Golden Tate's Value & General Discussion of the Top 4 WRs

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There's a very good article up at FieldGulls centered around Golden Tate. Just wanted to chip in some additional commentary.

I think one of the biggest storylines to watch throughout this season is how valuable Tate shows himself to be with another elite tackle-breaker in Percy Harvin added to the mix. There seems to be a feeling out there among Hawk fans that the addition of Harvin makes Tate sort of redundant, but I actually think people are too hung up on their similarities in size and elusiveness. I remember during the press conference for Harvin's signing, Pete Carroll specifically said he didn't view the two as the same type of players when they were initially scouting Tate.

The first and most obvious difference is that Tate, while having the stature of a slot receiver, actually excels on the outside while Harvin has been most effective playing from the inside. FieldGulls:

I'll repeat what Hazbro said because it's awesome: "Tate and Harvin are the two hardest receivers to bring down in the NFL, apparently, and they'll be lining up next to each other this season. This is the stuff that gives defensive coordinators ulcers."

The thing about Tate and Harvin though is that while they're both tough to bring down with the ball in their hands, they're pretty different players, even if we've been trying to compare them to each other for years. Most obviously, Tate is an outside player, typically aligning as the X, opposite Sidney Rice, whereas Percy is mainly in inside threat from the slot or the backfield. The fun thing about it though is that both players are versatile enough to play either role, which should make the gameplanning for Seattle extremely challenging. Darrell Bevell isn't shy about mixing up the alignments and formations of his receivers, and one thing that was very common last year was to see a receiver overload to one side of the field. The matchup issues facing opposing defenses this year with Tate and Harvin on the field at the same time will be interesting to watch.

Another good bit from the article is their summary of what the top four receivers bring to the table. Some folks seem pretty obsessed with identifying the "odd man out" in this group, but I think each has something very important to add to this offense for 2013. It may not be consensus among the fans, but I agree with FieldGulls in their thought that Doug Baldwin and Golden Tate are the two best deep threats on the team. I think Carroll and Bevell will test Harvin's effectiveness as a deep threat guy throughout the season, but that has not traditionally been his game. Harvin makes his money on short throws in open space. Rice's value comes from his ability to make chain-moving catches along the sidelines, and I think he is one of the very best in the NFL at this. He also has a body profile that is very different from our other three receivers, which I think a lot of people like. But when it comes to making plays on deep bombs thrown to the middle of field, Baldwin and Tate are your most reliable guys, and this is a crucial and necessary element of a Pete Carroll offense.

FieldGulls:

For me - Tate is a big factor on the Seahawks' offense and as I said, gives Seattle a different dynamic when he's in the game. One thing that you love about Tate is that he's very adept at running deep, longer developing routes and attacks the football in the air - Doug Baldwin is great at this too, and you'll notice that toward the end of the year, if Seattle was launching bombs on play-action, it was usually to Tate or Baldwin. Sidney Rice is more of a sideline, amazing catch on a deep drag type of receiver, a guy that can move the chains and come up with the difficult diving catch, but Doug and Golden are the two go-to guys when it comes to bombing it out on jump balls.

And that's Seattle's game. Run the football, pound your opponent into submission, get them to bite on play-action, and strike deep. Run the rock and create explosive plays. These are the pillars of Pete Carroll's philosophy.

I guess this is my very long way of saying Seattle has some very difficult decisions to make at WR after 2013. Rice has the big cap number, but he also has the biggest body in Seattle's top four, and you love his ability to make plays along the sidelines. Tate's unrestricted and may command a big contract, but he's explosive after-the-catch and provides a type of deep threat that is necessary in this offense. He was also the best receiver at making something happen after a play broke down. Baldwin is restricted and can therefore be retained relatively cheaply for at least another season. He's also shown an ability to attack the ball on deep routes that Harvin hasn't quite demonstrated yet, so I just don't believe that he's a redundant member of the top 4.

Do I think we should retain Tate at a big salary number? Not necessarily, but I'm not writing off the idea yet either. There's a lot of football to play, and I really do think we need to see how these four pieces (the top 4 WRs) work together before we can make those kind of judgments. I'm excited to see it play out.
 

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Good stuff. I am really excited to see our offense this season. A full off-season for Wilson and the reps in camp, Miller's emergence toward the end of the season and in the playoffs, Harvin, the three-headed monster of Lynch/Turbin/Michael, Carp back in at LG...

Not to mention Harper and Willson.

It's going to be fun. Tate is a huge piece of our offensive identity.
 

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I love watching Tate play. He scares the sh*t out of me but he's just so fun to watch. If there's such a thing as luck that dude seems to have it on his side. Perfect mix of skill and serendipity.
 

