Jalen Carter

[FrodosFinger]

 

[Chukarhawk]

I dont know. If Pete and John have done their due diligience, spoken to him, and have a confidence that hes a good guy whos done some childish things, Carter may be the EXACT type of guy they want.

They've always prized the players with a chip or who have an underdog mentality or who are looking for a second chance. Not often do those types come with top 10 talent.

In Carter, they *could have a blue chip player who has bottomed out in terms of emotional strain, having been involved in an event that took the life of two friends, and who is now hearing across the nation, how his career is over before it started, how he's the definition of a redflag, etc.

If his poor workout showing was a result of being a kid who has just learned the hardest life lesson one can, and who is struggling mightily as a result, having a team show confidence in him and supporting him in 'exile' in south alaska, could be exactly the recipe to turn him into one of those types who is eternally grateful (and eternally motivated like hes never been) to make good on his gift.

I don't want anyone that soft.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

He is a 43 end. He doesn't fit the defense at all.

The Hawks D is not as rigid as you're thinking it is.

As are most defenses, far more fluid than fans think. Just last year the Hawks played 3-4, 4-3, Bear front, press man, cover 2, 3, etc.

Wilson is an absolute freak of a human, with length, bend and athleticism for days. So don't worry about him "fitting" into whatever schemes we're running.

As far as Carter goes? I was still 80% in on him despite the accident, but after yesterday? I'm 100% out. Off field immaturity issues can turn to a mature human being as time goes along, but on field fire for the game? Desire to prove the doubters wrong by killing it at your pro day..............IN YOUR TOWN..........AT YOUR SCHOOL.........WITH A COMPLETELY CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT OF YOUR CHOOSING.

And throwing up all over yourself? Nope. I'm out, too important of a pick to whiff on a dude who appears to not be fully engaged in his professional job interview, cause that's what pro days are. Job interviews, and Carter failed his miserably.

 

[Bear-Hawk]

Skipping some drills is also a big deal to me at his own pro day after not doing anything at the combine.

At the risk of sounding old, the problem with Carter seems like he hasn't had to face consequences very often. Conditioning isn't good? That's fine, he can still be the star on two national championship teams and a top draft pick. Pulled over for reckless driving? That's fine, we'll give him a warning because he's a star on the football team. Fleeing the scene of an accident? That may work out fine with some community service.

If he were to fall in the draft due to this incident then I could see him using it as a wakeup call and motivation. So the team that drafts him at #33 for $4.3m could get a pro bowler with a chip on his shoulder, but a team that takes him at #3 for $24m gets a bust who's focus is on enjoying his $24m.

This may be true, but I’ll bet he still goes top-10. People know a lot less than they think they know. His coach and his teammates know him a lot better than any of us. Personally, if I got drunk and got into a drag race with a woman who was .197 intoxicated and two people died, I would be suffering the effects of depression and guilt right now, and need to work through that before I’d be in any mental or physical condition to play football.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

This may be true, but I’ll bet he still goes top-10. People know a lot less than they think they know. His coach and his teammates know him a lot better than any of us. Personally, if I got drunk and got into a drag race with a woman who was .197 intoxicated and two people died, I would be suffering the effects of depression and guilt right now, and need to work through that before I’d be in any mental or physical condition to play football.

If Carter was a DB, or WR, or even a LB I'd agree with you.

But the NFL is a cold hard business, and a meritocracy. That means there's no room for feeling sorry for yourself, or expecting teams who are depending on you for years to come to not play up to expectations or desire.

This is especially true of the DT position. It's a nasty position, double teams, thankless at times. You better LOVE the game of football. Your desire and heart better exceed even your own talent.

And right now? Carter sure looks the part of Andre Wadsworth or Biggy Daddy Wilkinson busts, far more than a franchise DT that we need him to be.

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

Under this coach, 5 of 6 captains got arrested.

 

[Ostatehawk]

Jalen Carter looked like a "sack of potatoes"... Maybe "Ciara" would consider him as a draft choice.

I think I will call him "Tater".

 

[Bear-Hawk]

If Carter was a DB, or WR, or even a LB I'd agree with you.

But the NFL is a cold hard business, and a meritocracy. That means there's no room for feeling sorry for yourself, or expecting teams who are depending on you for years to come to not play up to expectations or desire.

This is especially true of the DT position. It's a nasty position, double teams, thankless at times. You better LOVE the game of football. Your desire and heart better exceed even your own talent.

And right now? Carter sure looks the part of Andre Wadsworth or Biggy Daddy Wilkinson busts, far more than a franchise DT that we need him to be.

That’s right. It’s a very tough position to play. His coach said yesterday that he came back and played through injuries twice this season for his teammates. They have also supported him. If he’s having a hard time psychologically right now, that’s understandable (to me) and would not consider that justification for a “bust” prediction. It’s been only 60 days since the fatal accident. Try to imagine how it might affect you if you did something this stupid and two people died needlessly.

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

That’s right. It’s a very tough position to play. His coach said yesterday that he came back and played through injuries twice this season for his teammates. They have also supported him. If he’s having a hard time psychologically right now, that’s understandable (to me) and would not consider that justification for a “bust” prediction. It’s been only 60 days since the fatal accident. Try to imagine how it might affect you if you did something this stupid and two people died needlessly.

So are you saying Bears at 9 if we pass?

