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JustTheTip":1dedhv9o said:
Apparently it is yours since you have no clue what you post and what t actually means. I guess your IQ is not up to snuff. Sucks to be you.
Fire Pete!!! Anyone down?
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Apparently it is yours since you have no clue what you post and what t actually means. I guess your IQ is not up to snuff. Sucks to be you.
PackerNation":zj0m2ud5 said:JustTheTip":zj0m2ud5 said:
Apparently it is yours since you have no clue what you post and what t actually means. I guess your IQ is not up to snuff. Sucks to be you.
Not really, but if it makes you feel that much better you are welcome to go on thinking that.
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JustTheTip":1djdcxgo said:PackerNation":1djdcxgo said:JustTheTip":1djdcxgo said:
Apparently it is yours since you have no clue what you post and what t actually means. I guess your IQ is not up to snuff. Sucks to be you.
Not really, but if it makes you feel that much better you are welcome to go on thinking that.
No really. Pretty apparent to most as you barely comprehend how successful the hawks have been with Pete and John at the helm. You just cry over margins of victory. It shows a distinct level of immaturity and ignorance of football.
It's why they have the position they do and why you sit in a dirty diaper and spew nonsense as we all laugh.
PackerNation":2ywvjnqh said:JustTheTip":2ywvjnqh said:PackerNation":2ywvjnqh said:JustTheTip":2ywvjnqh said:
Apparently it is yours since you have no clue what you post and what t actually means. I guess your IQ is not up to snuff. Sucks to be you.
Not really, but if it makes you feel that much better you are welcome to go on thinking that.
No really. Pretty apparent to most as you barely comprehend how successful the hawks have been with Pete and John at the helm. You just cry over margins of victory. It shows a distinct level of immaturity and ignorance of football.
It's why they have the position they do and why you sit in a dirty diaper and spew nonsense as we all laugh.
I am not crying over anything and what I am talking about has nothing to do with margins of victory. Close well-played games are the most entertaining type (well outside of my team slaughtering another team in a Super Bowl.)
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JustTheTip":3g0gu82k said:PackerNation":3g0gu82k said:JustTheTip":3g0gu82k said:PackerNation":3g0gu82k said:Apparently it is yours since you have no clue what you post and what t actually means. I guess your IQ is not up to snuff. Sucks to be you.
Not really, but if it makes you feel that much better you are welcome to go on thinking that.
No really. Pretty apparent to most as you barely comprehend how successful the hawks have been with Pete and John at the helm. You just cry over margins of victory. It shows a distinct level of immaturity and ignorance of football.
It's why they have the position they do and why you sit in a dirty diaper and spew nonsense as we all laugh.
I am not crying over anything and what I am talking about has nothing to do with margins of victory. Close well-played games are the most entertaining type (well outside of my team slaughtering another team in a Super Bowl.)
Weren't you just arguing that you don't like Pete as a coach because you don't like his style of play?
And then you say close games are the most entertaining type for you? Pete's specialty???
Confused.....
Hawkpower":3cl7w84x said:
Because you completely skipped over the well-played part.
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JustTheTip":1rbfnovi said:
No, I read it.
But after reading this exhausting thread, I get the feeling you may say that you prefer a "well played" (whatever that means) loss to a choppy win.
Which is ridiculous. But then most of the "points" made in these replies are bordering on arguing just for sake of arguing.
Wins are wins in the NFL. Your other criteria for achieving happiness while watching football are unique and will not be shared by other humans.
They're just giving you their opinions that your opinion is terrible. That seems fair.JustTheTip":1izmh81t said:
The good news for you is that you will get your wish. I'm sure you know that Pete is the oldest coach in the NFL and despite appearances he isn't going to be here forever. You'll get to see what things look like without him, so why not just try to enjoy the remainder of this ride while it lasts? You can always pull out the "told you so!" thread next off-season if we fail to win the Super Bowl.
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Lol.
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You only fire a Seahawks HC after a phantom touchdown.
AgentDib":3kwabtbk said:
Totally fair. We will get stuck in a circular reference though.
LTH":i0v2anbe said:
How is my logic flawed. Stick with Holmgren 2 more years, Pete goes somewhere else while we give the Mora s*** show a one year shot and end up with something like Arians or Chip.
Pete was the absolute best coach for this franchise following Mora.
On a side note, I certainly wish I was 12 years old some days.
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Pete, Schotty, Russ. All doing a great job right now! If there are problems on this team, they are on the defensive side.
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Pete Carroll seems to be a very polarizing figure these days. Some on Seahawks message boards praise his genius, others think he is a washed up has been that needs to hang it up. I think both sides make good points, but in reality I think the true answer is somewhere in the middle.
Pete Carroll really is giving me Mike Holmgren vibes. Mike Holmgren towards the end of his Seahawk career was extremely rigid. Once upon time he was at the cutting edge but he stopped growing and adapting with the game. He was stuck in his 1990s West Coast offense philosophy. He still was an offensive genius, and quite possibly one of the best coaches to ever coach the game. The league, however caught up with him and he reached a point where he no longer could coach at an elite level. He could still hold his own but it was clear that his best days had passed him by. Just recently Holmgren was on a radio show, and the host asked him "why haven't you looked for a coaching gig again?" He said something really interesting. He essentially said that the game had evolved and it was different than the game he was familiar with.
