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[Scout]

They havn't really been using premium picks. This past season was the first time they had made a first-round selection since Jared Goff in 2016 and they hadn't used a pick higher than a third rounder on a defensive player since Taylor Rapp in the second round in 2019. They sure killed it last year though.

Since 2020, they've used three third round picks on defensive players: Bryon Young, Kobie Turner, and Ernest Jones.

I think they might know what they're doing, unfortunately.

Rams have a lot of picks to work with this year to really augment their team. Same with the 49ers so the Hawks have to nail their draft picks or else the Rams and 49ers can create distance once again in terms of total roster composition.

This draft for JS is make or break really.

 

[Seahawker]

... about the offensive line: ‘I get it.’

https://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/nfl/seattle-seahawks/article302200829.html

A pretty sane article and take on our situation. I took note of several things in the article.

I didn't realize that Fries went 88MM over 5 years on his deal. I wouldn't have matched that deal either.

This quote rings true: “So, what does that mean? Do we just go ahead and start panicking and paying other guys who aren’t quite as good?”

Like this part: “We usually don’t jump in (to free agency that begins each March) that quick. We’ve made some decisions in the past that weren’t the best for the organization, because we weren’t patient. And you for that, because we want to be a team that is acquiring all throughout the year.”

And this too: “We need to be able to fix your team,” Schneider said. “And you have to have discipline in your spending. “I get it. We all want it. We all want things right now."

I've actually posted a couple times in frustration saying JS should be let go. This article gave me a little bit more of a perspective. They truly think that with the new coaching regime on offense that wasn't fire-saled together last season will make a difference, and I find it tough to argue with that. They also think that they have some developing players that needed both a little bit more time and some new coaching to come along.

Just changed my attitude on a few things. Not feeling as 'rudderless' about the situation now as I have in the past. He's right, you have to plan for the whole season, not just a FA splash. In particular when the biggest 'fish that got away' didn't even want to come for a physical, even given the busted leg.

Hasn't flipped me into 'magical unicorn rainbow farts' land - just a bit of perspective.

Last year the Seahawks OL ranked 31st keeping pace with their years running league near worst rating.
In 2024, the Seahawks gave up 54 sacks, the third worst in the NFL. Also since 23', we are the 7th most penalized team in the NFL. We are dead last in the league on cap spending on offense as a unit.
The only offensive lineman we have added this offseason is backup OT Josh Jones on a one-year deal.

Did we really bring in Darnold & Kupp just to trot Dickson out to try to pin opponents inside the 20 in lieu of putting points on the scoreboard?
Are we really going to once again sacrifice a solid stable of RB's because we can't move the chains? --Continually thrust into pass mode from playing behind with the clock running?

With the draft fast approaching, I guess we will soon see.

 

[warden]

Geno as sacked more times then anyone else the last three years. He also has seen more pressures than anyone else in the last three years. Our run blocking is probably worse than our pass protection. Our offensive line sucks and has sucked year after year after year.

Right now we are dead last in the amount of cap spent on OL. 20 million behind 31st place and 40 million behind 30th place. Put that into prospective, or we signed Fries at his 15 million a year we would still be in last place. We just don’t spend on our offensive line and don’t give me that crap that there were no options this year because this has been going on for years now. The teams who have committed the most to their OL, more then four times that she Seahawks have invested are the Eagles and the Chiefs. Refresh my memory who was in the Superbowl last year.

Our poor offensive line play has been going on for years now and once again so far this year we have done nothing. Maybe we address it in the draft but I have my doubts due to our history with that position under Schneider

 

[Scout]

Geno as sacked more times then anyone else the last three years. He also has seen more pressures than anyone else in the last three years. Our run blocking is probably worse than our pass protection. Our offensive line sucks and has sucked year after year after year.

Right now we are dead last in the amount of cap spent on OL. 20 million behind 31st place and 40 million behind 30th place. Put that into prospective, or we signed Fries at his 15 million a year we would still be in last place. We just don’t spend on our offensive line and don’t give me that crap that there were no options this year because this has been going on for years now. The teams who have committed the most to their OL, more then four times that she Seahawks have invested are the Eagles and the Chiefs. Refresh my memory who was in the Superbowl last year.

Our poor offensive line play has been going on for years now and once again so far this year we have done nothing. Maybe we address it in the draft but I have my doubts due to our history with that position under Schneider

Well I am really interested in seeing if JS re-signs any of the OL that are still on rookie contracts.

