Grubb gone, Geno?

[WestCoastChippewa]

Why would an OC that's already in the playoffs come to Seattle?

Because there is no salary cap for coaches, Seahawks have deep pockets for their coaching staff.

 

[toffee]

No way in hell Geno is gone unless they want to downgrade to Howell.

I don't understand the logic behind getting rid of Geno at this point in time. That would be like quiting a job you don't like for a worse one with less pay with the hopes the one you want is available in 2 years

Sam Howell? The favorite of "GeNOs" and "anyone but Geno"?

 

[toffee]

One can only hope that Geno will shown the door out of town. Talk about a knucklehead of a qb. Turn over machine in the red zone. It is time to start fresh

Would it be your dream for Schneider to cut Geno, and sign Russell Wilson?

 

[Spin Doctor]

Why would an OC that's already in the playoffs come to Seattle?

Not an established OC necessarily. Coming here would be a downgrade for a potential established OC. For the other offensive staff on those teams, however things are different. The Rams TE coach is a hot OC name, you can also snag passing game coordinators from playoff teams.

 

[Spin Doctor]

Sam Howell? The favorite of GeNOs and anyone but Geno?

Well, if you get off on QB's being sacked, Howell is your man. The guy holds the football for an eternity and a half.

 

[Ozzy]

It’s hard to know how people will view this job. Lots of talented guys at the skill positions but a bad line a middle of the pack QB etc. will be interesting

 

[SoulfishHawk]

That is part of the game.



Cam Newton here breaking down the protection calls and adjustments that happen in a play design before the ball is snapped. A play is only a scaffolding, each play has something called sight adjustments.

Part of the DK routes issues could also be placed on Geno Smith. Either way there seems to be a problem with communication between the two.

To a point

 

[Spin Doctor]

It’s hard to know how people will view this job. Lots of talented guys at the skill positions but a bad line a middle of the pack QB etc. will be interesting

My main point that I was making there is that you hardly ever see lateral moves at OC. The only time you usually see that is if the HC gets fired, or the HC themselves was the offensive mastermind and they have to take a downgrade.

The targets for playoff teams would be your passing game coordinators, your TE coaches, maybe there is a hotshot QB coach you want to poach. Personally, I want experience above all else at this point. Reich, Schottenheimer (if McCarthy gets fired) McCarthy himself, Doug Pederson, Kevin Stefanski, etc, etc.

 

[12thManInTheBox]

Geno is still almost a hefty $40M cap hit if he’s released early… that alone is a bitter enough pill if we don’t have a better option lined up.

This is definitely Year 1 of Mandatory QB of the Future Draft Darts to throw.

Barring any trades - I see Geno as a starter for 1 more year under contract - hopefully grooming a future star.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

People are spoiled. It's been so long since we had truly bad quarterback play (2011) that nobody here knows what it looks like, or has any memory of watching QB's throw receivers right into tackles, or refuse to throw to his outlet routes, or just miss horizontally every. Freakin'. Third. Down. Week. In. And. Week. Out. For. Four. Months. On. End.

I'm ready to let Calgary, James, Toffee, and the rest have their wish. Let the team ride with Jacoby Brissett or something for the sake of saving a little money. Let the stands at Lumen turn red every home game, let our blue chip talent go looking for greener pastures, let everyone enjoy a 59% completion rate every week for four months. All because some people gotta vent over a first-year head coach missing the playoffs. At ten wins.

Fortunately, I doubt that happens. We'll draft someone in '26, but for '25, it'll be Geno, if only because there simply are no alternatives that wouldn't equate to tanking. And if Mike can dredge up league-average protection and scheming, I suspect Geno will remain at this level at worst.

 

[Ozzy]

My main point that I was making there is that you hardly ever see lateral moves at OC. The only time you usually see that is if the HC gets fired, or the HC themselves was the offensive mastermind and they have to take a downgrade.

The targets for playoff teams would be your passing game coordinators, your TE coaches, maybe there is a hotshot QB coach you want to poach. Personally, I want experience above all else at this point. Reich, Schottenheimer (if McCarthy gets fired) McCarthy himself, Doug Pederson, Kevin Stefanski, etc, etc.

I think I lean that way too. Want someone experienced.

 

[Ozzy]

People are spoiled. It's been so long since we had truly bad quarterback play (2011) that nobody here knows what it looks like, or has any memory of watching QB's throw receivers right into tackles, or refuse to throw to his outlet routes, or just miss horizontally every. Freakin'. Third. Down. Week. In. And. Week. Out. For. Four. Months. On. End.

