Mercifully...thank you
- It joined the rest of public discourse, where it devolves into everything sucks or is awesome and you dare not challenge it. The concept of nuance is dead.
If he’s not re-signed, this move was 100% a fail.
Green had a huge fumbling problem that Holmgren believed would never be corrected so he got almost no touches as a Seahawk. Holmgren despised TOs even more than PC did.Packers trade Vinson, draft pick to Seattle
MILWAUKEE (AP) -- Looking to improve their special teams and offensive backfield depth, the Green Bay Packers acquired kick returner and running back Ahman Green from the Seattle Seahawks onjournaltimes.com
This is our worst trade. Though I consider him borderline HoF, and not a lock as 68 seems to think.
I am old enough to remember the debates back then about it. I didn't necessarily disagree with Holmgren regarding the fumbles, but Vinson was not a good CB and would not have moved the needle for us.
It's irrelevant whether he's re-signed. Could have signed him in the off season without giving up any picks. We got a ten game rental for a second and a fifth in a year where we weren't going anywhere anyway. In fact, we'd probably have higher picks had he not been there. Any wins he caused are meaningless. Was major malpractice to trade for him and, in my view, a more than fireable offense. A selfish and wasteful move by a head coach looking out primarily for himself. Should have stepped down a few years back rather than running the team like a spoiled, entitled kid running his own little football fiefdom. So glad Jody finally stepped in.
The 2nd and 5th was steep. But, there’s zero guarantees that we could’ve signed him with anymore or any less confidence had he made it to the off-season.
For me, that's a gross understatement. I'm pounding my fists over loss of that second and want to string someone up. The problem with the Hawks since the early days of the Carroll/Schneider era is failure to be efficient with draft picks and cap space.
100% agree. One thing though is they may get up to a 3rd round comp pick if he signs elsewhere
Hometown discount? Very unlikely. At this point in his career, I’m assuming he is going to want to get paid.
We wouldn't have been able to sign him. He would have been tagged (might still be). We don't know if he was a rental yet, and if he was, we'll get a 3rd round comp. The wins he caused were meaningless because of draft picks? Come on you're smarter than that.
Not just the run, he was our best pass rusher outside of mafe, and that's debatable when you consider the double teams and higher difficulty of rushing inside.
Could not disagree more. Heck, the Cowboys were offering a second for Thomas when he was still a great safety and we kept holding out for a first. Any comp, if we get one, will be end of the third round. The wins this year were absolutely meaningless. If we had made the playoffs, we'd have been out in the Wildcard round. If we miraculously survived that, we'd have been destroyed in the next game. No way we were beating Detroit again. We caught them early and they weren't ready for us, since we had looked so bad against the Rams. They'd have crushed us.
