Russell Wilson meme thread

[BlueTalon]

He is a hall of famer for gods sake it’s not even a question.

Nah. He legit had a chance to play himself INTO the Hall of Fame. He switched teams, got exactly the situation he wanted, helped to create the offense with a coaching staff he considered himself "partners" with. He had all the input he ever asked for. If there was ever a time to showcase his HOF credentials, it was his first season with the Broncos. Let Russ Cook!

And he faceplanted. He faceplanted hard. He burnt the toast, and scorched the pot when he tried to boil water. For a while, it was easy to blame his rookie head coach Hackett. And sure, Hackett did himself no favors. Remember what happened in game 2 last year? the crowd counting down the play clock? It happened again this year, only this year Hackett wasn't the coach, it was the great Sean Payton. Interesting, how that problem seemed to persist.

If Russ had lit it up in his first year in Denver, he'd be as close as he could be to a lock for HOF. But he didn't. Not only that, but Seattle did much better than expected with Pete and Geno. And that was after Me3 created the narrative that Pete was holding Russ back. Russ and his entourage were the ones who created the Pete vs. Russ narrative. They were the ones who set the stage for what happened last season. And what happened last season was that Pete & Geno shined, and Russ stunk.

Last year, he stunk with Hackett, and now he's stinking with Payton. Oh, he's getting his personal stats alright, but somehow his team isn't benefitting. Regardless, the narrative has shifted. The narrative now is that Russ didn't know how good he had it in Seattle, and that much/most of his success in Seattle is due to the coaches and team that surrounded him there. So yes, he could very well be playing himself out of the HOF.

 

[FlyingGunHawk]

Honest question to the .net

If Hasselbeck in his prime and you put him on the 2013 and 2014 Seahawks teams, do they win the Super Bowl?

I've asked this question a few times to friends and their answers vary.

 

[BlueTalon]

Honest question to the .net

If Hasselbeck in his prime and you put him on the 2013 and 2014 Seahawks teams, do they win the Super Bowl?

I've asked this question a few times to friends and their answers vary.

I believe so. Thinking back to the goal line interception, it's easy to imagine Hass saying the same thing to Marshawn that he did before the Beastquake run: "Go get 'em, Marshawn!"

 

[AROS]

Honest question to the .net

If Hasselbeck in his prime and you put him on the 2013 and 2014 Seahawks teams, do they win the Super Bowl?

I've asked this question a few times to friends and their answers vary.

In my mind, 100%.

With Lynch as his RB? That legendary defense? Absolutely. No doubt in my mind.

 

[Film12Hawk]

Honest question to the .net

If Hasselbeck in his prime and you put him on the 2013 and 2014 Seahawks teams, do they win the Super Bowl?

I've asked this question a few times to friends and their answers vary.

Without a doubt. It's easy to forget how pinpoint accurate he was. He didn't have the most consistent receivers as having to throw to Darrell Jackson and Koren Robinson isn't exactly going to inspire fear on the opposition. Bobby Engram too. He only had one season of over 1,000 yards. They had so many drops during Matt's prime. Take 2004 alone when that number was 41. This was second in the league. He also didn't really have a consistent TE until John Carlson one could argue. With Zach Miller (a natural receiver while still with the Raiders but was a better run blocker for us since RW can't see down the middle of the field), Doug Baldwin, Golden Tate, Jermaine Kearse, and Sidney Rice I think he could've done special things.

 

[CactusJack]

Honest question to the .net

If Hasselbeck in his prime and you put him on the 2013 and 2014 Seahawks teams, do they win the Super Bowl?

I've asked this question a few times to friends and their answers vary.

yes.

 

[knownone]

The greatest obstacle to Russell's HoF case is Kirk Cousins. They were drafted the same year: Russ went into an ideal situation, Cousins into a terrible one. They have nearly identical per-game stats. And unless Russ has a career resurgence, Kirk will likely pass him in career stats despite not becoming a full-time start until his fourth season.

If they swapped places in 2012, what changes? We didn't really have ammunition to answer that question until Russ joined the Broncos. Now, it's much easier to say Russ was the product of Seattle rather than the driving force.

 

[FlyingGunHawk]

Beastmode was going to make most QB's look good lol

 

[chris98251]

Honest question to the .net

If Hasselbeck in his prime and you put him on the 2013 and 2014 Seahawks teams, do they win the Super Bowl?

I've asked this question a few times to friends and their answers vary.

We may have had three, the year we lost to Atlanta may have been a win also with Hass, he had that same drive as the rest of the team and not the stand offish personality of Wilson. Guys loved playing for and with him.

 

[chrispy]

Honest question to the .net

If Hasselbeck in his prime and you put him on the 2013 and 2014 Seahawks teams, do they win the Super Bowl?

I've asked this question a few times to friends and their answers vary.

The recent KJ/ADB podcast enlightened an aspect relevant to this question. ADB had close to 0 (1 or 2, I can't remember) targets that entire game. He insisted he was open on every play. Maybe. Maybe not. DRevis followed ADB most of the game:#1DB v #1WR. Russ never went to Baldwin. I'd interpret that as protecting the ball because he was scared of Revis.