I'm ready to let Calgary, James, Toffee, and the rest have their wish. Let the team ride with Jacoby Brissett or something for the sake of saving a little money. Let the stands at Lumen turn red every home game, let our blue chip talent go looking for greener pastures, let everyone enjoy a 59% completion rate every week for four months. All because some people gotta vent over a first-year head coach missing the playoffs. At ten wins.

Fortunately, I doubt that happens. We'll draft someone in '26, but for '25, it'll be Geno, if only because there simply are no alternatives that wouldn't equate to tanking. And if Mike can dredge up league-average protection and scheming, I suspect Geno will remain at this level at worst.

I think people are smart enough to know what bad quarterback play looks like. They just also know what a mid level QB play looks like too and that’s what Seattle has had. Look at the playoff teams. Every single guy had a better year than Geno and most are elite or near elite guys. Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, Lamar, Goff, Daniels. The next group are guy that also had great years Love, Baker, Darnold or guys who have done it before in Stafford, Russ. The rest Nix had a really good rookie year. Geno you could argue has a worse year than all of these guys. Now you can say that’s solely the line’s fault or Grubbs fault but I don’t think that’s true.

Some people are good with being mediocre and in the new NFL the Seahawks have been that for almost a decade. To become a team that competed you need an elite QB and many don’t think Geno is, he’s turning 35 and doesn’t have very long anyway.

I think you’re partially right, some people are a little too hard on Geno….but the idea that he’s elite is also a little off too to many.

 

[mikeak]

You know what's really ******* stupid? Most of the people here defending Geno aren't high on him. We're just not so dumb as to think the alternatives people float here are better.

Yes, I'm talking about Lock.

This and almost $40M cap hit if they cut him

 

[Ozzy]

This and almost $40M cap hit if they cut him

Yeah I’m not a fan of calling everyone who thinks resigning a 35 year old QB with a 23rd ranked QBR for 40-40 million may not be the best choice as “stupid” but that’s me.

Also are you sure it’s a 40 million dollar cap hit if he’s cut before march?

Also bringing Geno back may be the best move for the team next year. I trust Mike and John to figure it out.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

I think people are smart enough to know what bad quarterback play looks like. They just also know what a mid level QB play looks like too and that’s what Seattle has had.

People are calling for Zach Wilson and Justin Fields, so let's not pretend that everyone is just being perfectly reasonable here.

And for clarity's sake, I'm on record saying don't re-sign him. But that's not the debate here. People want him cut. Right now.

Look at the playoff teams. Every single guy had a better year than Geno and most are elite or near elite guys. Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, Lamar, Goff, Daniels. The next group are guy that also had great years Love, Baker, Darnold or guys who have done it before in Stafford, Russ. The rest Nix had a really good rookie year. Geno you could argue has a worse year than all of these guys. Now you can say that’s solely the line’s fault or Grubbs fault but I don’t think that’s true.

Some people are good with being mediocre and in the new NFL the Seahawks have been that for almost a decade. To become a team that competed you need an elite QB and many don’t think Geno is, he’s turning 35 and doesn’t have very long anyway.

I think you’re partially right, some people are a little too hard on Geno….but the idea that he’s elite is also a little off too to many.

Geno out-passed and out-comp%'d all but Mayfield and Goff, in some cases significantly. That does not happen while being mid.

I trust my eyes. When Grubb spends the season deploying bush-league red zone concepts, tanking the run game, and camping Geno in shotgun all year with Laken Tomlinson getting blown ten yards off the ball every third down, I know what happened. No quarterback in the league has had to do more with less.

I'm plenty cynical. I know what a mediocre QB looks like, I know what one looks like when he's disguised until the playoffs by a strong supporting cast a la 2005 Matt Hasselbeck, I know what Geno looked like in previous years, and I'm happy to call it all out. This is not any of those cases.

You can call him "not quite elite" if you like, but if he were mediocre with THIS supporting cast, we'd have finished 5-12.

 

[Spin Doctor]

I think people are smart enough to know what bad quarterback play looks like. They just also know what a mid level QB play looks like too and that’s what Seattle has had. Look at the playoff teams. Every single guy had a better year than Geno and most are elite or near elite guys. Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, Lamar, Goff, Daniels. The next group are guy that also had great years Love, Baker, Darnold or guys who have done it before in Stafford, Russ. The rest Nix had a really good rookie year. Geno you could argue has a worse year than all of these guys. Now you can say that’s solely the line’s fault or Grubbs fault but I don’t think that’s true.