 

[Seahawker]

 

[glenwo2]

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Probably not but there's a Tight-End joke in here somewhere.....

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I went to Costco and got a grip of popcorn for after the draft.

 

[AnimeAmore]

Well I am really interested in seeing if JS re-signs any of the OL that are still on rookie contracts.

We'll see, but it's easy to see why they don't get re-signed.
1. Most of the OL we draft suck
2. The ones that don't suck cost more than JS is willing to pay.

That has been the conundrum. Drafting isn't good enough and the wallet mostly stays closed. That's how you end up near the bottom every year. They either need to draft better OL directly, or they need to draft better overall so they can allocate more of the cap to FA and re-signs.

 

[Ostatehawk]

I went to Costco and got a grip of popcorn for after the draft.

I really cannot wait.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Yep. No matter WHO they take, the freaking out will be legendary as usual.

 

[Wsumatt1982]

Yep. No matter WHO they take, the freaking out will be legendary as usual.

 

[Seahawker]

John needs to accept what the problem is and fix it, though I doubt he does.

Of course new coaches Kubiak & Benton are going to say they can work with the existing OL. What are they going to say?, "Your picks are subpar junk, we need to scrap some of this and start over."
No, they were just hired, they don't want their coaching abilities to appear weak or substandard. And they sure don't want to insult John right out the gate by implying his OL picks are mostly projects.
It all fits perfectly for John and his IOL is overdrafted & overvalued mindset which gives him more ammo to draft fun, shiny toys.

How many OC's, OL coaches and OL draft picks & FA's do we need to plow through with years of bottom ranked OL until they figure out how to fix it?
It is time to stop recruiting Dlll players to perform on a D1 team. There are very few college offensive linemen good enough to start in the NFL, most will be found in the first two rounds of the draft.

It's not coaching, it's not scheme, the fact that our higher pick OT's are holding their own proves this. It is lack of talent which makes consistency & continuity impossible. Couple that with weak depth & injuries and you have bottom feeder OL performance for years running.

John needs to recognize that his stance of IOL being overvalued has failed the team. They need an influx of talent to fix this.
Use #18, one of the 2nd and one of the 3rd rounders on OG, T/G, Center-C/G early. Most of the talent & difference makers will be gone by the end of the second round.
We also need to sign a couple undrafted FA's and sign a vet OL preseason cut.

We are last in OL cap spending, some teams pay one OLineman more than we pay all our starting OL. In 2013 we had one of the highest paid offensive lines.
Relying on mid-rounders after the talent is gobbled up will keep us on the same path of continued struggle.

Can John set aside a couple of his shiny toy visions in place of hitching some workhorses to the wagon to pull the toys we already have? We will see, it's his baby.

 

[CalgaryFan05]

John needs to accept what the problem is and fix it, though I doubt he does.

Of course new coaches Kubiak & Benton are going to say they can work with the existing OL. What are they going to say?, "Your picks are subpar junk, we need to scrap some of this and start over."
No, they were just hired, they don't want their coaching abilities to appear weak or substandard. And they sure don't want to insult John right out the gate by implying his OL picks are mostly projects.
It all fits perfectly for John and his IOL is overdrafted & overvalued mindset which gives him more ammo to draft fun, shiny toys.

How many OC's, OL coaches and OL draft picks & FA's do we need to plow through with years of bottom ranked OL until they figure out how to fix it?
It is time to stop recruiting Dlll players to perform on a D1 team. There are very few college offensive linemen good enough to start in the NFL, most will be found in the first two rounds of the draft.

It's not coaching, it's not scheme, the fact that our higher pick OT's are holding their own proves this. It is lack of talent which makes consistency & continuity impossible. Couple that with weak depth & injuries and you have bottom feeder OL performance for years running.

John needs to recognize that his stance of IOL being overvalued has failed the team. They need an influx of talent to fix this.
Used #18, one of the 2nd and one of the 3rd rounders on OG, T/G, Center-C/G early. Most of the talent & difference makers will be gone by the end of the second round.
We also need to sign a couple undrafted FA's and sign a vet OL preseason cut.

We are last in OL cap spending, some teams pay one OLineman more than we pay all our starting OL. In 2013 we had one of the highest paid offensive lines.
Relying on mid-rounders after the talent is gobbled up will keep us on the same path of continued struggle.

Can John set aside a couple of his shiny toy visions in place of hitching some workhorses to the wagon to pull the toys we already have? We will see, it's his baby.

