Geno Smith...

[flv2]

That actually isn't too bad, considering he didn't put any non-clear QB1s in the top 32 (this came out before Baker went to Carolina).

There's some good names below Geno. Minshew, Mills, and Huntley? Low-key seems like a bit of praise to me

Smith and Lock can both play. Can either be positive difference-makers over a full season? I would have preferred Mariota or Mayfield considering it wasn't a big difference in cost. Hard to convince people the team is going to compete with the QB battle the team has chosen to go with.

 

[Fade]

I've said from the beginning that if he's bad, then he will be bad and we will move on.

The ridiculous debate on this forum is around the facts he's put on tape vs folks who watch the exact same performance and say he's terrible or played terrible.

It is and has been as simple as what that tweet says. He hasn't been been bad or even mediocre. And if not for the drops, he'd be completing passes through 2 games now at an 80% + rate. Only in the post Wilson Seahawks world are those numbers AND the performance that generated them deemed horrible.

If he craps the bed in the regular season, he craps the bed. No one here that I can recall ever said he was our savior or that he was going to light things up.

It's just here we have to argue about photographic evidence of catches that should have been caught and qb play that's been undeniably good. And all btw, because folks can't get over the fact that he was chosen to be one of the guys we'd go into the season with.

If it was Baker Mayfield making the same plays Geno has and putting up top stats in the preseason, the same folks tearing Geno down would be calling a Superbowl for us this year. No doubt.

Geno has scored 10 points in 4 quarters so far, playing with the starting offensive line, against mostly other teams backups. Those are not top stats. That is checking it down, and punting. Over and over again. Anemic.

Outside of the JAX game, which was against the worst team in the NFL last year. He has been nothing but anemic.

I look forward to your continued damage control, while Geno continues to underwhelm.

You defended Ken Norton last year, and I'm sure you will come out on top again with this argument as well.

 

[keasley45]

Geno has scored 10 points in 4 quarters so far, playing with the starting offensive line, against mostly other teams backups. Those are not top stats. That is checking it down, and punting. Over and over again. Anemic.

Outside of the JAX game, which was against the worst team in the NFL last year. He has been nothing but anemic.

I look forward to your continued damage control, while Geno continues to underwhelm.

You defended Ken Norton last year, and I'm sure you will come out on top again with this argument as well.

He can't throw and catch the passes. The drops and penalties have been key. Geno can in no logical way be blamed for the lack of scoring.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

The Quarterback can't be part of the blame for scoring? Um.............ok

 

[keasley45]

Geno has scored 10 points in 4 quarters so far, playing with the starting offensive line, against mostly other teams backups. Those are not top stats. That is checking it down, and punting. Over and over again. Anemic.

Outside of the JAX game, which was against the worst team in the NFL last year. He has been nothing but anemic.

I look forward to your continued damage control, while Geno continues to underwhelm.

You defended Ken Norton last year, and I'm sure you will come out on top again with this argument as well.

Fade... you are consistently consistent in your worship of Russ above literally every other facet of this team... except the LOB, which yiu also don't attribute to a HC's brilliance, but to the dumb luck that saw 'elite' players make a broken system and average coach look great. The shine of your love for #3 carries over still in an admirable denial of facts around Geno.you just can't bring yourself to say he hasn't played badly.

And I supported Norton like I hated Russ, right?

Curious what your position will be when this team is back among the elite in a season or two. Just Pete getting lucky again I suppose? Or ownership ( that according to you doesn't exist but in the form of the all controlling Pete himself) forcing the HC to do right.

 

[Maelstrom787]

The Quarterback can't be part of the blame for scoring? Um.............ok

What argument have you otherwise? Can you point out specific plays where Geno left points on the board or stalled his offense or otherwise?

We have lots of examples of him being screwed on plays where he didn't do anything wrong this preseason (as does PFF, it seems) - present the opposite instead of laugh reacting and then offering a response with no argument otherwise?

Willing to be enlightened

 

[keasley45]

The Quarterback can't be part of the blame for scoring? Um.............ok

This is hysterical...

 

[keasley45]

What argument have you otherwise? Can you point out specific plays where Geno left points on the board or stalled his offense or otherwise?

We have lots of examples of him being screwed on plays where he didn't do anything wrong this preseason (as does PFF, it seems) - present the opposite instead of laugh reacting and then offering a response with no argument otherwise?

Willing to be enlightened

No. He can't. Neither can Fade.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Please explain how the Quarterback isn't part of the offense scoring points. Geezus man, what is with the freaking out over criticism or questions about Geno effin Smith?
Why does it bother you so much that I think he's an average at best QB? Talk about hilarious. But do you. If you think he's going to get us to anything other than 5-7 wins tops, feel free. I have a right to my opinion. He's average. Sorry that hurts your feelings so much. I'll gladly admit I was wrong IF he puts up some consistency and some wins. Until I see differently, NONE of these 3 QB's are anything to get excited about. And for the record, I'm glad Russ is gone. Yes, glad.

 

[keasley45]

Please explain how the Quarterback isn't part of the offense scoring points. Geezus man, what is with the freaking out over criticism or questions about Geno effin Smith?
Why does it bother you so much that I think he's an average at best QB? Talk about hilarious. But do you. If you think he's going to get us to anything other than 5-7 wins tops, feel free. I have a right to my opinion. He's average. Sorry that hurts your feelings so much. I'll gladly admit I was wrong IF he puts up some consistency and some wins. Until I see differently, NONE of these 3 QB's are anything to get excited about. And for the record, I'm glad Russ is gone. Yes, glad.