Some people are good with being mediocre and in the new NFL the Seahawks have been that for almost a decade. To become a team that competed you need an elite QB and many don’t think Geno is, he’s turning 35 and doesn’t have very long anyway.

I think you’re partially right, some people are a little too hard on Geno….but the idea that he’s elite is also a little off too to many.

Exactly where I am right now with everything. Geno isn't as bad of a QB as people are making him out to be. People that were chanting start Howell right when we were in the thick of the playoff race were delusional. Geno is the best we have, but that is also the point of frustration.

Geno Smith is not a bad QB, but he is very inconsistent, specifically without Pete Carroll pulling his jedi mind tricks. He seems to be a victim of his emotions, people laughed at Cam Newton when he would put the towel over his head. Geno does the same thing, he sits there pouting on the sidelines or even jawing with opposing fans. This was his big problem in college too. He was a shoe in to be the Heisman leader, then during the last half of the season he just went off of the deep end.

Smith is such an odd QB, because he definitely has some elite attributes. His accuracy at all levels is elite, his throwing mechanics are as solid as they come, he's not afraid of pressure, though sometimes to his detriment. Geno Smith also has an elite arm, he can sling it into some tight spaces.

The bad? Even during his most productive seasons here, Seattle has had issues scoring in the redzone. He seems to have issues when the field gets condensed and he seems to second guess what he sees. He's doing a lot of double clutching on the football and not pulling the trigger when he should or vise versa in moments that require a bang bang.

He seems to have issues communicating with wide receivers. The wide receivers the the last few seasons have had communication issues. Lots of Smith throwing to areas where he thinks they should be, or maybe the pull a route that they weren't supposed to. There seems to be a disconnect here with his receivers at times and its not just DK, though he's the biggest one. The receiver could be at fault, but it's also the QB's job to properly communicate and get everyone on the same page.

What does all of this mean? These details are what separates the haves from the have nots in the NFL, the elite from the mediocre. Smith isn't bad, but he's also a dead end. I'm not convinced he's ever going to have a season like he did in 2022. Even in that season we saw the same things crop up that people complain about with Geno Smith.

He's not bad, he's a middle of the road QB that can elevate his play to being bottom of the top 10. He's also going to be 35 to start next season and he's had a tendency to get banged up. I don't know how much of a solution a guy like Geno is after he plays out his contract here.

The Vikings were faced with a similar situation with Kirk Cousins and they decided to not re-sign him and go with a rookie and a vet with potential, like Darnold. Re-signing Cousins would be the easy move for them to make for stability reasons, even with the injury. He's going to be our QB for next season, not sure what they intend to do afterwards.

 

[Ozzy]

People are calling for Zach Wilson and Justin Fields, so let's not pretend that everyone is just being perfectly reasonable here.

And for clarity's sake, I'm on record saying don't re-sign him. But that's not the debate here. People want him cut. Right now.


Geno out-passed and out-comp%'d all but Mayfield and Goff, in some cases significantly. That does not happen while being mid.

I trust my eyes. When Grubb spends the season deploying bush-league red zone concepts, tanking the run game, and camping Geno in shotgun all year with Laken Tomlinson getting blown ten yards off the ball every third down, I know what happened. No quarterback in the league has had to do more with less.

I'm plenty cynical. I know what a mediocre QB looks like, I know what one looks like when he's disguised until the playoffs by a strong supporting cast a la 2005 Matt Hasselbeck, I know what Geno looked like in previous years, and I'm happy to call it all out. This is not any of those cases.

You can call him "not quite elite" if you like, but if he were mediocre with THIS supporting cast, we'd have finished 5-12.

This is a solid post but to counter a little. Darnold, Geno and Baker were all considered the Fields,Wilsons etc at one point too.

He was mediocre though. 21-15. QBR, passer rating and EPA all below average, lead the league in red zone picks etc all point to a middle of the pack QB. He also did some good things too especially between the 20’s but no clue how you can have a problem with someone not thinking he’s elite. If he’s elite where do you rank him? I’m assuming top 5-7?

 

[Ozzy]

Spin you nailed how I feel but said it far better than I could’ve.

The Vikings situation is a great example of the why the argument “you can’t get anyone better” is a bad argument in my opinion.

 

[Torc]

He's just stealing an old Browns fan joke. It's literally 20+ years old.

It's not an old joke if you haven't heard it before. I thought it was funny.

 

[BigMeach]

With the lack of better options and the fact they're putting things on Grubb, I think Geno likely stays.

Geno can sling it and if you get a guy who uses the run to open up the pass it could work.

I definitely want a better QB. Where is he though?