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Sgt. Largent":348t8pg5 said:
theENGLISHseahawk":348t8pg5 said:
Rookie RB's frequently start for a reason. I'm not sure what they're waiting for.

I just explained why above you. Trust is just as important as talent in the NFL, too much is at stake to risk a RB like Michael missing blocking assignments, etc. Especially when you have the luxury of your first two backs being Lynch and Turbin.

Michael will get his opportunities, just not on the road the first game against a nasty defense.


Well, you took a shot at why. But we don't know this is the definite answer. I seem to remember Robert Turbin looking mostly unimpressive in protection at times even as recent as this pre-season. I haven't checked the tape to see how often Turbin was called to act in pass protection this week.

There were a couple of occasions where Robert Turbin just flat out spelled Lynch, including a situation where Lynch was tying his shoelaces. And Turbin was handed the ball. And he was mediocre.

A ton of rookies start early and learn on the run. To not use Michael at all, for me, is missing a trick. And a few snaps yesterday were no more or less likely to cost the team than using Turbin IMO.
 

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ware and coleman got 3 touches between them though, right? was it 1 play to ware and 2 plays to coleman? anyway, even without michael, it was cool to see the other 2 rookies contributing.

lots of back depth on this team.
 

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I'd be willing to bet there was at least a couple of plays on the sheet specifically for CM. Obviously the time or situation apparently didn't present itself in their opinion.

If anywhere, I would have thought a pair of fresh, young legs late in the game might be the spot. Maybe with a 7+ point lead that would have happened.
 

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theENGLISHseahawk":o6yirvml said:
A ton of rookies start early and learn on the run.

Not on Superbowl caliber teams with established pro bowl starters.
 

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This is one of those cases where I trust the coaches making decisions based on practices that I don't see. They just don't think he's ready for whatever reason. Might not be the csae in a few weeks. But as of right now, that's how they see it. Remember Sherman Smith on the radio during training camp? He was making sound as if Michael might not suit up on game days.

It's similar to all the people who were calling for Charlie Whitehurst to start over Hasselbeck, saying "Let's give him a go and see what we got. How can we know otherwise?" Clearly Pete saw enough in practice. And his decision was proven correct. I'm not saying wanting CMike in now is as crazy as wanting CBJ back then. But it's the same case of the coaches doing what they think is best for the moment.

We don't see practice. We don't sit in on position meetings. We don't know what their reasons are. I'm guessing they're looking to bring him along slowly. He didn't play as much in college as Coleman and Ware. I'm guessing he's a bit more raw in regards to the finer details of the game. And I'm guessing we'll see him worked in more and more as the season progresses.
 

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I agree on the not wanting to break in a new rook in a very close tough game. I think we see him more and more starting in garbage grind it out times w/ leads.

Also, Lynch seems to come up w/ those ultimate game clinching runs at just the right times quite often even when he is getting stifled most often. Beastquake, end of this game, etc, etc.....
 

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He was a little banged up coming out of preseason I thought?

Not enough to sit him if he was a starter or even a number 2, but enough to just let him rest and let Beast and Turbo do what they do.

He'll get his shots when Seattle is able to get into rhythm and get that offensive machine churning.
 

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My God, English, it was Game ONE. Give it a minute before you bang Michael's drum too much.

They drafted the kid with our first pick of the draft-I'm sure they have a plan for him.
 

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Sgt. Largent":1mpj0p22 said:
theENGLISHseahawk":1mpj0p22 said:
A ton of rookies start early and learn on the run.

Not on Superbowl caliber teams with established pro bowl starters.

How many pro bowls Robert Turbin has been to? Because that's my point -- Turbin over Michael.


bestfightstory":1mpj0p22 said:
My God, English, it was Game ONE. Give it a minute before you bang Michael's drum too much.

They drafted the kid with our first pick of the draft-I'm sure they have a plan for him.

I am also sure they have a plan for him.

I am merely challenging why that plan didn't include a few snaps in game one. Which, you know, is allowed. After all, I seem to remember your depressing rants about a certain rookie twelve months ago...
 

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I for one ENJOY when theENGLISH identifies his white whale.

Get 'em for your homeland, Scotland.
 

