Grubb gone, Geno?

[toffee]

QBs and their cap/contracts:

Geno is one of the cheapest vets, he is in the good price/performance category, but at 35yo and seemingly hearing footsteps, he provides limited upside or hope to the fan base.

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Player	Team	Age	Total Value	Avg./Year	Total Guaranteed	Fully Guaranteed	Free Agency
Dak Prescott	Cowboys	32	$240,000,000	$60,000,000	$231,000,000	$129,000,000	2029 Void
Joe Burrow	Bengals	29	$275,000,000	$55,000,000	$219,010,000	$146,510,000	2030 Void
Jordan Love	Packers	27	$220,000,000	$55,000,000	$160,300,000	$100,800,000	2029 Void
Trevor Lawrence	Jaguars	26	$275,000,000	$55,000,000	$200,000,000	$142,000,000	2031 Void
Tua Tagovailoa	Dolphins	27	$212,400,000	$53,100,000	$167,171,000	$93,171,000	2029 Void
Jared Goff	Lions	31	$212,000,000	$53,000,000	$170,611,832	$113,611,832	2029 Void
Justin Herbert	Chargers	27	$262,500,000	$52,500,000	$193,738,375	$133,738,375	2030 UFA
Lamar Jackson	Ravens	28	$260,000,000	$52,000,000	$185,000,000	$135,000,000	2028 Void
Jalen Hurts	Eagles	27	$255,000,000	$51,000,000	$179,304,000	$110,000,000	2029 Void
Kyler Murray	Cardinals	28	$230,500,000	$46,100,000	$160,000,000	$103,300,000	2029 UFA
Deshaun Watson	Browns	30	$230,000,000	$46,000,000	$230,000,000	$230,000,000	2027 Void
Kirk Cousins	Falcons	37	$180,000,000	$45,000,000	$100,000,000	$90,000,000	2028 UFA
Patrick Mahomes	Chiefs	30	$450,000,000	$45,000,000	$141,000,000	$63,081,905	2032 Void
Josh Allen	Bills	29	$258,000,000	$43,000,000	$150,000,000	$100,000,000	2029 UFA
Matt Stafford	Rams	37	$160,000,000	$40,000,000	$135,000,000	$63,000,000	2027 UFA
Aaron Rodgers	Jets	42	$112,500,000	$37,500,000	$75,000,000	$75,000,000	2026 Void
Derek Carr	Saints	34	$150,000,000	$37,500,000	$100,000,000	$60,000,000	2027 Void
Baker Mayfield	Buccaneers	30	$100,000,000	$33,333,333	$50,000,000	$40,000,000	2027 Void
Geno Smith	Seahawks	35	$75,000,000	$25,000,000	$40,000,000	$27,300,000	2026 UFA
Gardner Minshew	Raiders	29	$25,000,000	$12,500,000	$15,000,000	$15,000,000	2026 Void
Sam Darnold	Vikings	28	$10,000,000	$10,000,000	$8,750,000	$8,750,000	2025 Void
Caleb Williams	Bears	24	$39,486,058	$9,871,515	$39,486,058	$39,486,058	2028 UFA
Bryce Young	Panthers	24	$37,955,074	$9,488,769	$37,955,074	$37,955,074	2027 UFA
Jayden Daniels	Commanders	25	$37,746,650	$9,436,663	$37,746,650	$37,746,650	2028 UFA
Drake Maye	Patriots	23	$36,639,764	$9,159,941	$36,639,764	$36,639,764	2028 UFA
C.J. Stroud	Texans	24	$36,279,246	$9,069,812	$36,279,246	$36,279,246	2027 UFA
Zach Wilson	Broncos	26	$35,150,680	$8,787,695	$35,150,680	$35,150,680	2025 UFA
Trey Lance	Cowboys	25	$34,105,258	$8,526,315	$34,105,258	$34,105,258	2025 UFA
Anthony Richardson	Colts	24	$33,994,030	$8,498,508	$33,994,030	$33,994,030	2027 UFA
Jacoby Brissett	Patriots	33	$8,000,000	$8,000,000	$6,500,000	$6,500,000	2025 UFA
