Fire Kubiak?

[AROS]

Okay, admittedly a bit tongue in cheek here but also a touch of truth. Let’s be clear, he is a massive upgrade over Grubb who has no business being an NFL coordinator.

I think he’s starting to show warts. There are games where our number 2 scoring offense looks completely inept. Like yesterday. I’m not sure he is game planning at his best or making in game adjustments like he should.

I need to see a bit more creativity and intuitiveness from him and soon or the Fire Kubiak thread becomes real.

 

[glenwo2]

Okay, admittedly a bit tongue in cheek here but also a touch of truth. Let’s be clear, he is a massive upgrade over Grubb who has no business being an NFL coordinator.

I think he’s starting to show warts. There are games where our number 2 scoring offense looks completely inept. Like yesterday. I’m not sure he is game planning at his best or making in game adjustments like he should.

I need to see a bit more creativity and intuitiveness from him and soon or the Fire Kubiak thread becomes real.

Yeah I don't believe we're at that point just yet.


This Thursday will be telling to see what exactly he has in store for both the Rams and us as fans.

 

[glenwo2]

That said, however, if Stefanski gets fired....

 

[Year of The Hawk]

Kubiak is not perfect but has given us one of the best offenses in the league. Will they put up 30+ every game. No. Its football. He does find ways to win games and in the end that’s all that really matters. Unbelievable people are calling for his head.

 

[thegameq]

Kubiak has the same problem you see all over the league with the exception of the usual suspects--Shanny, McVay, etc. There is a real problem with making adjustments in game--if at all. I forget, what telecast (did I just date my self?) I was watching years ago and the question of adjustments came up--and the answer from the NFL vet was, "adjustments are overrated. The gameplan, is the gameplan and when it doesn't work coaches start throwing things out there to see if anything works. There is no backup plan or second playbook with better plays in them. You just hope your stars can make some plays to win the game."

Are they constantly getting real-time feedback from coaches or analyst in the booth above? How is this implemented quick enough to make rapid in game adjustments/counters? It's a problem you hear from all fans. Lack of in game adjustments.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

I'm over creativity as a factor.

I mean, we all go around thinking that unpredictability is the big decider of offensive success, but what is it that the football greats always say in interviews? "Everyone knows exactly what we're gonna do, and we dare you to try to stop it."

Being an OC is about getting good execution out of your guys. All the players you ever hear, active or retired, will say that as well. I think back to Red Bryant: "It's no puzzle. You just go out and execute."

I know the announcers are out there talking about conservatism in play calling, but those guys have what, 30 seconds to diagnose a play? I remember DK Metcalf getting praised by Cris Collins worth on a route he ran for a big play and he said later, "I just ran a go route." That sort of thing happens all the time, announcers operating off canned narratives culled from some ESPN blogger and focus grouped to confirm social media spreadability. Yet people are taking their cues from those announcers when they form game narratives. Throw a swing pass once and you're called conservative. 100% of NFL teams run swing passes.

I see Kubiak as just another OC. Super Bowls are regularly won with Just Another OC. We all know now that Belichick wasn't the magic in New England.

I mean, no, you can't run too limited a set of plays and you have to be able to adapt.

But I didn't see a failure of creativity against the Colts, I saw failure of execution. I saw Laiatu Latu blowing up plays, I saw Charbs getting targeted in pass pro because teams know he's bad there, I saw inaccurate passes from Darnold, and I saw dropped balls. Yet it's all placed on the predictability factor. Why? I don't get that. Call Kubiak out for the dropped passes, the triggers not pulled, and the excessive 3rd and longs we face because the run game ain't working. Predictability? Meh. I've seen too many players talking about execution trumping predictability. Just go out there and execute.

 

[Hawkpower]

Kubiak has the same problem you see all over the league with the exception of the usual suspects--Shanny, McVay, etc. There is a real problem with making adjustments in game--if at all. I forget, what telecast (did I just date my self?) I was watching years ago and the question of adjustments came up--and the answer from the NFL vet was, "adjustments are overrated. The gameplan, is the gameplan and when it doesn't work coaches start throwing things out there to see if anything works. There is no backup plan or second playbook with better plays in them. You just hope your stars can make some plays to win the game."

Are they constantly getting real-time feedback from coaches or analyst in the booth above? How is this implemented quick enough to make rapid in game adjustments/counters? It's a problem you hear from all fans. Lack of in game adjustments.