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Seahawks had some of the best performers in 2012 perhaps Top 10 in Efficiency Per Target with Rice, Harvin, and Tate. (Harvin with the Vikings)

Most fans know that according to Football Outsiders that Tate ranked 4th and Rice ranked 7th in their DVOA for WRs (Value Per Play). A lot of that had to with to do with their target rates Tate caught 45 passes on 68 Targets. Rice had 50 catches on 82.

Harvin ranked 35th in the NFL. But in 9 Games he caught 62 passes on 86 targets for a 73% catch rate but only 10.9 YPC and 3 TD lowered his value per play significantly.

Any Football fan last year knows Harvin true value, he played under a mediocre QB, his WR help ranked 74th and 84th in DVOA, in comparison Baldwin was limited with injuries and was probably the 4th option behind Miller but he ranked 48th in DVOA. But the truth of Harvin's value is his outrageous YAC gaining 531 of his 670 yards meaning 8.9 of his 10.9 ypc were achieved by his own ability.

If Golden Tate can improve with Rice and Harvin continue to trend up to their best performance values, Wilson might become god-tier. I wonder if any QB has finished with a QBR of 100.00 or higher in all 16 games.
 

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Tate is very good, has great hands and makes the difficult catches. He will be pushed this year to be the best he can be. I think what hurts him a bit was how long it look him to break in to the lineup. There were several games he was not even active.

The team is in a position that they can keep him if he proves his value, I suspect he will be looking for a pretty big number in '14
 

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If this offense performs the way I think it will there's no way we are keeping Rice without a restructure ie. paycut and we may have to pay Tate some fairly large coin just to make it worse.
 

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I don't know if this belongs here or The Lounge, but thought it should be shared.

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Zebulon Dak":2e3x8l3m said:
I love watching Tate play. He scares the sh*t out of me but he's just so fun to watch. If there's such a thing as luck that dude seems to have it on his side. Perfect mix of skill and serendipity.

I remember Tate running towards you and I and the endzone vs the Vikings and as he reached the goal line I sensed he was gonna go high and try to cartwheel/vault the defender and as he did I thought no no no YES!!!

He is that kind of player to me. He seems kind of reckless due to something of an unorthodox style, but it has definitely begun to pay off in bunches. I kind of hold my breath and brace myself when he gets the ball because it often feels like anything including injury or a forced fumble due to being tackled from behind while breadloafing the football could happen. But Tate was damn effective for us last year and Percy will make both Tate and Rice so damn much better it will be glorious.
 

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bestfightstory":1zdukcps said:
Zebulon Dak":1zdukcps said:
I love watching Tate play. He scares the sh*t out of me but he's just so fun to watch. If there's such a thing as luck that dude seems to have it on his side. Perfect mix of skill and serendipity.

I remember Tate running towards you and I and the endzone vs the Vikings and as he reached the goal line I sensed he was gonna go high and try to cartwheel/vault the defender and as he did I thought no no no YES!!!

He is that kind of player to me. He seems kind of reckless due to something of an unorthodox style, but it has definitely begun to pay off in bunches. I kind of hold my breath and brace myself when he gets the ball because it often feels like anything including injury or a forced fumble due to being tackled from behind while breadloafing the football could happen. But Tate was damn effective for us last year and Percy will make both Tate and Rice so damn much better it will be glorious.
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I've always said Golden Tate is the most entertaining Seahawk I've ever seen. I hope he stays for a while.
 

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bestfightstory":eqo656fo said:
Zebulon Dak":eqo656fo said:
I love watching Tate play. He scares the sh*t out of me but he's just so fun to watch. If there's such a thing as luck that dude seems to have it on his side. Perfect mix of skill and serendipity.

I remember Tate running towards you and I and the endzone vs the Vikings and as he reached the goal line I sensed he was gonna go high and try to cartwheel/vault the defender and as he did I thought no no no YES!!!

He is that kind of player to me. He seems kind of reckless due to something of an unorthodox style, but it has definitely begun to pay off in bunches. I kind of hold my breath and brace myself when he gets the ball because it often feels like anything including injury or a forced fumble due to being tackled from behind while breadloafing the football could happen. But Tate was damn effective for us last year and Percy will make both Tate and Rice so damn much better it will be glorious.

Hahahaha yes!! That was amazing.
 

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Sidney Rice is the most important piece in this puzzle. Cant have just dwarves as receivers. I expected the team to make a move on a Brandon Marshall type of big receiver, but since it was not done, Sidney is still a key guy.
 

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TwilightError":3hexcejp said:
Sidney Rice is the most important piece in this puzzle. Cant have just dwarves as receivers. I expected the team to make a move on a Brandon Marshall type of big receiver, but since it was not done, Sidney is still a key guy.

Ha! Whith Darren Fells gone, Harper is my newly-adopted rook. He is that 'Brandon Marshall type' and then some! "Maker my words!"
 

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