Why are the Hawks struggling?

[pittpnthrs]

Why are they struggling? Hmmmm, lets see-

The Oline is weak as usual
The defense is average at best
Injuries
Lack of a running game
Dont use the TEs nearly enough
Russ needs to be better
Myers has been missing more than usual
Coaching has been horrendous as usual

Am I missing anything?

Only lack of discipline which includes stupid penalties like throwing shoes etc

Other than that you got it all.

Your right. Thank you.

 

[LTH]

The Hawks struggling because everything is not working together. The run game complements the passing game, the D complements the O... and visa versa.

In Carrolls style of O, the run game needs to dominate the other team during certain stretches' of the game. Its not that the scheme is bad.... the scheme is fine, the problem is the Hawks don't have a back that can handle the pounding that it takes to complement the passing game...

After Lynch left, that hole was filled with Carson and he just can't stay healthy...he is a good back and he does his job when he is playing but he just can't stay healthy...This is evident in the past several years..

look at last year, the Hawks O was doing fine until Carson got hurt. Then they started to slide and Russ was NOT as effective because he didn't have the run game... when Carson came back and Pete went back to the run game things got better and they started winning again.

When the run game isn't happening or isn't dominate for the stretches that it needs to be we see other teams drop two safety's deep and thats when Russ struggles...throwing into double coverage when he should just take the check down over the middle or what ever the D is giving him... Its a patience thing...it's definitely a coaching thing...

The problem this year is they can't seem to get all the components of the team working at the same time. The first part of the season the D had issues it took several games to work that out but the O wasn't working either as Carson got hurt early on ... then Russ got hurt. so nothing was really working.. it took Geno a couple of games to get his feet underneath him... it was clear Geno was getting better every game and the O started to play better...

Now the D is starting to play well and the O is starting to work things out and gain some continuity when Russ comes back. Now things change again because Russ wants to play his game, only the run game isn't quite there...they need to dominate in the run game at times during the game to get those safety's to come up to support the run...either that or Russ has to be patient and take what the D gives him until the D adjusts and for some reason he was unwilling to do that in this last game...

So they are close to being good they just need to get every thing working at the same time... The D is there and special teams is there, it's now time to get the O to perform.. the season depends on if Russ is going to make that adjustment... or how long is it going to take for Russ to make that adjustment because they are running out of time... they need to get Carson back and establish the run game that works together with the passing game that's the way it works in Carrols philosophy...

So its not about the Scheme and its not Carroll screwing things up its about Player execution in all phases of the game working at the same time and working together to complement each other....


LTH

The sun will come out earlier, the birds will sing louder, but only if we fire ole Pete and just let Russ Cook. After Russ cooked the second course, Jody better get it and sell the team to Russ as main course.

There actually maybe some truth to Russell buying the team if he had the money...would not surprise me if he was part owner some day...

 

[hoxrox]

Not having a strong run game to support the pass game is a part of it. But this is clearly not the smash mouth, balanced offense Carroll would like to see. 40 passes to 11 runs?

Meddling? No. This is the Russell-Waldron show.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/carroll-keep ... 51128.html

Sunday, the Packers’ plan was to dare the Seahawks, without Carson, to run. Green Bay went “light in the box,” meaning with fewer than the standard front-seven defenders near the line of scrimmage, on 97% of Seattle’s 59 offensive plays according to NFL Next Gen Stats. That was the second-most in an NFL game this season.

The Packers weren’t just in two-deep coverage. Green Bay was five- and sometimes seven-deep in zone coverages to take away, Metcalf and Lockett. The average deepest Packers defender was 16.1 yards off the ball at the snap.

Green Bay blitzed Wilson only 19% of the time. Yet the Packers still hit Wilson 13 times and sacked him three times mostly rushing only their front four linemen. Four Packers beat five Seahawks offensive linemen, regularly.

Despite seven and more defenders being way off the ball, Seattle’s backs carried the ball on just 11 called runs in 59 total plays. Alex Collins, Carson’s fill-in starter, averaged more than 4 yards per carry, but ran just 10 times in a game with the score 3-0 up to 10:37 left in the fourth quarter. Wilson dropped back to pass 48 times.

Wilson completed just 20 of 40 throws for 160 yards and two ghastly interceptions into the end zone in the second half. He completed only 15 of 32 passes when the Packers did not blitz. Both his interceptions were into seven-man coverages.

“I didn’t like that we didn’t get to run the ball more,” Carroll said Monday. “In a close game like that, I would have expected that we would have run the ball more than we did.

“The running backs carried the ball 11 times, that’s not enough. It’s not enough to get into a rhythm and it’s not enough to get a feel for the game.”

 

[JustTheTip]

The Hawks struggling because everything is not working together. The run game complements the passing game, the D complements the O... and visa versa.

In Carrolls style of O, the run game needs to dominate the other team during certain stretches' of the game. Its not that the scheme is bad.... the scheme is fine, the problem is the Hawks don't have a back that can handle the pounding that it takes to complement the passing game...

After Lynch left, that hole was filled with Carson and he just can't stay healthy...he is a good back and he does his job when he is playing but he just can't stay healthy...This is evident in the past several years..

look at last year, the Hawks O was doing fine until Carson got hurt. Then they started to slide and Russ was NOT as effective because he didn't have the run game... when Carson came back and Pete went back to the run game things got better and they started winning again.

When the run game isn't happening or isn't dominate for the stretches that it needs to be we see other teams drop two safety's deep and thats when Russ struggles...throwing into double coverage when he should just take the check down over the middle or what ever the D is giving him... Its a patience thing...it's definitely a coaching thing...