Hass would not DQ DBaldwin just because he was on Revis island. With that change alone, the game might have a turnover earlier, but DBaldwin would also have 5 or 6 catches for 75 yds and 3 or more 3rd down conversions. Baldwin would have been the target in the end zone on a pass play or Hass would have just handed it off. It would have been a very different game, but I believe it would have looked similar to the the previous year's Championship game if Hass, TJack or Geno were playing instead of RCW.

 

[hawkfan68]

We may have had three, the year we lost to Atlanta may have been a win also with Hass, he had that same drive as the rest of the team and not the stand offish personality of Wilson. Guys loved playing for and with him.

Russ wasn’t the reason the Seahawks lost to Atlanta. The defense didn’t hold up their end late in that game when the Seahawks took a 28-27 lead. Russ was one of the reasons they were in the playoffs in the first place. The prior year with TJack they finished 7-9 ended the season on a 2 game losing streak and missing the playoffs. That was with Lynch and LOB on the team.

 

[Palmegranite]

I think the kind of beard Fitzpatrick has is silly-lookin', but I don't see how that's relevant to the weight we should give Fitzpatrick's opinion on NFL quarterbacks....

All I'm sayin' is that in spite of his Southern Fried beard, Ryan Fitzpatrick would've gotten kicked out of ZZ Top for throwing too many picks..

 

[BlueTalon]

Russ wasn’t the reason the Seahawks lost to Atlanta. The defense didn’t hold up their end late in that game when the Seahawks took a 28-27 lead. Russ was one of the reasons they were in the playoffs in the first place. The prior year with TJack they finished 7-9 ended the season on a 2 game losing streak and missing the playoffs. That was with Lynch and LOB on the team.

Yes and no. If the offense puts up more points in the first half, the back end of the game plays out differently.

 

[hawkfan68]

Yes and no. If the offense puts up more points in the first half, the back end of the game plays out differently.

They had a rough 1st half but wasn’t all on Russ. I recall a Lynch fumble on their end of the field. Russ still threw for 385 yards that day and had a rating of 109.1

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[ivotuk]

Honest question to the .net

If Hasselbeck in his prime and you put him on the 2013 and 2014 Seahawks teams, do they win the Super Bowl?

I've asked this question a few times to friends and their answers vary.

Yes. Russell was still young then, and didn't have Hass' experience. There was always the chance Matthew could have hurt himself running out of bounds though...

 

[FlyingGunHawk]

Yes. Russell was still young then, and didn't have Hass' experience. There was always the chance Matthew could have hurt himself running out of bounds though...

Those pesky abdominal sprains. Running out of bounds really get to you after a while.

 

[rcaido]

The greatest obstacle to Russell's HoF case is Kirk Cousins. They were drafted the same year: Russ went into an ideal situation, Cousins into a terrible one. They have nearly identical per-game stats. And unless Russ has a career resurgence, Kirk will likely pass him in career stats despite not becoming a full-time start until his fourth season.

If they swapped places in 2012, what changes? We didn't really have ammunition to answer that question until Russ joined the Broncos. Now, it's much easier to say Russ was the product of Seattle rather than the driving force.

I like Kirk but they are not even close. Kirk only has one playoff win and most of his stats were garbage time because he was trailing most games. Very similar to Stafford before he went to the Rams. Stafford though was able to get a ring but he did everything he could to lose that superbowl. I dont really see any other QB competing against Wilson during his era.

If Wilson continues to produce, which is a big if, he might get the all time rushing leader. He is currently #2 all time in Passer Rating. Might crack top 10 all time in TD's too. This if he plays for 3 or 4 more years.

 

[knownone]

I like Kirk but they are not even close. Kirk only has one playoff win and most of his stats were garbage time because he was trailing most games. Very similar to Stafford before he went to the Rams. Stafford though was able to get a ring but he did everything he could to lose that superbowl. I dont really see any other QB competing against Wilson during his era.

If Wilson continues to produce, which is a big if, he might get the all time rushing leader. He is currently #2 all time in Passer Rating. Might crack top 10 all time in TD's too. This if he plays for 3 or 4 more years.

I wasn't comparing their career accolades. Obviously, Russ has more playoff wins. My point was that Russell's failing outside of Seattle would open up the Kirk Cousins hypothetical. Basically: what would their careers look like if Russ went to the Commanders and Kirk went to the Seahawks? Or to use something measurable, what do their careers look like post-LoB?

Since 2017—the first year Russ didn't have a top 5 defense—Russ and Kirk's stats, playoff accomplishments, and wins are virtually identical. If Russ doesn't turn his career around in Denver (or elsewhere), Cousins will likely catch him in everything but Passer Rating, which would still be comparatively close. The only reason there is a significant gap in career stats currently is because Russ has played 31 more games.

 

[FlyingGunHawk]

Russ isn't doing much to help with Win/loss record as a starter in Denver either. 4-13 as a starter there so far. Which is bewildering compared to how much winning he did in Seattle. Its quite telling how good of a team he was on while here. Things just worked. Until they didn't.

 

[strohmin]

Honest question to the .net

If Hasselbeck in his prime and you put him on the 2013 and 2014 Seahawks teams, do they win the Super Bowl?

I've asked this question a few times to friends and their answers vary.

oh I a 100% believe Matt wins us 2 superbowls. I feel like you could put a Kirk Cousins and he would do the same. You may think Kirk Cousins is a bad qb but I think he is a decent QB without an ego which is all we needed. He wouldn't need to do much other than utilize all the offensive weapons we had and we had some pretty damn good weapons.