 

[m0ng0]

I don't want him at this point, I trust John and Pete will adjust and give the right people

 

[Rat]

He already had a reputation for taking plays off. Nobody should be surprised that he struggled to get through drills. Depression is a very real thing, but this has been part of a pattern for Carter, not an isolated incident.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

That’s right. It’s a very tough position to play. His coach said yesterday that he came back and played through injuries twice this season for his teammates. They have also supported him. If he’s having a hard time psychologically right now, that’s understandable (to me) and would not consider that justification for a “bust” prediction. It’s been only 60 days since the fatal accident. Try to imagine how it might affect you if you did something this stupid and two people died needlessly.

I said cold heartless business, and I meant it.

I wish the man well, but that doesn't mean I want to risk our once every 20 year #5 pick on him. Apparently you do?

If he drops down into the mid teens? Then my interest for trading up to grab Carter at 16 or 17 is re-engaged. But at 5? I'm out.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

No doubt. After yesterday, no thx. IF he was there at 20? Probably worth considering. I still don't buy that he's going to drop out of the first round. I'll believe it when I see it. A lot can change in the next 5 weeks before the draft.

 

[bigskydoc]

Given that he wasn't drunk, as has been rumored. Given that there wasn't even suspicion that he used any substances. Given that he didn't flee the scene of the accident, as was falsely reported.

Would you reconsider adding him somewhere? If he was on our draft board before all this started, I would take him with our second pick. I suspect his mental motor would respond very well to the Seahawks environment. I don't see bad judgement issues. I do see motivation issues. These are fixable. I'm not a good enough talent evaluator to say if he should be on our board absent these concerns.

Someone asked about the weight issue. A guy of this size going up and down 9 pounds is a non-issue. I've had a 100 pound, junior high boy go up 3 pounds just because they forgot to take their morning shit before weigh-ins. (Usually it's close to 1 pound, but the kid had been nervous and not pooped for a couple of days). Water weight alone from travelling can explain it. He didn't put on 9 pounds of fat or muscle in 2 weeks.

 

[Bear-Hawk]

I said cold heartless business, and I meant it.

I wish the man well, but that doesn't mean I want to risk our once every 20 year #5 pick on him. Apparently you do?

If he drops down into the mid teens? Then my interest for trading up to grab Carter at 16 or 17 is re-engaged. But at 5? I'm out.

I know that the Bears have been making a lot of phone calls and other contacts to collect information about the situation. Poles is going to do a thorough investigation before making a decision on him. Yes, it will be guided by what is best for the Bears. The safe thing is just draft Paris Johnson. Nobody would ever second-guess that decision, but I know Eberflus will be crying if he goes through both free agency and the draft without a 3-tech.

 

[Natethegreat]

If its true that he didn't flee the scene then that does change my perception of his character some. Still don't want him picked by us though. He clearly lacks motivation and desire to play football or be great at it. Nor do I think he has to. But if your investing that sort of pick on a player it can't be on someone who shows so little desire for the game he plays. Or at least to be the best he can be at it.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Given that he wasn't drunk, as has been rumored. Given that there wasn't even suspicion that he used any substances. Given that he didn't flee the scene of the accident, as was falsely reported.

Would you reconsider adding him somewhere? If he was on our draft board before all this started, I would take him with our second pick. I suspect his mental motor would respond very well to the Seahawks environment. I don't see bad judgement issues. I do see motivation issues. These are fixable. I'm not a good enough talent evaluator to say if he should be on our board absent these concerns.

Someone asked about the weight issue. A guy of this size going up and down 9 pounds is a non-issue. I've had a 100 pound, junior high boy go up 3 pounds just because they forgot to take their morning shit before weigh-ins. (Usually it's close to 1 pound, but the kid had been nervous and not pooped for a couple of days). Water weight alone from travelling can explain it. He didn't put on 9 pounds of fat or muscle in 2 weeks.

I think the consensus now, yes more comfortable with the #20 pick.

But Carter's not going to last until 20, even with how bad his pre-draft life and workouts are going. Someone's going to take the risk on him after 10, but before 20.

With how much Schneider and Pete have talked about character as an important intangible these last couple of drafts? I just don't see it happening with Carter. At all now.

 

[JPatera76]

I think y’all need to cut the crap with the whole “accident” and how it affects him. His issues were WELL before the accident. Period.

So please give a more valid response to his lack of motivation, lack of work ethic, out of shape and bombing pro day, not doing the combine, taking plays off mid game, conditioning issues. None of which have anything to do with the accident. And most of which were issues well before.

 

[AROS]

12 months probation.

Former UGA football star Jalen Carter sentenced to probation in crash that killed teammate and team staffer, his attorney says | CNN

Former University of Georgia football standout Jalen Carter was sentenced to probation on Thursday for his role in the crash that killed his teammate and a team staffer, his attorney told CNN.

www.cnn.com

 

[RiverDog]

Seeing that now, that he quit even the position drills because he was cramping up and winded. The extra weight didn't bother me (see Red Bryant), but the lack of cardio is a big problem. Our top picks for the LAST DECADE all seemed to get injured in camp because they come in out of shape.

I'm officially off the J.Carter bandwagon. Maybe at 20 because of the huge upside, but he looks guaranteed for a red shirt year no matter where he goes.

I agree with most of this. The weight gain might be explained by some innocent occurrence, but when you couple it with multiple observations of his poor conditioning, it fits a pattern of a lack of preparation making it difficult for one to ignore or justify.