Geno Believer Yet?

[SoulfishHawk]

Feast or famine for sure. It can be maddening.

 

[jammerhawk]

Was Sunday peak Geno or is there more?

I suspect if he runs more there is more. Will it be elite, let’s see.? if he can build upon a great game I’m a fan.

 

[jammerhawk]

Until Geno stops spazzing out and making those galactically dumb errors he’s still questionable to me. He’s a good average to better QB with elite abilities. Thing is he’s just inconsistent and when bad he sucks. Yet when he plays without spazzing out he’s pretty darn good.

 

[jammerhawk]

Could be.

To me still let’s see if he can build on his last game.

 

[LeveeBreak]

Curious what it will take for those of us who think Geno is merely a bridge QB or simply not good enough to win it all to believe he just might be our current franchise quarterback?

What kind of stats does he need to have to convince you?

Did you know that Geno Smith had more game winning drives in the 4th quarter (5) than ANY other QB last year?

Truly. What will it take?

I've been optomistic and never lost that. Frustrated at ints at times, but recognize he has a monster on his back while under constant pressure. Not sure many could do more with this oline...maybe just a few.

 

[OrangeGravy]

Curious what it will take for those of us who think Geno is merely a bridge QB or simply not good enough to win it all to believe he just might be our current franchise quarterback?

What kind of stats does he need to have to convince you?

Did you know that Geno Smith had more game winning drives in the 4th quarter (5) than ANY other QB last year?

Truly. What will it take?

I'm late to this thread, but I think there are many fans, nfl, and media people that won't budge on their opinion of Geno that carried over from his early career. Anything short of an NFC Championship run would likely be brushed off as a fluke, even if it came with this bad run game and poor o-line play

 

[OrangeGravy]

Raw numbers are not a good way to judge the best season, especially raw counting stats like passing TDs, interceptions, rushing TDs, and passing yards. Adjustments for things like game situation and opponent quality, plus the use of rate stats beyond completion percentage, give better measures.

I want to be clear about one thing: Russell Wilson is still the best Seahawks QB in total career value, and the distance between Wilson's career and those of both Krieg and Hasselbeck is so huge that I don't think it's even worth anyone's time to adjust Krieg and Hasselbeck's careers for factors like the ones mentioned above plus era in order to figure out who produced the second-most career value as a QB for the Seahawks. I say this because it seems very likely to me that the difference between the two will come out negligibly small compared to the difference between Wilson and either of those two.



I think you're pretty close about "the story they want" being involved. But my belief is that it doesn't start with them. It starts with the talking-head mediots paid a lot of money to spew nonsense about football on sports-news broadcasts.

Ask a real football analyst about a football game and you'll get information about team strategies and the tactics used to implement them. You'll get analysis of schemes, formations, protections, motions, responses to motions, ways of disguising play calls on both sides, player responsibilities on specific plays, what each team knows about the opponents' responsibilities just before the snap and how they know, and details about specific on-the-field matchups. Ask a talking-head mediot about a game (or just passively leave the TV on and tuned to the same channel when one of them appears on your screen) and you'll get a soap-opera narrative about feelings, palace intrigue, and revenge.

The problem is that these talking-head mediots who don't offer any serious analysis offer something very convenient: a pre-packaged opinion that other people will also have heard on TV and are therefore shockingly likely to believe is a serious expert's opinion, and therefore that it's a reasonable one to repeat. This allows people to participate in conversations about football even if they didn't really watch the game carefully, or "aren't X's-and-O's types" or whatever. Worse, the talking-head mediots act like they believe very deeply in what they're saying. The Philosopher's Stone of this kind of crap is Skip Braynless and Stephen A. Smith getting visibly angry with each other while talking over each other about conflicting made-up nonsense narratives.

When you hear again and again from people paid a lot of money as "analysts" on TV things like "the only possible way to success in today's NFL is to have one of the top two or three quarterbacks in the league," it's not hard for that idea to start to take root in your head. I go back to a moment in the early years of The Simpsons:



Hear enough "experts" insist on TV and in print with willing-to-fight-with-colleagues-about-it conviction that there's only one route to team success in the NFL, and it's not hard for people to start believing that kind of thing with enough conviction to argue with fellow fans about it on the internet, even though talking-head-mediot narratives are not predictive of anything.