Tyrod Taylor	Jets	36	$12,000,000	$6,000,000	$8,500,000	$8,500,000	2026 Void
Marcus Mariota	Commanders	32	$6,000,000	$6,000,000	$5,390,000	$5,390,000	2025 UFA
Michael Penix Jr.	Falcons	25	$22,882,636	$5,720,659	$22,882,636	$22,882,636	2028 UFA
J.J. McCarthy	Vikings	22	$21,854,796	$5,463,699	$21,854,796	$21,854,796	2028 UFA
Jarrett Stidham	Broncos	29	$10,000,000	$5,000,000	$5,000,000	$5,000,000	2025 UFA
Drew Lock	Giants	29	$5,000,000	$5,000,000	$4,950,000	$4,950,000	2025 UFA
Andy Dalton	Panthers	38	$10,000,000	$5,000,000	$8,000,000	$8,000,000	2025 Void
Justin Fields	Steelers	26	$18,871,952	$4,717,988	$18,871,952	$18,871,952	2025 UFA
Bo Nix	Broncos	25	$18,613,166	$4,653,292	$18,613,166	$18,613,166	2028 UFA
Joe Flacco	Colts	40	$4,500,000	$4,500,000	$4,500,000	$4,500,000	2025 UFA
Davis Mills	Texans	27	$8,116,000	$4,058,000	$6,316,000	$6,316,000	2026 UFA
Jameis Winston	Browns	31	$4,000,000	$4,000,000	$4,000,000	$4,000,000	2025 Void
Mac Jones	Jaguars	27	$15,586,340	$3,896,585	$15,586,340	$15,586,340	2025 UFA
Kenny Pickett	Eagles	27	$14,067,904	$3,516,976	$14,067,904	$14,067,904	2026 UFA
Jimmy Garoppolo	Rams	34	$3,178,750	$3,178,750	$3,178,750	$3,178,750	2025 UFA
Case Keenum	Texans	37	$6,250,000	$3,125,000	$4,000,000	$4,000,000	2025 UFA
Mason Rudolph	Titans	30	$2,870,000	$2,870,000	$2,700,000	$2,700,000	2025 UFA
Easton Stick	Chargers	30	$2,667,500	$2,667,500	$1,417,500	$1,414,700	2025 UFA
Mitchell Trubisky	Bills	31	$5,250,000	$2,625,000	$3,710,000	$2,710,000	2026 UFA
Taylor Heinicke	Chargers	32	$2,530,000	$2,530,000	$1,320,000	$1,320,000	2025 UFA
Cooper Rush	Cowboys	32	$5,000,000	$2,500,000	$2,750,000	$2,750,000	2025 UFA
Carson Wentz	Chiefs	33	$2,500,000	$2,500,000	$2,200,000	$2,200,000	2025 UFA
Will Levis	Titans	26	$9,542,162	$2,385,541	$8,730,957	$8,730,957	2027 UFA
Joshua Dobbs	49ers	30	$2,250,000	$2,250,000	$2,250,000	$2,250,000	2025 UFA
Brandon Allen	49ers	33	$2,020,000	$2,020,000	$700,000	$700,000	2025 UFA
Nick Mullens	Vikings	30	$1,900,000	$1,900,000	$0	$0	2025 UFA
Hendon Hooker	Lions	27	$5,719,028	$1,429,757	$1,159,292	$1,159,292	2027 UFA
Kyle Trask	Buccaneers	27	$5,535,336	$1,383,834	$2,957,306	$2,957,306	2025 UFA
Josh Johnson	Ravens	39	$1,377,500	$1,377,500	$1,152,500	$1,152,500	2025 UFA
C.J. Beathard	Jaguars	32	$1,310,000	$1,310,000	$100,000	$100,000	2025 UFA
Kyle Allen	Steelers	29	$1,292,500	$1,292,500	$167,500	$167,500	2025 UFA
Malik Willis	Packers	26	$5,160,100	$1,290,025	$932,800	$932,800	2026 UFA
Russell Wilson	Steelers	37	$1,210,000	$1,210,000	$1,210,000	$1,210,000	2025 UFA
Teddy Bridgewater	Lions	33	$1,210,000	$1,210,000	$0	$0	2025 UFA
Jeff Driskel	Commanders	32	$1,150,000	$1,150,000	$150,000	$150,000	2025 UFA
Jake Haener	Saints	26	$4,544,812	$1,136,203	$704,812	$704,812	2027 UFA
Stetson Bennett	Rams	28	$4,539,132	$1,134,783	$699,132	$699,132	2027 RFA
Brett Rypien	Vikings	29	$1,125,000	$1,125,000	$0	$0	2025 UFA
