Darrell Bevell linked to BYU coaching job

[Jville]

Nope. That's not what I said at all. And you know it.

Everyone assumes there's a better alternative. That might not be the case. That's the point I was making.

Next.

That is certainly a valid concern. Rumors, around the league, of staff conflicts are a part of every season. Staffs come apart annually. I am at a loss to name a replacement for Darrell Bevell that would fit and facilitate what they like to do.

As for those that revel in the blame game, there are meatier pickings out there to chose from.

 

[theENGLISHseahawk]

Going to be a lot of coaching changes in a month, saying there's no better alternative out there on December 5th is an early reach.

I don't recall arguing to the contrary.

Again, the point I made was -- people want Bevell fired and assume there's going to be a better alternative. That won't necessarily be the case. There's no obvious replacement right now -- and whether one emerges remains to be seen.

And whoever takes the job is still going to have to deal with a thoroughly unique gig -- a team with essentially a 'running game coordinator' who picks the linemen and is assistant head coach, a Head Coach who wants to be the #1 scrambling team, #1 explosive play offense and the #1 ball control outfit. And there's still a chance he'll need to feed a certain RB carries and feed a certain TE catches. And that TE will still be asked to block when he can't. etc etc.

In fact I think Carroll understands how unique this gig is and is probably impressed with his ability to work within this environment. Which is why PC's faith in DB appears to remain fully intact.

 

[bigskydoc]

My problem with people people calling out playcalls is the only people who know why a play was called are the people on the team.Even the most intelligent fans dont know if the play was executed the way it was drawn up.Did the line calls get made,did the audible get called,did Wilson get the team out of a bad play into the right one or visa versa,did someone miss the blitz and not run the hot route,who missed the sight adjustment on the route or throw?.

In one way, you are correct. We fans cannot look at the replay, even the all 21, and say something along the lines of, "On this specific play, Baldwin failed to pick up the fake blitz and adjust his route out of the blitz beater audibled by Russ as Bevel's game plan would dictate."

However, we have four years of All-22 to draw from. We can see consistent themes displayed in these games. One of them is the situation where the opposing defense shows blitz but backs out to clog up the middle of the field where we run all of our blitz beater routes. Now, either our players are consistently terrible at reading this and adjusting to it post-snap, or we have a game plan and route tree that doesn't have concepts built into it to beat this scenario.

It is consistent enough that our lack of knowledge regarding specific execution errors does not mean we cannot see the overarching failures in the game plans, offensive strategies, and route concepts. Unless someone wants to claim that our players are so sub-par or, dare I say, pedestrian, that they can't do something as simple as post-snap adjustment and therefore these things can't be built into the game plan.

-bsd

 

[chris98251]

Pete Carmichael : with the demise of New Orleans and possibly moving on from Payton he could be available.

Jim Zorn : He was in a lousy situation in Washington, smart and has a magic touch with QB's.

Joe Philbin : not a great head coach but did a good job in Green Bay, how he got his HC coaching gig.

Those are few off the top of my head, research and I could probably come up with more pretty quickly.

 

[kearly]

FWIW I'm fine with keeping Bevell if he continues to build off of some of the improvements he's had the past few weeks.

I could be wrong, but my feeling is that Pete has the say with everything on the team and the coordinators are an extension of his will. Tom Cable might be an exception to that, but I think both Richard and Bevell take their orders from Pete in almost every minute detail of what they do. I think this is why Pete has been hesitant to can Bevell, because a lot of what we blame Bevell for may in fact come from Pete. My perception is that both Richard and Bevell are like putty in Pete's hands, molded the way he wants them.

Pete responds very well to criticism. He listens and takes note of good points. This season I've seen a lot of advanced criticisms of the offense, both at .net and from writers like Greg Cosell, finally begin to resonate on Seattle sports talk radio. Guys like Brock and Salk were talking about it, and these guys talk to Pete every monday of the season. I can't help but notice that as these flaws in the offense became better publicised, Pete increased his efforts to address them. It's not quite on the same level as Dave Cameron writing an open letter to Felix Hernandez, but I do think the chatter has gotten to Pete this year and my theory is that he's now working with Bevell to fix some of the flawed tendencies in our offense.

As long as Pete and Bevell are willing to continue adapting to concepts that better fit our QB, I'm okay with Bevell having a couple 'wtf' calls a game. My bigger issue is that for too long the offense tried to force things on our QB and there was very much a square peg round hole dilemma with Harvin (and to a lesser extent, Graham). I think the emergence of Rawls and spreading out the offense to help Wilson have been good changes, not to mention the route combinations. This is stuff that needed to happen, and if it can happen with Bevell, then I'll back off the criticism and see how he does.

 

[Glasgow Seahawk]

Would Mike Leach go there? Given he is LDS. In order words is the BYU job bigger than WSU?

 

[theENGLISHseahawk]

Pete Carmichael : with the demise of New Orleans and possibly moving on from Payton he could be available.

Jim Zorn : He was in a lousy situation in Washington, smart and has a magic touch with QB's.

Joe Philbin : not a great head coach but did a good job in Green Bay, how he got his HC coaching gig.

Those are few off the top of my head, research and I could probably come up with more pretty quickly.

Carmichael -- is there anything about New Orleans' offense right now you envy? That is Payton's baby.

Zorn -- think I'm right in saying he hasn't coached for three years. Think that ship has sailed.

Philbin -- Did a good job in Green Bay... with Aaron Rodgers at QB. Offense in Miami was a shambles.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

Philbin -- Did a good job in Green Bay... with Aaron Rodgers at QB. Offense in Miami was a shambles.