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pehawk":2f0oov27 said:
I for one ENJOY when theENGLISH identifies his white whale.

Get 'em for your homeland, Scotland.

It's at least more enjoyable than when Tech Worlds identifies his brown donkey to berate all year. ;)
 

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SeaTown81":1kui9hya said:
pehawk":1kui9hya said:
I for one ENJOY when theENGLISH identifies his white whale.

Get 'em for your homeland, Scotland.

It's at least more enjoyable than when Tech Worlds identifies his brown donkey to berate all year. ;)

Yep. Glad that keeps me busy. If it didn't I would be constantly critiquing the state of the typical Seattle fan. :cool:
 

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theENGLISHseahawk":35yp49ok said:
bestfightstory":35yp49ok said:
My God, English, it was Game ONE. Give it a minute before you bang Michael's drum too much.

They drafted the kid with our first pick of the draft-I'm sure they have a plan for him.

I am also sure they have a plan for him.

I am merely challenging why that plan didn't include a few snaps in game one. Which, you know, is allowed. After all, I seem to remember your depressing rants about a certain rookie twelve months ago...

:snack:
 

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Unlike any of YOU, I don't care WHO the RB is, I just want to win.

I wont post here again, ever.
 

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pehawk":2nifdmlg said:
Unlike any of YOU, I don't care WHO the RB is, I just want to win.

I wont post here again, ever.

I care about the skill set, not the name.
 

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theENGLISHseahawk":1lvhsf8j said:
If we want a less effective running back spelling for Lynch, by all means keep playing Turbin.

Rookie RB's frequently start for a reason. I'm not sure what they're waiting for.

A million times, this. Turbin isn't a change of pace back, he's a back who tries to truck and can't. If we're worried about Michael's pass pro, bring him in on running downs and, to avoid predictability, throw a screen to the guy when you want to pass to slow down the rush and let him wreak havoc out there in space.
 

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How many snaps did the rook get with the first team in pre-season or in practice? I don't remember (although I could have just missed them) him showing much against first team defenses during pre-season. First game, on the road, on the east coast , behind most the game, when our OL wasn't playing well, probably isn't the best time to throw him into the fray. I'm sure he'll get his shot at some point.... and I think Turbin is by far the better all around player for now.

wait I know... this just part of the secret plan to surprise 49ers when they unleash Michael on them! 8)
 

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DavidSeven":1r4yafyx said:
A lot of excitement here over what Michael has been able to show against 2nd/3rd string defenses in preseason. I agree that he's very promising, but let's not forget he's been largely stonewalled against opposing 1s. I don't like what I've seen from him as a pass blocker. I'm going to trust Pete and Tom's judgment on when and if he should play. I don't think an ultra-tight game against Carolina's front 7 was the time to experiment in the run game.

It's easy to say Michael is deficient in pass blocking because it's hard to disprove. Here are Turbin and Michael's pass blocking ratings for each preseason game according to PFF:

Turbin
out, -0.9, -0.2, 0.3

Michael
-0.2, out, -1.5, 0.7

Michael has the worst score, but also the best. It's not obvious to me from this small sample how much better Turbin is as a pass blocker. Michael is very powerful and is a willing blocker. His Wonderlic is pretty high for an RB, so I'm pretty sure he will improve quickly in scheme and role acquisition.

His 43 yard TD at Green Bay was against 1s. When he's playing against 1s he'll have 1s blocking for him. His record breaking combine stats aren't lying. It shows up on the field.

Regardless of whether Michael should be the #2, he should get touches. He's shown the ability to catch the ball out of the backfield. Michael has Tavon Austin-like athleticism, only in a 220 lbs package. If he's a pass block risk, don't make him pass block. Yep, the defense might suspect Michael's getting the ball if he comes in the game. That's fine, we're not talking about organizing the offense around him. (We will be one day, though).

Not getting the ball into his hands in space is a big miss. I'm relieved at least that Sherman Smith's threat to leave him inactive was empty.

This last game would have been a scary one to have Michael in, though. We don't know how much of a fumble risk he is and we couldn't have afforded a sucker punch like that. I hope they bring him in as soon as we've got a game with a little breathing room.
 

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