#Free Russell

[hawksfansinceday1]

The Hawks have scored a TD on their first drive exactly once in something like the last 30 games (Raiders in London last year). No matter which side of this debate you're on, that's a damning statistic for scripted plays. Seems to me you can both attack and set up shit for later in the game.

 

[xray]

Carroll still coaches Wilson like he's unaware of what he has in a QB. He handles this team like he still has the teams from 2012 through 2015 ; but of course he doesn't . Someone send him a memo .

 

[SoulfishHawk]

? As far as the division goes.....Under Pete, the Hawks clearly have the best Playoff Record, a Super Bowl Title and one play from back to back Rings.
But on topic, I have always (like many) thought they need to let Russ be Russ a LOT more than they have. The waiting game til the 2nd half thing, and him taking over in the 2nd half etc. is something I will never understand. This guy can fling it all over the field if you need him to. He can run the quick passing game. He is one of the best finishers in the history of the NFL, period. Why wait to let him get it rolling? I will likely be still wondering why when I'm 70 :lol:
But, it's not going to change.
A guy at the opener says to me "I know Pete says you can't win the game in the first quarter, but I'd love to see them try." The man makes a good point...…….

 

[Chawker]

We've had the greatest success in the 40 plus years of this teams existence,..... And you guys are willing to cast him aside? UNBELIEVABLE! This is a new low in our fan base. :34853_doh:

 

[scutterhawk]

Usually I tend to agree with you fade, but I don't agree with you on this one. And heres why, Good teams are collecting film on potential teams that might be involved with making the play offs. Pete's philosophy is apposite the fact that more is less. The less good film they have on us is better. Thats why Pete's early season games are so vanilla in theme. Just wait for the Lambs come strolling in to town.
:229031_cheers:

How did that work out in the playoffs against Dallas?

Garrett had an entire season of film, and the Seahawks tendencies to help him iron out the intricacies, and formulate a pretty good game plan... which he did.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Cast who aside? I love Pete being the Coach here. Just pointing out that his stubborn nature has cost this team at times. You could say that about many coaches. They are historically very stubborn.
But his success since he has been here is second only to Bill B. Nobody is above criticism. But no way in hell would I would want them to get rid of Pete.

 

[knownone]

I don't think you can look at the talent on the team and argue we are better or even equal to the talent on what will be the other division winners. So I don't think you can argue that we are not producing enough with the talent we have. You used to be able to argue that - but getting to the wildcard with this pool of talent will actually be exceeding reasonable projections.

In terms of talent, we are probably average. Wildcard visits are about what average teams do.

I would argue the opposite. We are one of the most talent laden teams in the NFL. The question IMO, is whether or not a number of our units can perform up to the level they showed they were capable of last season. Honestly, if we get the same level of offensive line play and Carson can hold onto the damn ball, this team is as good as any team in the NFL.

I think what is skewing people's perception of the team is how poorly the first 3 weeks have gone from an execution stand point. We've shot ourselves in the foot so much that we haven't been able to see this team play to their strengths. That's a good thing though if you trust Pete's ability to coach the team up as the season goes on. Most of our issues are correctable.

 

[John63]

We've had the greatest success in the 40 plus years of this teams existence,..... And you guys are willing to cast him aside? UNBELIEVABLE! This is a new low in our fan base. :34853_doh:

Okay so how long does he get a pass? How many 10-6 one and done in the playoffs before it's time to move on? How would you feel if instead of 10-6 it was 6-10, or worse because his pig headed offensive scheme got Wilson knock out?

Or in your mind he gets a pass as long as he wants no accountability at all.

 

[Fade]

Meanwhile, if you look at the Seahawk’s offensive efficiency for every play of the first 3 weeks they are the 5th best team in the NFL.

Is it possible that they're, I dunno, setting up plays?

Being 5th in the first 3 weeks is why you should be pissed. They are Dolphins tier at the start of games, epic fail, they are better than this.

Pete is costing his team 3 games a year with this crap. (1 down, two more to go.) Instead of being a #2 seed they are going to be a #5 seed. Because he has a fetish for losing to bad QBs.