He was just asking you to cite an example. Because what often is said is not that you *think he sucks, you (or others)say he played terribly, and that he's awful... or imply that for example, he's the reason we didn't score.

If you're gonna say in a definitive way that he's bad, in the face of statistical fact, the ask is straightforward. How was he responsible and what specific facet of his game is bad or has contributed to us not playing well. Of course a qb can be responsible for his team not scoring. How is that the case now? Because you're saying it is.

But if you just wanna think what you wanna think that's entirely cool. Your personal opinion doesn't have to rely on fact or recent performance. It can just be how you feel. Perfectly fine. That's just not how you stated it to start.

But maintaining that Geno played well because the stats and his performance show that he did, isn't 'defending' him as much as it is defending the truth. Whether he reverts back to who he was... you and others think there's no way he cant. Virtually everyone arguing he's played well is saying just that. That he's played well. And that FACT, is reason enough to think we just might not be the worst team in the league and hopeless without Russ and Bobby... and with Pete.

 

[keasley45]

For example, if the position was...

'You know what, sure, Geno isnt playing badly, but it's the preseason and I still think the dude is who he is and he's gonna stink up the joint by the end of the season... i think we are still in for losing year'

There's zero in that statement that can be argued. Nothing.

And to be honest, I'm sure there are a few folks being accused of 'defending ' him that probably feel pretty close to the same. I'm not sure I'm far from that, but I'm happy to be proven wrong by the guy every week.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Fair enough. We can agree to disagree. It's not that important.
34 TD's, 37 Picks, less than 7000 yards passing in his entire career. For those who care about QBR, his career passer rating is 75.7.
If he was anything more, he would be starting somewhere else.
I don't care if he was with the Jets or not. He's the one pulling the trigger. If that's not average, I'm not sure what is.

 

[Mizak]

If Russell Wilson threw the same pass to Swain and Swain dropped it, 45 and 787 would blame it on Wilson seeing their posting history on Wilson as of late.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I want one of these guys to be damn good. Being wrong rocks, if it means your team is winning. I'm not in the "tank for a better pick" camp even a little bit. Screw that.

 

[Maelstrom787]

If Russell Wilson threw the same pass to Swain and Swain dropped it, 45 and 787 would blame it on Wilson seeing their posting history on Wilson as of late.

Wouldn't have happened. I don't know if you noticed, but that pass was to the intermediate middle of the field.

If Wilson made that throw, I'd say "holy hell, do it again!" because him unlocking that would make him near perfect.

 

[UK_Seahawk]

I think we can all realistically state that its highly unlikely that Geno Smith is going to lead this offense to any type of success on the field. I've seen Vietcong tunnels with higher ceilings than this guy.

 

[Maelstrom787]

I think we can all realistically state that its highly unlikely that Geno Smith is going to lead this offense to any type of success on the field. I've seen Vietcong tunnels with higher ceilings than this guy.

Okay.

Why?

He's thrown a few dots over the middle and certainly has shown command of the intermediate range this preseason and some of last season. He climbs the pocket well. He has generally taken care of the ball during his tenure with Seattle.

Why? Why does he have the lowest ceiling? Why can't the team win with him at the helm?

We're just going through the same cycle of generic but extreme criticisms against real examples of him performing his job decently

I've been begging for specifics for 10 pages. Someone whip on a few of the games and point these egregious flaws out to me without going back 7 years to NYJ play.

 

[UK_Seahawk]

I don't trust him, I don't think the recievers do either. Its like he's broadcasting on FM and everyone else is tuned into satellite radio. I'm not one for the stats but I just don't think he passes the eye test for me, maybe it is confirmation bias but I thought he was poor last season and he's been poor again so far.

I don't think he can lead the offense to a win if the defense keep it close. He simply not dynamic enough for me.

 

[scutterhawk]

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It still looks to me as if the throw to Swain could have been aimed slightly more at Swain's front shoulder, or even forward of his front shoulder...and not so obviously high over Swain's head.

True, but it was still a very catchable ball.
A hell of a lot of hard to haul in passes by Russell Wilson were CAUGHT by Tate, Baldwin, Rice, Lockett, Metcalf, & a few others, giving Wilson a lot of positive stats.
Geno doesn't deserve the criticisms that belong to Receivers with 'Allegator Arm' attempts at catching the ball.
Geno Smith is certainly no Russell Wilson, but he is FOR SURE, a hell of a lot better than some fans here on .NET want to acknowledge; that's on THEM & their inability to be honest with themselves.
There are EXPERTS around the League who have stated that Geno Smith is a damned decent Quarterback.
Lots of thankless fans here in Seattle.

 

[fullquartpress]

True, but it was still a very catchable ball.
A hell of a lot of hard to haul in passes by Russell Wilson were CAUGHT by Tate, Baldwin, Rice, Lockett, Metcalf, & a few others, giving Wilson a lot of positive stats.
Geno doesn't deserve the criticisms that belong to Receivers with 'Allegator Arm' attempts at catching the ball.
Geno Smith is certainly no Russell Wilson, but he is FOR SURE, a hell of a lot better than some fans here on .NET want to acknowledge; that's on THEM & their inability to be honest with themselves.
There are EXPERTS around the League who have stated that Geno Smith is a damned decent Quarterback.
Lots of thankless fans here in Seattle.

OK, I give up.
Some of my favorite, memorable drops are by Marques Valdez Scantling.
My recent, most photogenic favorite was by Javon Wimms in the SuperDome endzone, January 2021.
Did you see that one?
(sorry if I'm off topic, but debating what is a drop, and what isn't a drop, is more fun for me)