I actually think he makes adjustments at halftime fairly decently

I am more concerned about some of the game planning coming into the game

The Colts were CLEARLY shorthanded in the secondary, and yet we came out running the ball and playing pretty conservatively

Then we went tempo for a minute, had great success, and he went back to 3 straight runs to kill the drive

What in his game planning dictated that we should be run run run against the NFL's 6th ranked rush defense that was shorthanded in the backend?

 

[Glasgow Seahawk]

He's better than Waldron and Grubb so far. Schotty was mostly good but it fell apart big time at the end when Pete reigned him in. Bevell was fine but will always be the scapegoat for the super bowl loss. Feel like OC's are a scapegoat for most fanbases.

 

[AROS]

I actually think he makes adjustments at halftime fairly decently

I am more concerned about some of the game planning coming into the game

The Colts were CLEARLY shorthanded in the secondary, and yet we came out running the ball and playing pretty conservatively

Then we went tempo for a minute, had great success, and he went back to 3 straight runs to kill the drive

What in his game planning dictated that we should be run run run against the NFL's 6th ranked rush defense that was shorthanded in the backend?

You just illustrated my point to perfection.

 

[AROS]

Bevell was fine but will always be the scapegoat for the super bowl loss.

As he should be. It is now a fact that we know it was him that called that fateful play. And far worse, he didn't take ownership of it and blamed the players.

 

[classicaaron]

im starting to get concerned. just dont want to waste this great defense. offense doesnt even need to be good, just mediocre. and when you have the best wr in the league that shouldnt be hard to accomplish.

 

[hangumhi]

I'm over creativity as a factor.

I mean, we all go around thinking that unpredictability is the big decider of offensive success, but what is it that the football greats always say in interviews? "Everyone knows exactly what we're gonna do, and we dare you to try to stop it."

Being an OC is about getting good execution out of your guys. All the players you ever hear, active or retired, will say that as well. I think back to Red Bryant: "It's no puzzle. You just go out and execute."

I know the announcers are out there talking about conservatism in play calling, but those guys have what, 30 seconds to diagnose a play? I remember DK Metcalf getting praised by Cris Collins worth on a route he ran for a big play and he said later, "I just ran a go route." That sort of thing happens all the time, announcers operating off canned narratives culled from some ESPN blogger and focus grouped to confirm social media spreadability. Yet people are taking their cues from those announcers when they form game narratives. Throw a swing pass once and you're called conservative. 100% of NFL teams run swing passes.

I see Kubiak as just another OC. Super Bowls are regularly won with Just Another OC. We all know now that Belichick wasn't the magic in New England.

I mean, no, you can't run too limited a set of plays and you have to be able to adapt.

But I didn't see a failure of creativity against the Colts, I saw failure of execution. I saw Laiatu Latu blowing up plays, I saw Charbs getting targeted in pass pro because teams know he's bad there, I saw inaccurate passes from Darnold, and I saw dropped balls. Yet it's all placed on the predictability factor. Why? I don't get that. Call Kubiak out for the dropped passes, the triggers not pulled, and the excessive 3rd and longs we face because the run game ain't working. Predictability? Meh. I've seen too many players talking about execution trumping predictability. Just go out there and execute.

Couldn't agree more. Yesterday's offense looked ugly because of dropped balls, a few bad passes, penalties, missed blocks, poor O-line run blocking which didn't allow the play action to have an impact. If we have no ability to run, the play action isn't available. If play action isn't available, our offense will suffer as it did yesterday. Poor execution

 

[thegameq]

I actually think he makes adjustments at halftime fairly decently

I am more concerned about some of the game planning coming into the game

The Colts were CLEARLY shorthanded in the secondary, and yet we came out running the ball and playing pretty conservatively

Then we went tempo for a minute, had great success, and he went back to 3 straight runs to kill the drive

What in his game planning dictated that we should be run run run against the NFL's 6th ranked rush defense that was shorthanded in the backend?

If I had to guess, he was afraid of their pass rush versus our offensive line. I think we may be in for more of that as Kubiak looks to take pressure off of Darnold. But the pass was working so well in the second half.....

 

[RiverDog]

Okay, admittedly a bit tongue in cheek here but also a touch of truth. Let’s be clear, he is a massive upgrade over Grubb who has no business being an NFL coordinator.