A+

 

[Rat]

I'm late to this thread, but I think there are many fans, nfl, and media people that won't budge on their opinion of Geno that carried over from his early career. Anything short of an NFC Championship run would likely be brushed off as a fluke, even if it came with this bad run game and poor o-line play

I feel like I've seen a lot of people amend their stance on Geno, and very few who don't at least acknowledge that he's far improved from his time with the Jets. The Comeback Player of the Year award, plus all the press the whole "ain't write back" thing got helped. Ripping on the Jets is easy (and fun), and I've frequently see fans and media members bring up how much better QBs like Geno, Darnold, and Flacco have looked since escaping New York.

I doubt he stands out much right now to the general public. He's a .500 QB over the past three seasons, which doesn't bring much attention, and he has only played in one playoff game: an 18-point loss as the 7 seed.

There's really no reason for the media to hate him; his results just don't stand out enough for to make many who arnt watching the team week-in and week-out think that he has taken an additional step forward since the one that was widely acknowledged during his first full season here. He'll get his due if he leads a good playoff run.

 

[pittpnthrs]

I'm late to this thread, but I think there are many fans, nfl, and media people that won't budge on their opinion of Geno that carried over from his early career. Anything short of an NFC Championship run would likely be brushed off as a fluke, even if it came with this bad run game and poor o-line play

Honestly, my opinion would be swayed if he could even win just one post season game. I need to see that first. The problem is, he might not get another chance.

 

[keasley45]

I'm late to this thread, but I think there are many fans, nfl, and media people that won't budge on their opinion of Geno that carried over from his early career. Anything short of an NFC Championship run would likely be brushed off as a fluke, even if it came with this bad run game and poor o-line play

Agree, 100%.

And i guarantee that no matter who the next guy is to follow him, he wont be able to match some of what Geno has been able to do - whether his arm talent, his accuracy or just his smarts.

 

[Appyhawk]

I think the real credit Geno deserves is his status as a member and leader of this team. That leadership contributes to the overall improvement the team is making, and to Geno's ceiling as a player. All the things that have happened previously are only relevant as stepping stones leading to where he is now. Geno is now part of a team that will determine his ultimate ceiling. Same was true for Russ. Young Russ was part of a team that won a SB. Older Geno is part of a team that hasn't won a playoff game. Yet.
0 passing TD/1 int isn't what I would register as a great game from Geno. But the importance of that particular game, and the fact that we won it, made it a great game for Geno and the team that made it happen.

 

[Sperrydogg]

Until Geno stops spazzing out and making those galactically dumb errors he’s still questionable to me. He’s a good average to better QB with elite abilities. Thing is he’s just inconsistent and when bad he sucks. Yet when he plays without spazzing out he’s pretty darn good.

Apparently spazz is politically incorrect lol ask Tom Brady

 

[Ozzy]

Agree, 100%.

And i guarantee that no matter who the next guy is to follow him, he wont be able to match some of what Geno has been able to do - whether his arm talent, his accuracy or just his smarts.

100% disagree. I don't think his time with the Jets or anyone else factors in for Seahawks fans at all.

 

[OrangeGravy]

Honestly, my opinion would be swayed if he could even win just one post season game. I need to see that first. The problem is, he might not get another chance.

What if they won a post season game and he played poorly or conversely lost the game and he played great?

 

[Sperrydogg]

100% disagree. I don't think his time with the Jets or anyone else factors in for Seahawks fans at all.

I mean I sometimes wonder why he got punched in the face…

 

[Ozzy]

I mean I sometimes wonder why he got punched in the face…

That’s fair lol

 

[Maelstrom787]

100% disagree. I don't think his time with the Jets or anyone else factors in for Seahawks fans at all.

It does. It's a minority but any time "career backup" is stated, that definitely includes the Jets

 

[LeveeBreak]

I mean I sometimes wonder why he got punched in the face…

He’s what, like 12 years older now. Give that a break.

 

[BigMeach]

I'll preface this by saying that before this year I did think he was our QB at least for the next 3-5 years. After seeing this season though I've had a bit of a change of heart and now am less sure.


I need to see him to use his legs more often. Not slide early when it's 3rd down in the 4th quarter and you're 1 yard away. Also would like to see him make less boneheaded interceptions. Against the 9ers he should have been throwing that ball away with the way his defense was playing, not throwing a bad pick.

Overall I just want to see a guy in complete control. He makes some great throws but he also makes some really dumb mistakes. A better o-line OBVIOUSLY helps massively. Nevertheless, I want to see these things happen more before I'm ready to sign off on him personally.

 

[pittpnthrs]

What if they won a post season game and he played poorly or conversely lost the game and he played great?

Doesn't matter. I need to see him win no matter the circumstances. Him playing poorly is almost assuredly a loss anyways.