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Well put.

This. All of this. A little shooter McGavin for you as a reward

 

[toffee]

Geno as sacked more times then anyone else the last three years. He also has seen more pressures than anyone else in the last three years.

Our run blocking is probably worse than our pass protection. Our offensive line sucks and has sucked year after year ~%after year.

From our front office's perspective, that was on Geno Smith, he is gone. Problem solved.

Our poor offensive line play has been going on for years now and once again so far this year we have done nothing. Maybe we address it in the draft but I have my doubts due to our history with that position under Schneider

Pete Carroll's fault; he held on to Wilson and Geno. Our new OC and QB will unleash our OL, allowing our linemen to be what they could be.

Right now we are dead last in the amount of cap spent on OL. 20 million behind 31st place and 40 million behind 30th place. Put that into prospective, or we signed Fries at his 15 million a year we would still be in last place. We just don’t spend on our offensive line and don’t give me that crap that there were no options this year because this has been going on for years now. The teams who have committed the most to their OL, more then four times that she Seahawks have invested are the Eagles and the Chiefs. Refresh my memory who was in the Superbowl last year.

Our poor offensive line play has been going on for years now and once again so far this year we have done nothing. Maybe we address it in the draft but I have my doubts due to our history with that position under Schneider

That's the Schneider doctrine. OL were often overdrafted and paid, a common league-wide mistake. Not ours. This off-season, we were disciplined; we didn't do what the lesser front office would have.

OK, you may disagree with my assessments, but that is my conclusion based on the Schneider theory, actions, and logical deduction.

 

[CouchLogic]

Who will be the first to come unglued.

 

[glenwo2]

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Who will be the first to come unglued.

What do you mean?

That would imply that people were glued in the first place.

 

[Wsumatt1982]

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Who will be the first to come unglued.

My guess is someone saying we have to pick O line 1st rd no matter what, because I bet we don’t in the 1st

 

[GemCity]

John needs to accept what the problem is and fix it, though I doubt he does.

Of course new coaches Kubiak & Benton are going to say they can work with the existing OL. What are they going to say?, "Your picks are subpar junk, we need to scrap some of this and start over."
No, they were just hired, they don't want their coaching abilities to appear weak or substandard. And they sure don't want to insult John right out the gate by implying his OL picks are mostly projects.
It all fits perfectly for John and his IOL is overdrafted & overvalued mindset which gives him more ammo to draft fun, shiny toys.

How many OC's, OL coaches and OL draft picks & FA's do we need to plow through with years of bottom ranked OL until they figure out how to fix it?
It is time to stop recruiting Dlll players to perform on a D1 team. There are very few college offensive linemen good enough to start in the NFL, most will be found in the first two rounds of the draft.

It's not coaching, it's not scheme, the fact that our higher pick OT's are holding their own proves this. It is lack of talent which makes consistency & continuity impossible. Couple that with weak depth & injuries and you have bottom feeder OL performance for years running.

John needs to recognize that his stance of IOL being overvalued has failed the team. They need an influx of talent to fix this.
Use #18, one of the 2nd and one of the 3rd rounders on OG, T/G, Center-C/G early. Most of the talent & difference makers will be gone by the end of the second round.
We also need to sign a couple undrafted FA's and sign a vet OL preseason cut.

We are last in OL cap spending, some teams pay one OLineman more than we pay all our starting OL. In 2013 we had one of the highest paid offensive lines.
Relying on mid-rounders after the talent is gobbled up will keep us on the same path of continued struggle.

Can John set aside a couple of his shiny toy visions in place of hitching some workhorses to the wagon to pull the toys we already have? We will see, it's his baby.

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Look breh….Ill agree to this once we fire Kubiak, his replacement, his replacements replacement, and then the replacement of the replacement of the replacement.

Because…you know….JS.



But honestly…magnificent post.

 

[CouchLogic]

What do you mean?

That would imply that people were glued in the first place. View attachment 70929

 

[Scout]

We'll see, but it's easy to see why they don't get re-signed.
1. Most of the OL we draft suck
2. The ones that don't suck cost more than JS is willing to pay.

That has been the conundrum. Drafting isn't good enough and the wallet mostly stays closed. That's how you end up near the bottom every year. They either need to draft better OL directly, or they need to draft better overall so they can allocate more of the cap to FA and re-signs.

At some point you need to re-sign your own.

They do not need to be a super star but homegrown and beloved by the fans.

JS needs to grow a pair.