This is where I see Carroll at this point in time. He isn't a bad coach, not by any means. I just think we're watching a guy that has his best years behind him. He's still a decent coach, but he'll never bring us to the promise land again.
Carroll got to the SuperBowl through really unconventional tactics and drafting. He took players that traditionally were considered fringe NFL talent, and role players and used them in really odd ways. Players such as Sherman and Chancellor were thought to have hips that were too stiff to play their role, and lack the change of direction needed to be anything other than role players. I remember scouts suggesting that Kam Chancellor be switched to LB in scouting reports.
Carroll took players like Wilson, Chancellor, Sherman, Avril/Clemons, Avril/Clemons and used them in unconventional ways. Tweener pass rushers? We used them as 3-4 linebackers in a 4-3 system in the elephant role with great success -- guys that were thought of being nothing but situational pass rushers. Carroll gave a short QB a shot at starting his rookie year, and he used big corners who were originally thought to be unplayable at starting cornerback positions, and a safety that played an almost LB/SS hybrid.
What Carroll did is he saw ways that these players could be utilized that others didn't. He was a mad scientist. Carroll singlehandedly changed the perception of fast, undersized pass rushers, big lumbering safeties, big corners all in one fell swoop. I'd say he was also responsible for ushering in a resurgence of power running games. The league didn't know how to deal with Carroll's defense when he finally assembled it, and even for many years after he gave teams fits. Carroll was a trend setter in many different ways. After 2013 everyone was looking to emulate the Seahawks way, and integrate it into their own system. Big cornerbacks suddenly got lots of attention, short QBs like Johnny Manziel, Kyle Murray, and Baker Mayfield all of the sudden got taken at the top end of the draft.
Carroll changed the league and repurposed players that nobody deemed valuable. Unfortunately when other teams started hiring our coaches, and copying our style the talent pool that was onced untapped got lots of competition.
After the 2012 I saw a big slow down in the drafting prowess of Pete Carroll. We traded away significant picks for Percy Harvin, and then we traded away for Jimmy Graham for a first and our best offensive lineman. We started whiffing on a lot of draft picks and then clear nepotism started taking place. Bevell and Cable stuck around for way past their expiration dates. As a result Carroll lost his locker room to some extent, and he had to purge the problem children along with the coaching staff that had aloud this behavior to propagate.
As a result of a slew of bad trades, poor drafts and nepotism the Seahawks begun a downward trajectory. We went from being world beaters to being a one and done fringe playoff team. It's been that way ever since 2015 and onward. In fact in Carroll's reboot he hired another retread coordinator in Schottenheimer and a DC that was known for being bad in Oakland, and he has lived up to his reputation. Poor coordinator choices all around, less so with Schottenheimer, because at least he was considered one of the best QB coaches/mentors in the NFL.
All of this coupled with some really questionable game planning, and purposely handcuffing your QB and best player for years on end, plus an antiquated offense and you've got the recipe for a coach that isn't utilizing his talent in an efficient manner.
That sounds like a lot of negatives, but fortunately for Carroll he still is a great team manger if nothing else. He knows how to unlock the potential in his players, and he is very good at getting everybody on the same page. If he would do less micromanaging in games I think he would have better results, but unfortunately sometimes he would rather win his way than go with the most efficient tactic available.
Fortunately he seems to understand that this year we need to rely on our offense to get anywhere. I hope a 2015 doesn't happen again where he lets Russell lose then immediately goes back to the same tired offense.
Carroll is still a decent coach, but I think he's ultimately going to be wasting Russ's career if things continue on the same trajectory as it has since 2015. His drafts also have more promise thus far in the last few years than the ones earlier. He hasn't done anything that warrants firing, and he still is a decent coach, though I think Carroll has been bailed out quite a bit by Russell Wilson. I personally don't think that he has another SuperBowl left in him. What it ultimately boils down to is the fact that Carroll is the devil we know. He sells out stadiums, and never has losing seasons. This is why he will stay for as long as he wants. Though, I also think that leaves the Seahawks in a perpetual one and done playoff limbo. That is where we have been since 2015, and I think that is where we stay underneath Carroll. He's peaked, and he has lost his edge, but he is still knows how to guide the Seahawks to winning seasons.
Pete Carroll really is giving me Mike Holmgren vibes. Mike Holmgren towards the end of his Seahawk career was extremely rigid. Once upon time he was at the cutting edge but he stopped growing and adapting with the game. He was stuck in his 1990s West Coast offense philosophy. He still was an offensive genius, and quite possibly one of the best coaches to ever coach the game. The league, however caught up with him and he reached a point where he no longer could coach at an elite level. He could still hold his own but it was clear that his best days had passed him by. Just recently Holmgren was on a radio show, and the host asked him "why haven't you looked for a coaching gig again?" He said something really interesting. He essentially said that the game had evolved and it was different than the game he was familiar with.
