reflection of where this board is at right now.

 

[scutterhawk]

I still don’t know what you’re trying to argue. Lynch is an all time great. Everyone admits that. Doesn’t make your argument that Russ was an afterthought any better. So enjoy your weekend I’m done arguing about it

Yeah, next time you're out there in left field, don't forget your mitt.
Dude, it's YOU who is the one putting the silly thoughts out there, where in the hell are you getting me saying ANYTHING about Wilson being an "Afterthought" crap???
Throwing crap against the wall to see what sticks, lolol

 

[Ozzy]

Yeah, next time you're out there in left field, don't forget your mitt.
Dude, it's YOU who is the one putting the silly thoughts out there, where in the hell are you getting me saying ANYTHING about Wilson being an "Afterthought" crap???
Throwing crap against the wall to see what sticks, lolol

Sounds good man.

 

[John63]

Sounds good man.

"Welschers "Honestly I think they probably win 2-3 SBs if Flynn was QB. Because that way we stick to the gameplan. Russ made a bunch of boneheaded mistakes in the early years. So with Flynn and without Russ we would have won more.""


Its nice to have dreams but in reality NO Flynn wins nothing except worse FA signing

 

[bmorepunk]

This entire premise is absurd and a great reflection of where this board is at right now.

Some people were always delusional believing that QBs that won't sink your team (or just fall apart at the worst times) are anything but hard to get. The last time the Bears had a good, consistent year to year QB? Sid Luckman. That dude was born 106 years ago. It's just hard.

But over the course of some years now I've seen people act like Russell Wilson isn't one of the best QBs in the league and it just gets extended to how easy it is to replace him (really improbable) or how the team can do just as well (if not better) with Geno Smith or Drew Lock or whatever castoff/burnout is available.

We might get lucky and we might find that person fast. Unfortunately, that's improbable. What's more likely is we get to languish without a QB for years/decades just like the rest of the league.

Which gets us back to the premise of the thread: the Seahawks can build a top level team, then have a Bortles at QB who will just ruin the whole thing.

 

[scutterhawk]

Some people were always delusional believing that QBs that won't sink your team (or just fall apart at the worst times) are anything but hard to get. The last time the Bears had a good, consistent year to year QB? Sid Luckman. That dude was born 106 years ago. It's just hard.

But over the course of some years now I've seen people act like Russell Wilson isn't one of the best QBs in the league and it just gets extended to how easy it is to replace him (really improbable) or how the team can do just as well (if not better) with Geno Smith or Drew Lock or whatever castoff/burnout is available.

We might get lucky and we might find that person fast. Unfortunately, that's improbable. What's more likely is we get to languish without a QB for years/decades just like the rest of the league.

Which gets us back to the premise of the thread: the Seahawks can build a top level team, then have a Bortles at QB who will just ruin the whole thing.

Atta boy, the uplifting spirit we've all come to expect from y'all glass half empty's.
The '1985' Bears >DEFENSE<, along with Jim McMahon, along with 'The Fridge' (not Sid Luckman) got them the Lombardi, nice try though.
'The Iron Curtain' >DEFENSE<
'The Purple People Eaters' >DEFENSE<
'The Orange Crush' >DEFENSE<

Payton Manning UNQUESTIONABLY the Most Prolific Quarterback & who was knocking the crap out of defenses all year long,, and then BAM!! 'The Legion of Boom', Pete's >DEFENSE<'43 TO 8', eh?
That 'TIP & Pick PLAY' in the end zone by Sherman was against Kaepernick, but there were teams that
I'll be the FIRST to admit that even WITH a good Defense, you still need a good Quarterback to keep your team in the conversation, but even having a Top Gun QB guarantees you no Championships I mean how long has it been since Russell Wilson has gotten us one?------Without a good showing from our >DEFENSE<

 

[IndyHawk]

Some people were always delusional believing that QBs that won't sink your team (or just fall apart at the worst times) are anything but hard to get. The last time the Bears had a good, consistent year to year QB? Sid Luckman. That dude was born 106 years ago. It's just hard.

But over the course of some years now I've seen people act like Russell Wilson isn't one of the best QBs in the league and it just gets extended to how easy it is to replace him (really improbable) or how the team can do just as well (if not better) with Geno Smith or Drew Lock or whatever castoff/burnout is available.