Tim Boyle	Giants	31	$1,125,000	$1,125,000	$0	$0	2025 UFA
Mike White	Bills	30	$1,125,000	$1,125,000	$0	$0	2025 UFA
Will Grier	Cowboys	30	$1,125,000	$1,125,000	$0	$0	2025 UFA
Tyler Huntley	Dolphins	27	$1,125,000	$1,125,000	$0	$0	2025 UFA
Spencer Rattler	Saints	25	$4,356,480	$1,089,120	$336,480	$336,480	2028 UFA
Aidan O'Connell	Raiders	27	$4,349,380	$1,087,345	$509,380	$509,380	2027 UFA
Jordan Travis	Jets	25	$4,274,276	$1,068,569	$254,276	$254,276	2028 RFA
Joe Milton III	Patriots	25	$4,203,316	$1,050,829	$183,316	$183,316	2028 UFA
Clayton Tune	Cardinals	26	$4,190,624	$1,047,656	$350,624	$350,624	2027 UFA
Dorian Thompson-Robinson	Browns	26	$4,182,268	$1,045,567	$342,268	$342,268	2027 UFA
Shane Buechele	Bills	27	$1,025,000	$1,025,000	$40,000	$40,000	2025 RFA
Ian Book	Eagles	27	$2,015,000	$1,007,500	$0	$0	2026 RFA
Tanner McKee	Eagles	25	$4,026,520	$1,006,630	$186,520	$186,520	2027 UFA
Sam Howell	Seahawks	25	$4,021,600	$1,005,400	$361,600	$361,600	2026 UFA
Bailey Zappe	Browns	26	$985,000	$985,000	$0	$0	2025 RFA
Desmond Ridder	Raiders	26	$985,000	$985,000	$0	$0	2025 RFA
Feleipe Franks	Panthers	28	$985,000	$985,000	$0	$0	2025 UFA
Jaren Hall	Seahawks	27	$1,945,000	$972,500	$0	$0	2026 ERFA
Jake Browning	Bengals	29	$1,945,000	$972,500	$0	$0	2026 RFA
Brock Purdy	49ers	26	$3,737,012	$934,253	$77,012	$77,012	2026 UFA
Tyson Bagent	Bears	25	$2,720,000	$906,667	$25,000	$25,000	2026 RFA
Sam Ehlinger	Colts	27	$3,610,704	$902,676	$130,704	$130,704	2025 UFA
Jack Plummer	Panthers	26	$1,755,000	$877,500	$0	$0	2026 ERFA
Carter Bradley	Raiders	25	$1,755,000	$877,500	$0	$0	2026 ERFA
Tommy DeVito	Giants	27	$1,665,000	$832,500	$0	$0	2025 ERFA
John Rhys Plumlee	Seahawks	24	$795,000	$795,000	$0	$0	2025 ERFA
Daniel Jones	Vikings	28	$383,400	$383,400	$0	$0	2025 SFA
Trevor Siemian	Titans	34	$302,400	$302,400	$0	$0	2025 SFA
John Wolford	Jaguars	30	$302,400	$302,400	$0	$0	2025 SFA
Nathan Peterman	Falcons	31	$302,400	$302,400	$0	$0	2025 SFA
Logan Woodside	Bengals	30	$302,400	$302,400	$0	$0	2025 SFA
Sean Clifford	Packers	27	$301,666	$301,666	$0	$0	2025 SFA
Michael Pratt	Buccaneers	24	$288,334	$288,334	$0	$0	2025 SFA
Adrian Martinez	Jets	25	$256,667	$256,667	$0	$0	2025 SFA
Austin Reed	Bears	25	$225,000	$225,000	$0	$0	2025 SFA
Tanner Mordecai	49ers	26	$225,000	$225,000	$0	$0	2025 SFA
Jake Fromm	Lions	27	$225,000	$225,000	$0	$0	2025 SFA
Kedon Slovis	Texans	24	$225,000	$225,000	$0	$0	2025 SFA
Jason Bean	Colts	26	$225,000	$225,000	$0	$0	2025 SFA
Chris Oladokun	Chiefs	28	$225,000	$225,000	$0	$0	2025 SFA
Emory Jones	Falcons	25	$225,000	$225,000	$0	$0	2025 SFA
Sam Hartman	Commanders	26	$225,000	$225,000	$0	$0	2025 SFA
Jake Luton	Raiders	29	$225,000	$225,000	$0	$0	2025 SFA
Ben DiNucci	Saints	29	$225,000	$225,000	$0	$0	2025 SFA
Skylar Thompson	Dolphins	28	$225,000	$225,000	$0	$0	2025 SFA
Malik Cunningham	Ravens	27	$225,000	$225,000	$0	$0	2025 SFA
Devin Leary	Ravens	26	$225,000	$225,000	$0	$0	2025 SFA

