Does Macdonald keep Geno?

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People do tend to overvalue QBs and the need for a superstar QB to win games IMO.

What that means is that Penix and guys like him will probably go in the top half of the 1st round just because "everybody knows you need a superstar QB" to win in the NFL. I didn't watch his whole UW career, just a few games at the end of it and I'll admit, he wins a lot of games. I'd love to get him, but...

I wouldn't try to trade up to get him, and I'm not sure we have the resources to do that anyway.

Plus, I'm really in the 'trade down to pick up a 2d round pick if we can' club. Those can be gold if handled right.

So, if he's there at #16 I'd be sorely tempted to grab him for sure, but it would hurt to do so.

Of course, a lot depends on our new OC, assuming we get one before next week. He would have to sign on to the Geno, keep or dump, decision too. If we keep him it eases the need for a QB a bit, if we move him out the need rather obviously increases. Oh, and what do we do with Lock as well?
I love him at 16, but I wouldn't trade up for him, and I don't think anyone on team draft a qb would either.

No way should they reach, drafting a qb high is a commitment, keep trading back or draft elsewhere until you find your guy.

I think Geno could be that guy and has a good chance of being there at 16.

But you are absolutely right about the OC, I really, really hate that we don't have OC OR QB coach in place when such an important decision about the immediate future of the offense is riding on a decision so close
 

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At the end of the day if we keep leonard I'm happy with the trade, but it does sting not having a 2nd when talking about the draft lol.

Trade down for penix is the dream but I think he's probably going around late teens if we don't take him after he apparently looked miles ahead of bo at senior bowl practices.
Except that's not true. His practices were decent but not great. Not sure why he elected not to start. Wish he had.
 

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See Bryce Young. All-time first ballot HOF stone cold lock of the century. You simply do not know - like ever.
Good point!

They definitely took the 21 year old short qb to win immediately with that dumpster fire roster.

It's too soon to say anything about Bryce, his best receiver was ADAM THIELEN, 33 year old who hadn't hit 1000 yards since 2018!!!

I get what you're saying, but terrible choice lol, and you simply do not know if the qb you draft to either sit behind, replace now, or replace geno in two years is going to be the guy either.

New team, time for new qb though
 

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Get the QB of the future when the time is right? That would be this year,( or last year) because the QB corp in the 2025 draft looks weak and the Seahawks are not likely to be in position to draft any exception that stands out. So that would mean 2026 which means Metcalf, Walker, Cross, Lucas, Woolen, Mafe would all be FA's unless extensions happen and Lockett would be gone. NFL is a endless treadmill of churning personnel and the goal of waiting for a QB until the trenches are just right is a fantasy. Better to take shots at QB when there is a opportunity, because a good QB can stick for a decade and you fix the trenches best you can then.
This x 1000! You take your shot and move on. If it doesn't work, so be it. What we have now isn't working either, so it's not like we can do much worse. And if he really sucks and we tank, we get a great draft pic and a chance to get a top five qb pick in a year or two. All qb's are risky picks. All of them. Just ask Carolina and Houston. No risk, no reward.
 

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He's not talking specifically about me, no. Partially, but not directed solely at me. But there are plenty of people here who bring up fairly mild and reasonable critiques of portions of Penix's makeup as a prospect and get the same treatment with the same "you don't watch him, obviously" swipes.

Dismissing fair points as "they don't watch football, obviously" over and over and over is just an insult to anyone who disagrees - and the majority disagree with his assessment of Penix. Even people higher than baseline on Penix would get this treatment if they don't tab him as a sure thing, immediate face-of-the-franchise stud.

The truth is that he's a lefty with questionable pocket presence, questionable decision making under duress, questionable footwork, and 2 ACL tears on the same knee. He also has bar-none the best arm in the class, makes several absolute mic drop throws per contest, and seems to have some modicum of "clutch" to his game.

This all adds up to a prospect worthy of fandom and support, but with undeniable red flags and, I'm sorry, a far-from-sure-thing chance of pro success. I don't see why anyone would be insulted by that evaluation, which is in line with most educated evaluations that have been posted on the guy, yet here we are.

Of course, they clearly don't watch, so who knows.
I love the succinct but complete way you laid out the concerns about Penix. Better than any article I've seen so far and laid out in just a few sentences.
 

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I watched every game he played at UW and still have concerns. Would be happy if we got him in the third round but not at #16. My concerns aren't just injury related. He played behind an incredible line that protected him incredibly well. The Michigan game was more like what he'd face in the NFL and he looked bad. Plus, he got injured.