We might get lucky and we might find that person fast. Unfortunately, that's improbable. What's more likely is we get to languish without a QB for years/decades just like the rest of the league.

Which gets us back to the premise of the thread: the Seahawks can build a top level team, then have a Bortles at QB who will just ruin the whole thing.

You can get stuck with a QB who is declining rapidly and sink the ship
or cut your losses and try to improve.
Hopefully we get a fine game manager who simply does his job.

 

[Ozzy]

The problem is Indy the league is filled with guys like that who never make it to the SB. Your team has to be absolutely loaded to overcome average game manager QB play to win or even make it. Jimmy G seasons are ultra rare. If you look at the last 10-15 years it’s almost always two very high level QBs. But I also don’t think Russ was a game manager when we went.

I’m not saying that approach is impossible but I think it’s much harder to do than people realize.

 

[scutterhawk]

You can get stuck with a QB who is declining rapidly and sink the ship
or cut your losses and try to improve.
Hopefully we get a fine game manager who simply does his job.

And too Indy, where's the prudence in keeping an uncooperative & disgruntled Quarterback pa$t hi$ Pull Date?
You KNOW that staying with the status quo, that you will CONTINUE to have basically the 'Almost, But Not Quite' the SAME results as you've had for the last few years, OR you do what John & Pete did, Make the Best Trade Deal You Can, and then take those Compensations & do a RELOAD.

 

[John63]

I will say it again this is FLynns career numbers. career the fact that's it should say a lot. He only got to start 7 games in his 6 year career. again says alot

61% complt
2541 yards
17 tds
11 ints
85 passer

 

[bmorepunk]

but even having a Top Gun QB guarantees you no Championships I mean how long has it been since Russell Wilson has gotten us one?------W

When I assert that a "Top Gun QB guarantees you a Championship" or anywhere near it this statement will come in super handy.

 

[jammerhawk]

This entire premise is absurd and a great reflection of where this board is at right now.

I agree!

In the end if Flynn had been the QB for 10 years the Hawks would not have had the successes they had with Wilson. However, for Flynn to have stayed as Seattle’s QB for 10 years he’d have had to be a whole lot better than what he showed as a player. However he didn’t and wasn’t so this thread is rather nonsensical.

It’s deep offseason so there is a lot that passes for a sensible thread, this barely passes muster. Gentlemen as there are far too many in the way of personal attacks and and ad hominem posts here that would at almost any other time be very unacceptable and result in warnings or even possible suspensions from the site.

Gentlemen cease the personal attacks and respond to the posts and not the poster. If this thread doesn’t improve in that regard it will be closed.

 

[BlueTalon]

When I assert that a "Top Gun QB guarantees you a Championship" or anywhere near it this statement will come in super handy.

That made me laugh.

 

[Ozzy]

You can get stuck with a QB who is declining rapidly and sink the ship
or cut your losses and try to improve.
Hopefully we get a fine game manager who simply does his job.

As my emotions have settled on Russ I’m more open to the first part of this for sure. I think he has a couple of monster years left but it if he does decline rapidly and it’s possible, then Seattle did the right thing

 

[Rat]

As my emotions have settled on Russ I’m more open to the first part of this for sure. I think he has a couple of monster years left but it if he does decline rapidly and it’s possible, then Seattle did the right thing

I agree with this. I think itll be seen as a win-win for 1-2 years. The Broncos get an elite leader, we get a chance to rebuild on a realistic timeline. Beyond that, I just dont see Russ aging well, and that's not just a jilted lover thing, I've been saying for a while that I wouldn't want to be the team giving him long-term money.

 

[Ozzy]

I agree with this. I think itll be seen as a win-win for 1-2 years. The Broncos get an elite leader, we get a chance to rebuild on a realistic timeline. Beyond that, I just dont see Russ aging well, and that's not just a jilted lover thing, I've been saying for a while that I wouldn't want to be the team giving him long-term money.

That's a very reasonable take. I just have a gut feeling Russ is going to be really good for a few more years. I think he's a better pocket passer than people give him credit for and Hackett and him will probably come up with some stuff that helps Russ be Russ. But history tells us most guys like Russ tend to fall off.