I think he’s starting to show warts. There are games where our number 2 scoring offense looks completely inept. Like yesterday. I’m not sure he is game planning at his best or making in game adjustments like he should.

I need to see a bit more creativity and intuitiveness from him and soon or the Fire Kubiak thread becomes real.

I realize that the thread title was more of an attention getter vs. an actual advocation of firing Kubiak. But I don't want to see us firing two OC's in successive seasons as I think it sets a bad precedent. What the hell is JS/MM doing in the first place if they can't find an OC that fits their system? That was one of the problems with our previous regime, that Pete kept deflecting blame by firing his coordinators.

I've mentioned it in a couple of threads, but I'm getting the feeling that teams have figured us out, that there's a book on how to stop the Seahawks offense. We no longer have running lanes, Sam doesn't throw to the first or second receivers on his progression, etc. It's just a feeling that our offense is out of sync, no rhythm. I do think that there's something wrong with our play calling and/or play design.

 

[hawkfan68]

Okay, admittedly a bit tongue in cheek here but also a touch of truth. Let’s be clear, he is a massive upgrade over Grubb who has no business being an NFL coordinator.

I think he’s starting to show warts. There are games where our number 2 scoring offense looks completely inept. Like yesterday. I’m not sure he is game planning at his best or making in game adjustments like he should.

I need to see a bit more creativity and intuitiveness from him and soon or the Fire Kubiak thread becomes real.

Agreed. Running sweeps to Shaheed isn't being creative. It's the only thing that was close to creativity in yesterday's game. The gameplan was bland and very conservative. it almost cost them the game.

 

[pmedic920]

Agreed. Running sweeps to Shaheed isn't being creative. It's the only thing that was close to creativity in yesterday's game. The gameplan was bland and very conservative. it almost cost them the game.

My hope is. They have things up their sleeve that they didn’t want the Rams staff to have fresh tape on.
Hopefully this Colts game was the red herring

 

[hawkfan68]

He's better than Waldron and Grubb so far. Schotty was mostly good but it fell apart big time at the end when Pete reigned him in. Bevell was fine but will always be the scapegoat for the super bowl loss. Feel like OC's are a scapegoat for most fanbases.

I believe "culprit" is the more appropriate word here. Bevell was the culprit for the super bowl loss. He isn't the scapegoat. Lockette was the scapegoat. Bevell scapegoated him by saying he didn't go hard enough for the ball. He called that play and then blamed everyone else for it.

 

[Aircrew]

Okay, admittedly a bit tongue in cheek here but also a touch of truth. Let’s be clear, he is a massive upgrade over Grubb who has no business being an NFL coordinator.

I think he’s starting to show warts. There are games where our number 2 scoring offense looks completely inept. Like yesterday. I’m not sure he is game planning at his best or making in game adjustments like he should.

I need to see a bit more creativity and intuitiveness from him and soon or the Fire Kubiak thread becomes real.

Funny, I had a similar thought after the game yesterday.

I agree with everything you've stated. But, while there certainly is reason for concern, I conversely think he's earned the opportunity to improve because of how good the offense has looked when Kubiak's gameplan is "on". If I'm Macdonald, I try working it out with him. And outside of an offensive genius coming available, bringing in another guy may not necessarily be an improvement.

 

[warden]

Our offensive line got exposed by blitz happy Vikings and Falcons. The blueprint is out on how to attack our line. Common occurrence in the NFL that other teams figure you out sometimes. What matters is how we adjust and change up things while still staying true to your philosophies.

This is football

 

[Runscott]

This Thursday will be telling to see what exactly he has in store for both the Rams and us as fans.

Our thoughts exactly. We've been at every home game except the Vikings, and Kubiak has had a different plan for every game. I see him as being very creative and having a fairly sound plan for each game; however, the conservative approach yesterday barely worked, and quite frankly, in retrospect it seems to have had a 50/50 chance of working. So, to me that means it was not a great plan. But our defensive strategy wasn't much better - we should have gone into this game thinking that Rivers would be handing the ball off a lot, and trying a few short passes. But we gave him the short passes and that led to him moving the ball far enough that they were able to pin us inside the 15 over and over again. And what's worse, we didn't adjust whatsoever at halftime.