This is where I see Carroll at this point in time. He isn't a bad coach, not by any means. I just think we're watching a guy that has his best years behind him. He's still a decent coach, but he'll never bring us to the promise land again.
Carroll got to the SuperBowl through really unconventional tactics and drafting. He took players that traditionally were considered fringe NFL talent, and role players and used them in really odd ways. Players such as Sherman and Chancellor were thought to have hips that were too stiff to play their role, and lack the change of direction needed to be anything other than role players. I remember scouts suggesting that Kam Chancellor be switched to LB in scouting reports.
Carroll took players like Wilson, Chancellor, Sherman, Avril/Clemons, Avril/Clemons and used them in unconventional ways. Tweener pass rushers? We used them as 3-4 linebackers in a 4-3 system in the elephant role with great success -- guys that were thought of being nothing but situational pass rushers. Carroll gave a short QB a shot at starting his rookie year, and he used big corners who were originally thought to be unplayable at starting cornerback positions, and a safety that played an almost LB/SS hybrid.
What Carroll did is he saw ways that these players could be utilized that others didn't. He was a mad scientist. Carroll singlehandedly changed the perception of fast, undersized pass rushers, big lumbering safeties, big corners all in one fell swoop. I'd say he was also responsible for ushering in a resurgence of power running games. The league didn't know how to deal with Carroll's defense when he finally assembled it, and even for many years after he gave teams fits. Carroll was a trend setter in many different ways. After 2013 everyone was looking to emulate the Seahawks way, and integrate it into their own system. Big cornerbacks suddenly got lots of attention, short QBs like Johnny Manziel, Kyle Murray, and Baker Mayfield all of the sudden got taken at the top end of the draft.
Carroll changed the league and repurposed players that nobody deemed valuable. Unfortunately when other teams started hiring our coaches, and copying our style the talent pool that was onced untapped got lots of competition.
After the 2012 I saw a big slow down in the drafting prowess of Pete Carroll. We traded away significant picks for Percy Harvin, and then we traded away for Jimmy Graham for a first and our best offensive lineman. We started whiffing on a lot of draft picks and then clear nepotism started taking place. Bevell and Cable stuck around for way past their expiration dates. As a result Carroll lost his locker room to some extent, and he had to purge the problem children along with the coaching staff that had aloud this behavior to propagate.
As a result of a slew of bad trades, poor drafts and nepotism the Seahawks begun a downward trajectory. We went from being world beaters to being a one and done fringe playoff team. It's been that way ever since 2015 and onward. In fact in Carroll's reboot he hired another retread coordinator in Schottenheimer and a DC that was known for being bad in Oakland, and he has lived up to his reputation. Poor coordinator choices all around, less so with Schottenheimer, because at least he was considered one of the best QB coaches/mentors in the NFL.
All of this coupled with some really questionable game planning, and purposely handcuffing your QB and best player for years on end, plus an antiquated offense and you've got the recipe for a coach that isn't utilizing his talent in an efficient manner.
That sounds like a lot of negatives, but fortunately for Carroll he still is a great team manger if nothing else. He knows how to unlock the potential in his players, and he is very good at getting everybody on the same page. If he would do less micromanaging in games I think he would have better results, but unfortunately sometimes he would rather win his way than go with the most efficient tactic available.
Fortunately he seems to understand that this year we need to rely on our offense to get anywhere. I hope a 2015 doesn't happen again where he lets Russell lose then immediately goes back to the same tired offense.
Carroll is still a decent coach, but I think he's ultimately going to be wasting Russ's career if things continue on the same trajectory as it has since 2015. His drafts also have more promise thus far in the last few years than the ones earlier. He hasn't done anything that warrants firing, and he still is a decent coach, though I think Carroll has been bailed out quite a bit by Russell Wilson. I personally don't think that he has another SuperBowl left in him. What it ultimately boils down to is the fact that Carroll is the devil we know. He sells out stadiums, and never has losing seasons. This is why he will stay for as long as he wants. Though, I also think that leaves the Seahawks in a perpetual one and done playoff limbo. That is where we have been since 2015, and I think that is where we stay underneath Carroll. He's peaked, and he has lost his edge, but he is still knows how to guide the Seahawks to winning seasons.
It's a moot point . Even if he was on the chopping block ; who would fire him ? Jody Allen ? That won't happen . Most don't know that John Schneider the GM was hired by Pete Carroll ; so Carroll is his boss too . Carroll will stay as long as he wants to regardless of how he coaches . His position is largely bullet proof .
xray":vbztw864 said:
I agree this is the likely case. I also don't go around starting threads like this or commenting about it unless it is brought up.
justafan":29q8qxs0 said:
I don't think I would want McVay.
On a side note I thought about something this morning. Jody Allen seems like she is becoming interested in the Seahawks. If that is actually the case, I would have to believe that Pete is a big part of that which would be another place he is providing value. I think an interested Jody Allen is better than over half the ownership possibilities if the team gets sold.