The Seahawks are Dolphins Tier during their first 15 plays. Context wise it is very damning given the recent history of the last few seasons.

The offense they run in the 2nd half doesn't really resemble how they start. They fall flat on their face to start games, and then they go to plan B. The Chiefs and Cowboys as an example run playaction right at the start of games. You don't need to waste a half of football to set it up.

It would be a cool experiment to surround Russ with a top line, a glorified WR at TE, and star WR's. He'd probably throw for 5000 yards and 40 TD's. But I wouldn't necessarily bet that we win any more games that way. In fact, I kind of doubt it.

Would you be impressed if he does it this year without those things? His numbers are going to end up close to that.

Wilson will have around 5000 total yards, running and throwing, and he will have around 40 TDs, running and throwing this year. And will have a top 5 passer rating. In spite of the offensive debacle that takes place at the start of nearly every game.

 

[Tical21]

If that happens (it won’t), we miss the playoffs.

Your Pete take is insanity. We are a universe away from a 2-seed roster. Pete is the largest reason we even win as many as we do. Do we have to fight off the vultures after every loss?

 

[QuahHawk]

I think Wilson will have his best statistical year ever and lead the Hawks to 11+ wins and at least 1 playoff win. Mahomes gets the MVP again but Russ is a close 2nd

 

[Halea41]

Russell Wilson is not the kind of QB that’s gonna carry you with his arm. He’s still largely an opportunistic QB - piling up stats in prevent defense (as the case against NO), or throwing bombs when the running game draws the defense in. That’s why his stats are so good. He’ll never be the kind of pocket QB you want him to be. Seattle found success again by running and playing good defense.

 

[chris98251]

Cast who aside? I love Pete being the Coach here. Just pointing out that his stubborn nature has cost this team at times. You could say that about many coaches. They are historically very stubborn.
But his success since he has been here is second only to Bill B. Nobody is above criticism. But no way in hell would I would want them to get rid of Pete.

Could say the same thing about Knox refusing to pass in the playoffs or at least let his QB have a chance to pull a win out, Same for Holmgren 3rd and long lets do something different like a draw to Strong. Now the same same for Pete.

 

[dopeboy206]

Usually I tend to agree with you fade, but I don't agree with you on this one. And heres why, Good teams are collecting film on potential teams that might be involved with making the play offs. Pete's philosophy is apposite the fact that more is less. The less good film they have on us is better. Thats why Pete's early season games are so vanilla in theme. Just wait for the Lambs come strolling in to town.
:229031_cheers:

Yeah we were so unpredictable against Dallas in the playoffs (sarcasm)


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[SoulfishHawk]

And here we go again. Russ can't carry the team and can't pass from the pocket. Just stuff he clearly has proven he CAN do :roll:

 

[John63]

Russell Wilson is not the kind of QB that’s gonna carry you with his arm. He’s still largely an opportunistic QB - piling up stats in prevent defense (as the case against NO), or throwing bombs when the running game draws the defense in. That’s why his stats are so good. He’ll never be the kind of pocket QB you want him to be. Seattle found success again by running and playing good defense.

And yet he has carried this team with his arm. But let's not let the facts get in the way of a good story.

 

[xray]

The problem I see is that Carroll is way too involved in the offense on game day . He has got an entire offensive staff that he has hired ; including his son ; that he is hamstringing with his constant interference during games . He needs to use his talents on the defense ; he can start with the tackling . IMO

 

[xray]

And here we go again. Russ can't carry the team and can't pass from the pocket. Just stuff he clearly has proven he CAN do :roll:

Wilson is 90% of the offense which is not a good thing . He shouldn't be asked or forced to carry the team week in and week out .

 

[Jville]

I'm enjoying this collaboration between Russell Wilson and Brian Schottenheimer.

So far, they appear to be well ahead of their first year together.

The Cardinal game will be fun.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

It doesn't matter if he should or shouldn't be asked to carry the offense. He has done it time and time again. Clearly, the running game isn't near what they thought it was going to be, at least so far.
As far as Sunday goes, w/out Peterson in there, they are giving up over 460 yards a game. I think Russ tops 300 again and throws a couple TD's to Lockett.