chris98251
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I would think there is a lot of player conversation going on, 49ers are now the new Raiders, a place player really don't want to go.
rlkats":2f3c034n said:Hasselbeck":2f3c034n said:I enjoy piling on the Niners as much as any other Hawk fan, but as I said a few days ago.. the Niners not spending their money isn't necessarily a bad thing. This FA class is one of the weakest of the last 10 years.. when you start spending recklessly just to spend the money, you set your franchise up for an even longer rebuilding period.
Face it.. there were never FA's the Niners could overpay for that would take them from 4 wins to contending for the division or a wild card. I think what SF is doing this offseason by letting the market settle down is actually a smart move.
I must agree with your thought process. While some say my niners are losing the free agency Super Bowl (cough cough some hawk fans) I think waiting is smart. But get players that will help is highly important. So hopefully they start making moves that make sense.
Popeyejones":whs5jdjd said:The 9ers did extend their only FA this year who is worth a damn, Ian Williams. He's 26 and graded out as one of the best NTs in the NFL this year, and IIRC was on that same trajectory the year before until Sweazy sent him to IR on a cut block.
Boone, for all his name recognition, has been a below average starter for the past two years according to the metric sites. You saw that on the field too.
Trying to "win" free agency is always dumb, but it's particularly dumb for a team as untalented as the 9ers.
As for their cap room and all the people they've let go, I think it's very easy to criticize this in hindsight, but about 30 million of their 59 million was earmarked to go to unexpected retirements (Bam Davis and Willis) and Aldon Smith drinking himself out of the league (figure 8 APY-ish that they had earmarked for each Davis and Willis, and 14 APY or so for Smith).
In their three year projections from last off-season I think they were also earmarking Kaepernick making 14-19 APY over the next three years.
So, that everything has fallen apart and dramatically so is understandably hilarious, but it's gilding the lily to claim that it's more than that, IMO.
Popeyejones":16m054mm said:I think this a great signing for the Vikings.
Boone didn't get drafted not because he was untalented, but because he was out of shape and an alcoholic. He's been in recovery for five years now though and I don't think that's something anyone has to worry about.
Boone is making less than some might guess because while he was very good for two years, he's been a below average player for the last two years.
His value is that he can double as a swing tackle if one of the Vikes tackles goes down with injury, and tackle might even be his more natural position.
His other problem is that although he seems like a fun person to be around, he's kind of a loose cannon. I'm sure him going on HBO and saying he was glad Harbaugh was gone because Harbaugh demanded too much effort from his players and needed to just relax didn't sit well with a lot of GMs.
I like him, in the past I've liked him as a player, but I'm also not even remotely surprised the 49ers didn't resign him.
I think he makes sense on the Vikings though, and it will be a really great deal if they're planning on kicking him out to tackle a la the Raiders and Osmele.
theENGLISHseahawk":qi7im5tx said:According to Spotrac, they have $61m to spend. That's second only to Jacksonville.
And they're just sat there -- not doing anything to reshape that ramshackle roster.
Jville":3jl93rgz said:theENGLISHseahawk":3jl93rgz said:According to Spotrac, they have $61m to spend. That's second only to Jacksonville.
And they're just sat there -- not doing anything to reshape that ramshackle roster.
Not any more ........................................
According to Over-The-Cap, the 49ers are now #1 in cap space. And at the moment, dead last in active cap spending. Which, if looked at while standing on ones head, could be viewed as at the top of the list .... making them #1 in that category as well.
Overseasfan":z5gztvtj said:I find it sad. Just two years ago they were a premier contender and now they are the biggest dumpsterfire next to Cleveland.
Dude, the West from Mexico to Canada from the Rockies was under Spanish control. Seriously, what is your issue against Spain? The fact that everything they have beyond the beer is flat out better than maybe the television IF you you have the Sky Network? I'm curious so tell me.theENGLISHseahawk":kzip4mrx said:According to Spotrac, they have $61m to spend. That's second only to Jacksonville.
And they're just sat there -- not doing anything to reshape that ramshackle roster.
The good teams can afford to play it cool in free agency. Others have to be proactive. That doesn't mean trying to outbid the Giants for Olivier Vernon. But you are allowed to, you know, actually sign players.
Chip Kelly's reputation an issue? Or just the overall malaise of the franchise?
2016 might be even worse than 2015 for them.
Marvin49":1qs2f8id said:....and possibly about to clear another 8 mil or so with a Kap trade. I have no idea right now how they are going to get up to the salary floor at this point.
Popeyejones":3kt59j3r said:Marvin49":3kt59j3r said:....and possibly about to clear another 8 mil or so with a Kap trade. I have no idea right now how they are going to get up to the salary floor at this point.
The salary floor isn't a one year thing.
NFL teams across the four seasons from 2013-2016 had to spend an average of 89% of the total cap figure.
They have to do the same thing across the four years from 2017-2020.
The 9ers are already over the 89% cap floor. The Raiders and Jaguars were the only teams that weren't, whch is why they they're the two teams that made huge FA signing that dumped all the money into 2016.
If you think the 49ers are a few years off from competing, rolling over cap money into next year and the year after that in a weird way kind of makes sense for them, because of the economics of the NFL.
Basically, what the Raiders are doing right now is pretty smart.
They were one of the most pitiful franchises in the NFL, slowly built their core through the draft, and then splurged on the FA market to fill out around their core. By dumping all of that money into the last year of the four year window they can splurge like this while also not hampering their cap in the future too badly if the signings don't pan out.
Basically, if you think the 9ers are really crappy team right now and are at best two to three years away from even thinking about competing what they're doing make sense.
If you think the 9ers are a better team than their record what they're doing doesn't make as much sense.
theENGLISHseahawk":1z3eq551 said:Y'all came to my party.
This aint stalking.
As for letting the market settle -- that's cool. Only lost Alex Boone, about to have Blaine Gabbert anointed as the starter and got $60m sitting there waiting to be spent.
Ted Larsen though...
Marvin49":27hbw216 said:I knew it was a three year thing. I thought tho that it was a rolling ANY three years...IE if they didn't spend this year it would put them in danger in future years.
Either way tho....they gotta spend some money. If they go into the season 50 mil below the cap there might be riots at Levis.
peachesenregalia":5bi2uops said:What?
Hasselbeck":5bi2uops said:theENGLISHseahawk":5bi2uops said:Y'all came to my party.
This aint stalking.
As for letting the market settle -- that's cool. Only lost Alex Boone, about to have Blaine Gabbert anointed as the starter and got $60m sitting there waiting to be spent.
Ted Larsen though...
If they retain Boone and sign a Brock Osweiler (top FA QB) .. where does that leave the Niners in 2016? Are they suddenly a threat?
The answer of course is no. And there in lies my point. Spending money just to spend it doesn't always alleviate your problem, in fact many times it actually spirals your franchise on a longer road to recovery.
The Broncos are the exception, not the rule to free agency. And even then their 1 ring probably came at the expense of another 1-2 Super Bowls given the exodus of talent.
Again - the FA class being what it is and the draft being what it is.. there is no realistic way for the Niners to suddenly gain a whole lot of ground on 2 of the best teams in football.. much less the others they'd compete with for a wild card spot.