 

[keasley45]

He came here to get a promotion to head coach. No OC that is already on a playoff team is going to want to come here and be the latest guy on the Hawks OC turnstile. You will have to get a position coach that has never been and OC or a failed HC that was a good OC prior.

Disagree completely. The last OCs here werent top choices. Waldron only got a shot because Russ went blaming the offense for why we werent better. Pete caved and brought in the guy he was most comfortable with.

Grubb was only here because by the time we got Mac, there werent any better choices from which to buikd his staff.

I could understand if there was some systemic issue here where the HC is overbearing or wont relinquish control, but thats not the case. The FO is great. The franchise is well run. The team is talented and has solid playmakers at all of the skill positions.

I'd wager its a top spot for any candidate, geography not withstanding.

 

[Maulbert]

that
was
awesome

He's just stealing an old Browns fan joke. It's literally 20+ years old.

 

[Lords of Scythia]

Geno may be gone too.

Mike Macdonald’s comment on Geno Smith doesn’t inspire confidence on QB’s future

After firing offensive coordinator Ryan Grubb, the Seattle Seahawks may not be done making large-scale modifications to their scoring unit. Seahawks head coach

fansided.com

He needs a reason to say no like a better alternative. We are going with the best QB - now that is Geno.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

He's just stealing an old Browns fan joke. It's literally 20+ years old.

I liked it

 

[James in PA]

I'm starting to think we have some differing opinions around here about this Geno fellla.

 

[GemCity]

I don’t think Geno should be gone but, I do think we need to start taking shots at drafting QBs.

It’s a crapshoot but, we’ve got to start looking at mid round type guys…unless we think Howell is the next up.

I say mid round because it’s really hard to gauge Geno’s performance when we ended up 30th (or something crazy like that) offensive line wise. We need to build the trenches…

It’s no coincidence that the top 10 teams going into the playoffs all have high ranked O-lines. Last time I checked, the lowest ranked line out of that group was #11.