Penix is a guy who's hard to project. All QBs are hard to project from college to the NFL but in his case it's particularly hard. His arm is world class. He's not a statue but he's had injuries and at Washington was protected so he could throw from the pocket. His best passes were to receivers who were significantly better than the guys guarding them. Threw a great fade route but was not accurate over the middle of the field. Could at times scramble enough to avoid pressure. Looked great that way at the SugarBowl. But all year, when faced with significant pressure, it was hit or miss. There were games where he'd throw a touchdown when the opponent blitzed and others when he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. There were some close games that shouldn't have been close. UW would have lost to ASU but for Mish Powell's interception. The offense couldn't do anything that night. In the Apple Cup, the offense got shut down often and the last series we were lucky the ball wasn't intercepted before Gross nailed the field goal.

I could imagine Penix doing well in the right situation with the right coaches and the right protection. I could also imagine him not lasting a season.
I'd love him in the 7th round, but sadly, like the 3rd he won't be there.

If you go through literally any QB's games you can find things to take apart, I certainly can with Caleb but guess what? I'd still take him over penix,and I'd still be ecstatic with Penix at 16.

Also not sure what you meant at the end? If you meant by injury that's fair and I'd point out the last two seasons not missing a snap due to injury, including the end where he was hurt, still finished the game, and still lit it up at senior bowl practices shortly afterwards. If you meant because of talent I don't know what to tell you.
 

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Good point!

They definitely took the 21 year old short qb to win immediately with that dumpster fire roster.

It's too soon to say anything about Bryce, his best receiver was ADAM THIELEN, 33 year old who hadn't hit 1000 yards since 2018!!!

I get what you're saying, but terrible choice lol, and you simply do not know if the qb you draft to either sit behind, replace now, or replace geno in two years is going to be the guy either.

New team, time for new qb though
Agree - that wasn't a pro or anti Geno post. That was a no matter what you just can't predict what a given player is going to do post. I'm glad I'm not the one having to make the decision.
 

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See Bryce Young. All-time first ballot HOF stone cold lock of the century. You simply do not know - like ever.
And even he had big questions despite his stock being so high.

Namely the fact that hes got the body of a 15 year old Korean girl, but that ended up not being the worst part of his play so far I suppose.
 

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Agree - that wasn't a pro or anti Geno post. That was a no matter what you just can't predict what a given player is going to do post. I'm glad I'm not the one having to make the decision.
It's a tough, tough friggin' business, and made worse by the fact that you're gonna be judged by the result more than the process.
 

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And even he had big questions despite his stock being so high.

Namely the fact that hes got the body of a 15 year old Korean girl, but that ended up not being the worst part of his play so far I suppose.
Seriously - every time I see the guy take a hit I fear for his life. He looks like a real-life bobble head out there. A K-Pop bobble head at that. He is wee.
 

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Except that's not true. His practices were decent but not great. Not sure why he elected not to start. Wish he had.
They kept the other QB's short too, Nix and rattler threw like 6 passes lol. 30(!) players practiced and sat out, there's not really anything to take away from that.

The quotes from people there were gushing over penix in practice (after a meh day one), but I wasn't there so that's whatever. We'll see him again closer towards the draft.

If he looks bad in qb drills and runs 4.7s I'll happily eat my words
 

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Penix reminds me of Rodgers in some ways, 180 degrees from Wilson, has that Gunslinger Farve feeling about him also. If he falls to us you have to get him, he will have Macdonald grey haired in 3 seasons but he will also win.
 

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I'd love him in the 7th round, but sadly, like the 3rd he won't be there.

If you go through literally any QB's games you can find things to take apart, I certainly can with Caleb but guess what? I'd still take him over penix,and I'd still be ecstatic with Penix at 16.

Also not sure what you meant at the end? If you meant by injury that's fair and I'd point out the last two seasons not missing a snap due to injury, including the end where he was hurt, still finished the game, and still lit it up at senior bowl practices shortly afterwards. If you meant because of talent I don't know what to tell you.
He could be there in the third. Hard to say. Every team would have to elect someone else twice but there are real questions. Depends how dazzled they are by the great arm. The arm is special.

You're right that no one's a sure thing but I'd gladly take Williams with pick #1. Absolutely and without hesitation. He's got the arm, the wheels, a really special ability to scramble and throw on the run. He's hard to take down and appears to be sturdy. He's as solid a QB prospect as one sees.

Injury is the reason I said I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't last a season. In terms of talent alone, one would expect him to at least be a competent backup and possibly an excellent franchise guy a team builds around. Obviously, one would need a team willing to expend resources on its O line, so not Seattle under Carroll.
 

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I wouldn't be surprised if Penix doesn't run the 40.
 

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Seriously - every time I see the guy take a hit I fear for his life. He looks like a real-life bobble head out there. A K-Pop bobble head at that. He is wee.
I had that fear when he got hit in college. But he seemed to hold up well despite my concerns.
 

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Nah, people have already made up their minds about the guy. I'm glad the scouts and the teams are the ones making the choice.
 
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