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This thread was not what I expected.



I think Irvin has played very well. He may not have the splash plays you / we're looking for, but he's be really solid, and hasn't had too many screw ups. It's tough to make plays on this defense. It's almost like there's a line, and he's behind a number of All Pro's and Pro Bowlers.
 

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The funniest thing is that if you cut Irvin this offseason, it'd actually cost the Hawks in cap money more to cut him.

$2.547m cap hit if he's on the team. $2.617m if he's cut.

The players conceivably in danger of being cut include:

Sidney Rice - $7.3m cap savings
Chris Clemons - $7.5m cap savings
Cliff Avril - $7m cap savings
Red Bryant - $5.5m cap savings
Zach Miller - $5m cap savings
Brandon Mebane - $5.3m cap savings

I'm going to assume that Rice and Clemons are cut, and that money is split between Tate and Bennett, hopefully they don't take up all the money, and Baldwin (who is an RFA) can be signed to a reasonable deal as well.
 

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The thing I've always most liked about Irvin is his motor. You can't teach motor. And no matter who makes the play, our #1 D ranking proves we are making plays, I can only assume if Irvin is not making the play, he's chasing the play to someone else. He's big, he's fast and has a great motor. I think patience from us, and reps for him, will ultimately put him where we ant him to be.
 

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Irvin's been playing fine. Compared to the rest of the defense, I can see why he stands out as not playing well. Keep in mind that Irvin is only in his second year and is in his first year playing LB in the NFL.
 

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Throwdown":1693dd8r said:
Didn't he light Graham up and cause him to drop the ball? Bruce is fine, he's not a fatal flaw, not even a flaw. He's doing his job.

Cut him? Give me a damn break.

I agree with this gentleman right here.
 

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I don't understand the people who bag on a raw, unpolished Bruce Irvin for his efforts last year as a rookie.

Is it not enough to lead your rookie class in sacks?

Is it not enough to rank among the best pass-rushers in the NFL in terms of pressures per snap?

In comparison, I've seen many people discredit or punish Irvin for being streaky, yet idolize Chris Clemons.

Clemons, a 9 year vet in 2012, played almost twice amount of snaps than Irvin, had 31 tackles and 11.5 Sacks.

6.5 of those sacks came in just two games vs GB, @ Buf. He didn't post a sack in 8 games.

Irvin, a rookie in 2012, who played about half the snaps than Clemons, had 17 tackles and 8 sacks.

6 of those sacks came in three games vs GB, @ CAR, vs NYJ. Yeah, he didn't post a sack total in 10 games compared to Clemon's 8.

But again you have to considernot only did Clemons play almost twice as much as Irvin did but Clemon's was a grizzled 9 year veteran and Irvin was a raw, unpolished rookie.

As for 2013, and Irvin's future... its very bright... he's becoming well-rounded in terms of what he should be doing as a LBer but above anything else his athleticism allows him to be dynamite in pass coverage plus he's still an unfinished product still learning to play the position on the fly through injury and suspension.

Irvin is one of those rare LBers that is able to go toe to toe with any receiver that gets put on him even the dreaded slot WR-LBer mismatch that tends to happen from time to time. He won't always be successful, but he isn't going to be burnt toast either.

Whether this position change is to broaden his horizons in becoming a more complete LEO for the future or if the Seahawks envision him to hold fort as a unique SAM backer with a rare blend of elite speed/athleticism, size/length, and quality strength. He has value... and he definately isn't as bad as people have him out to be past or present.
 

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Chukarhawk":jr2ve1r1 said:
Not seeing a lot from this guy lately. Not sure what were paying him but next year we will have some pretty tough decsions to make and I'd cut him in a heartbeat if it meant we can keep a Sherm or a Bennett.

Not a fan of the pick myself either. he is not really a first round talent just like the pundits said.

Personally I hear you- he is not smart enough to improve. Flashes.....That's his topside. We are spoiled here in seattle.
 

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Oh dotnet... even at 12-2 and challenging for a championship, you still need your whipping boys.

Face, your 11:00 appointment has arrived. Mr. Palm will be up to see you shortly...
 

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This thread is pathetic and dumb. Why even bring up crap like this during a superbowl season. Leave this kind of crap threads to the loser teams who have already been eliminated from the playoffs.
 

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Breaking news: every single pick that isn't all-pro was a reach and should be cut. Solid starters and role-players are unacceptable on this team.
 