While I don’t think Geno is going to ‘get better’, I do think he can be a top 5 kind of guy behind a good O-line.

Next year should be a given…unless we trade him. I’d like him around on a team friendly deal but that would be a hard sell for him being on the other side of his playing days.

 

[Mad Dog]

I wouldn't be shocked at all if John and Mike aren't nearly as high on Geno as some here are.

would expect John and Mike have very much a similar opinion to 90% of the sensible fan base. Geno's the best we got right now but we're all open to an upgrade at the position.

The nonsensical fan base views roster construction like a video game where you can always find someone better in a one sided trade or the 3rd round of the draft.

 

[Hawkpower]

Geno is too good to easily replace with just anyone but not good enough to carry a team (unless they’re incredibly talented) to the promised land

 

[warden]

Geno is too good to easily replace with just anyone but not good enough to carry a team (unless they’re incredibly talented) to the promised land

Exactly. There are about five QBs that can be difference makers even on a team with sub par talent. All the rest need a strong supporting cast to be successful

 

[toffee]

would expect John and Mike have very much a similar opinion to 90% of the sensible fan base. Geno's the best we got right now but we're all open to an upgrade at the position.

The nonsensical fan base views roster construction like a video game where you can always find someone better in a one sided trade or the 3rd round of the draft.

IMHO, Geno is the best price/performance in the veteran QB market. It's hard to find someone who can deliver his level of production at his or a lower price.

Geno's downside is his age and upside in the coming years.

Oooops, I forgot, the other downside is that most experts of .net wanted him gone like 3 months ago.

 

[CalgaryFan05]

Coach Grubb is no longer with the team, not part of our team's future. Would Geno be the next?

Thank ******* god.

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, idiot.

 

[Seak]

No way in hell Geno is gone unless they want to downgrade to Howell.

I don't understand the logic behind getting rid of Geno at this point in time. That would be like quiting a job you don't like for a worse one with less pay with the hopes the one you want is available in 2 years

I agree in the part that he wont be gone next year
I think its more just people wanna see a better succession plan for the future. I actually didn't mind the Sam Howell trade, until he actually played.
If were keeping Geno, the teams gotta think they can actually make it the whole within a few years

 

[Seahawker]

 

[Hawkinaz]

Geno may be gone too.

Mike Macdonald’s comment on Geno Smith doesn’t inspire confidence on QB’s future

After firing offensive coordinator Ryan Grubb, the Seattle Seahawks may not be done making large-scale modifications to their scoring unit. Seahawks head coach

fansided.com

MM had the same attitude towards Geno last year until after the combine than he was the best thing since sliced bread

 

[GemCity]

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Damn…I’m giving Geno another chance with an improved line but, that Geno Cycle graphic does resonate a bit.

Good post.

 

[Spin Doctor]

Will Geno stop changing the plays all the time? Will Geno actually snap the ball with more than 1 second on the clock and/or force timeouts to be called?

That is part of the game.



Cam Newton here breaking down the protection calls and adjustments that happen in a play design before the ball is snapped. A play is only a scaffolding, each play has something called sight adjustments.

Part of the DK routes issues could also be placed on Geno Smith. Either way there seems to be a problem with communication between the two.

 

[Natethegreat]

IMHO, Geno is the best price/performance in the veteran QB market. It's hard to find someone who can deliver his level of production at his or a lower price.

Geno's downside is his age and upside in the coming years.

Oooops, I forgot, the other downside is that most experts of .net wanted him gone like 3 months ago.

Provided he doesn't want a big pay raise.

 

[James in PA]

That Geno Cycle is so true. It's not just a Geno cycle though, it could be applied to the organization as a whole with a few tweaks.

 

[Russellmania3]

One can only hope that Geno will shown the door out of town. Talk about a knucklehead of a qb. Turn over machine in the red zone. It is time to start fresh