In fairness, Wilson is closer to Rodgers' level than to that of any QB Philbin had in Miami.

 

[chris98251]

Pete Carmichael : with the demise of New Orleans and possibly moving on from Payton he could be available.

Jim Zorn : He was in a lousy situation in Washington, smart and has a magic touch with QB's.

Joe Philbin : not a great head coach but did a good job in Green Bay, how he got his HC coaching gig.

Those are few off the top of my head, research and I could probably come up with more pretty quickly.

Carmichael -- is there anything about New Orleans' offense right now you envy? That is Payton's baby.

Zorn -- think I'm right in saying he hasn't coached for three years. Think that ship has sailed.

Philbin -- Did a good job in Green Bay... with Aaron Rodgers at QB. Offense in Miami was a shambles.

I'll graze over your points with my own.

Carmichael, they had a gutting of players there, one year versus a history.

Zorn may have been out of coaching but has had his fingers in things, also still very involved with the Seahawks.

Philbin I would go the Wade Phillips route here, can't be the top guy, not involved enough with what he does best but put him in what he knows and success, see Denver's defense.

These were candidates for replaceing Bevell off the top of my head, I am sure there are others.

 

[theENGLISHseahawk]

And you'd honestly take those three over Bevell?

 

[Hasselbeck]

FWIW I'm fine with keeping Bevell if he continues to build off of some of the improvements he's had the past few weeks.

I could be wrong, but my feeling is that Pete has the say with everything on the team and the coordinators are an extension of his will. Tom Cable might be an exception to that, but I think both Richard and Bevell take their orders from Pete in almost every minute detail of what they do. I think this is why Pete has been hesitant to can Bevell, because a lot of what we blame Bevell for may in fact come from Pete. My perception is that both Richard and Bevell are like putty in Pete's hands, molded the way he wants them.

Pete responds very well to criticism. He listens and takes note of good points. This season I've seen a lot of advanced criticisms of the offense, both at .net and from writers like Greg Cosell, finally begin to resonate on Seattle sports talk radio. Guys like Brock and Salk were talking about it, and these guys talk to Pete every monday of the season. I can't help but notice that as these flaws in the offense became better publicised, Pete increased his efforts to address them. It's not quite on the same level as Dave Cameron writing an open letter to Felix Hernandez, but I do think the chatter has gotten to Pete this year and my theory is that he's now working with Bevell to fix some of the flawed tendencies in our offense.

As long as Pete and Bevell are willing to continue adapting to concepts that better fit our QB, I'm okay with Bevell having a couple 'wtf' calls a game. My bigger issue is that for too long the offense tried to force things on our QB and there was very much a square peg round hole dilemma with Harvin (and to a lesser extent, Graham). I think the emergence of Rawls and spreading out the offense to help Wilson have been good changes, not to mention the route combinations. This is stuff that needed to happen, and if it can happen with Bevell, then I'll back off the criticism and see how he does.

I think a lot of the bright spots on offense lately have to do with the competition we've faced. The Niners defense is miserable. The Steelers defense is also very bad. Moving the ball against bad defenses is great and all, but the 5 losses we have are in large part due to the offense being unable to put a game away by piecing together a drive against a good defense at the right time.

I fully expect us to run all over Baltimore and Cleveland.. but its the games against Minnesota, STL and Arizona where I want to see how the offense looks and how Bevell reacts/game plans for each respective defense.

 

[Hasselbeck]

Would Mike Leach go there? Given he is LDS. In order words is the BYU job bigger than WSU?

Didn't know Leach is Mormon, that'd be a big get for BYU.. especially since the personnel in place wouldn't need much tuning to run the Air Raid.

 

[chris98251]

And you'd honestly take those three over Bevell?

Someone said suggest replacements based on his performance and the rumors of BYU, that would be my starter list.

 

[Sports Hernia]

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Just curious (honest question) back in the days of Gus Bradley, I assume lots of people were excited for him to move on. Was it immediately obvious BEFORE he moved on who the next DC would be?

Great question. LOL. Many of the Bevell defenders were Bradley defenders and predicted a drop off from Gus Bradley's "genius", the same thing that is being implied by some of the DB defenders will happen if Saint Bevell leaves. :roll:

The defense actually got BETTER after Gus moved on, I expect the same probably will happen to the offense when DB leaves. 8)

 

[Sports Hernia]

And you'd honestly take those three over Bevell?

I would, I have seen Bevell's body of work and it's not pretty.
I'd be least thrilled with Zorn, out of those 3.

 

[chris98251]

Or maybe try to lure Peterson from the UW, he has a proven track record and while they have not won you see the improvement and he has a body of work as well that represents well. It would be a step up for him as a OC for a Pro Franchise based on where he is at currently. I think he has the same mentality as Pete in a lot of things also.

 

[red grenadine]

Oh please oh please oh please oh please

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

Would Mike Leach go there? Given he is LDS. In order words is the BYU job bigger than WSU?

To a man of that faith, very likely I'm afraid (don't wanna lose him as Cougs HC myself).

 

[theENGLISHseahawk]

Or maybe try to lure Peterson from the UW, he has a proven track record and while they have not won you see the improvement and he has a body of work as well that represents well. It would be a step up for him as a OC for a Pro Franchise based on where he is at currently. I think he has the same mentality as Pete in a lot of things also.

Come on. This would never happen.

 

[Sports Hernia]

Or maybe try to lure Peterson from the UW, he has a proven track record and while they have not won you see the improvement and he has a body of work as well that represents well. It would be a step up for him as a OC for a Pro Franchise based on where he is at currently. I think he has the same mentality as Pete in a lot of things also.

Come on. This would never happen.

I doubt it would.