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I like Irvin, he has a ton of potential. I like him as an OLB more than a DE. He's a bit streaky like Clemons on the big plays, but it's hard to always get that big play when your surrounded by so many good players. He's doing fine and definitely isn't a liability.
 

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I was going to write a long defense of Irvin, but it seems most of the folks here have their head on straight, so I'm not going to bother tearing down anyone's post.

Bruce is playing great. He's been a fantastic pick and still has tremendous upside. 4.4 speed, gets pressure on the QB from the LB position, has become more and more stout in the run and has yet to be exploited in pass coverage. The pundits ate crow last year and every single draft re-grade had him in the high first round of that class.
 

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Atradees":2k3usxa6 said:
Chukarhawk":2k3usxa6 said:
Not seeing a lot from this guy lately. Not sure what were paying him but next year we will have some pretty tough decsions to make and I'd cut him in a heartbeat if it meant we can keep a Sherm or a Bennett.

Not a fan of the pick myself either. he is not really a first round talent just like the pundits said.

Personally I hear you- he is not smart enough to improve. Flashes.....That's his topside. We are spoiled here in seattle.

What has he done to show you he's not smart enough to improve? Irvin is playing a position he has never played before this season, and he's doing it pretty darn well. To me, that shows that he IS a quick learner
 

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Atradees":1t4k0wft said:
Chukarhawk":1t4k0wft said:
Not seeing a lot from this guy lately. Not sure what were paying him but next year we will have some pretty tough decsions to make and I'd cut him in a heartbeat if it meant we can keep a Sherm or a Bennett.

Not a fan of the pick myself either. he is not really a first round talent just like the pundits said.

Personally I hear you- he is not smart enough to improve. Flashes.....That's his topside. We are spoiled here in seattle.

Clearly you two are spoiled...what makes you say he's not smart enough to improve. He's not even a full season into a new position and I've yet to see him be abused out there. He flies to the ball whenever it's thrown in his area. There's a lot more to football than what shows up on the stat sheets or highlight reels.
 

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-The Glove-":3mbw43rg said:
Atradees":3mbw43rg said:
Chukarhawk":3mbw43rg said:
Not seeing a lot from this guy lately. Not sure what were paying him but next year we will have some pretty tough decsions to make and I'd cut him in a heartbeat if it meant we can keep a Sherm or a Bennett.

Not a fan of the pick myself either. he is not really a first round talent just like the pundits said.

Personally I hear you- he is not smart enough to improve. Flashes.....That's his topside. We are spoiled here in seattle.

Clearly you two are spoiled...what makes you say he's not smart enough to improve. He's not even a full season into a new position and I've yet to see him be abused out there. He flies to the ball whenever it's thrown in his area. There's a lot more to football than what shows up on the stat sheets or highlight reels.

Stat sheet GM wanabe posts...it's pure laziness, as some peeps have already posted.
 

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CANHawk":3b7rugkr said:
Oh dotnet... even at 12-2 and challenging for a championship, you still need your whipping boys.

Face, your 11:00 appointment has arrived. Mr. Palm will be up to see you shortly...

I love you
 

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KK84":24s4mztd said:
Anyone who thinks he's been invisible clearly wasn't paying attention to the New Orleans game.


Or that play where he ran down Kellen Clemens and caused the fumble. How many LB in the league can make that play?
 

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Throwdown":2ad0axir said:
CANHawk":2ad0axir said:
Oh dotnet... even at 12-2 and challenging for a championship, you still need your whipping boys.

Face, your 11:00 appointment has arrived. Mr. Palm will be up to see you shortly...

I love you

Okay... but I get to be the big spoon, aiight!
 

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I love it when people want to cut someone when there is no viable replacement in place. This is why fans are not allowed to be GMs.

+1
 

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idk a lot about managing a football team, but i feel comfortable saying sherms contract wont come down to a difference of a million or so dollars (the savings from irvin). I expect sherm and dougie to be gone next year, just not worth the return youll be getting in context of what you have the ability to replace them with. Neither of those guys will be taking a home town discount imo, baldwin wants to be the best and he wont have the opportunity to do so in our system. Sherm wants to be revered as the top guy in the league, which hopefully we wont be willing to pay him like so. i really like both guys, but baldwin is severely overrated on this site, and sherman is a SLIGHT product of our coaching brilliance. i know many of you will disagree, but no matter how many guys in our secondary go down, we still shut down elite offenses...you do the math. Enjoy this season for the here and now fellas.
 

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