The problem this year is they can't seem to get all the components of the team working at the same time. The first part of the season the D had issues it took several games to work that out but the O wasn't working either as Carson got hurt early on ... then Russ got hurt. so nothing was really working.. it took Geno a couple of games to get his feet underneath him... it was clear Geno was getting better every game and the O started to play better...

Now the D is starting to play well and the O is starting to work things out and gain some continuity when Russ comes back. Now things change again because Russ wants to play his game, only the run game isn't quite there...they need to dominate in the run game at times during the game to get those safety's to come up to support the run...either that or Russ has to be patient and take what the D gives him until the D adjusts and for some reason he was unwilling to do that in this last game...

So they are close to being good they just need to get every thing working at the same time... The D is there and special teams is there, it's now time to get the O to perform.. the season depends on if Russ is going to make that adjustment... or how long is it going to take for Russ to make that adjustment because they are running out of time... they need to get Carson back and establish the run game that works together with the passing game that's the way it works in Carrols philosophy...

So its not about the Scheme and its not Carroll screwing things up its about Player execution in all phases of the game working at the same time and working together to complement each other....


LTH

The sun will come out earlier, the birds will sing louder, but only if we fire ole Pete and just let Russ Cook. After Russ cooked the second course, Jody better get it and sell the team to Russ as main course.

Nobody is saying that. What some of us have been saying for years is you can only bash your head against a brick wall for so long before it is time to try a new tool. Maybe you end up worse off with a sponge or maybe you end up with a sledge hammer. Either way, at least you aren't causing yourself brain damage anymore.

 

[toffee]

The Hawks struggling because everything is not working together. The run game complements the passing game, the D complements the O... and visa versa.

In Carrolls style of O, the run game needs to dominate the other team during certain stretches' of the game. Its not that the scheme is bad.... the scheme is fine, the problem is the Hawks don't have a back that can handle the pounding that it takes to complement the passing game...

After Lynch left, that hole was filled with Carson and he just can't stay healthy...he is a good back and he does his job when he is playing but he just can't stay healthy...This is evident in the past several years..

look at last year, the Hawks O was doing fine until Carson got hurt. Then they started to slide and Russ was NOT as effective because he didn't have the run game... when Carson came back and Pete went back to the run game things got better and they started winning again.

When the run game isn't happening or isn't dominate for the stretches that it needs to be we see other teams drop two safety's deep and thats when Russ struggles...throwing into double coverage when he should just take the check down over the middle or what ever the D is giving him... Its a patience thing...it's definitely a coaching thing...

The problem this year is they can't seem to get all the components of the team working at the same time. The first part of the season the D had issues it took several games to work that out but the O wasn't working either as Carson got hurt early on ... then Russ got hurt. so nothing was really working.. it took Geno a couple of games to get his feet underneath him... it was clear Geno was getting better every game and the O started to play better...

Now the D is starting to play well and the O is starting to work things out and gain some continuity when Russ comes back. Now things change again because Russ wants to play his game, only the run game isn't quite there...they need to dominate in the run game at times during the game to get those safety's to come up to support the run...either that or Russ has to be patient and take what the D gives him until the D adjusts and for some reason he was unwilling to do that in this last game...

So they are close to being good they just need to get every thing working at the same time... The D is there and special teams is there, it's now time to get the O to perform.. the season depends on if Russ is going to make that adjustment... or how long is it going to take for Russ to make that adjustment because they are running out of time... they need to get Carson back and establish the run game that works together with the passing game that's the way it works in Carrols philosophy...

So its not about the Scheme and its not Carroll screwing things up its about Player execution in all phases of the game working at the same time and working together to complement each other....


LTH

The sun will come out earlier, the birds will sing louder, but only if we fire ole Pete and just let Russ Cook. After Russ cooked the second course, Jody better get it and sell the team to Russ as main course.

Nobody is saying that. What some of us have been saying for years is you can only bash your head against a brick wall for so long before it is time to try a new tool. Maybe you end up worse off with a sponge or maybe you end up with a sledge hammer. Either way, at least you aren't causing yourself brain damage anymore.

To all 12s, chant fire Pete at games and write to Jody urge her to sell team to Russ.

Duty!

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[JustTheTip]

The Hawks struggling because everything is not working together. The run game complements the passing game, the D complements the O... and visa versa.

In Carrolls style of O, the run game needs to dominate the other team during certain stretches' of the game. Its not that the scheme is bad.... the scheme is fine, the problem is the Hawks don't have a back that can handle the pounding that it takes to complement the passing game...

After Lynch left, that hole was filled with Carson and he just can't stay healthy...he is a good back and he does his job when he is playing but he just can't stay healthy...This is evident in the past several years..

look at last year, the Hawks O was doing fine until Carson got hurt. Then they started to slide and Russ was NOT as effective because he didn't have the run game... when Carson came back and Pete went back to the run game things got better and they started winning again.

When the run game isn't happening or isn't dominate for the stretches that it needs to be we see other teams drop two safety's deep and thats when Russ struggles...throwing into double coverage when he should just take the check down over the middle or what ever the D is giving him... Its a patience thing...it's definitely a coaching thing...

The problem this year is they can't seem to get all the components of the team working at the same time. The first part of the season the D had issues it took several games to work that out but the O wasn't working either as Carson got hurt early on ... then Russ got hurt. so nothing was really working.. it took Geno a couple of games to get his feet underneath him... it was clear Geno was getting better every game and the O started to play better...

Now the D is starting to play well and the O is starting to work things out and gain some continuity when Russ comes back. Now things change again because Russ wants to play his game, only the run game isn't quite there...they need to dominate in the run game at times during the game to get those safety's to come up to support the run...either that or Russ has to be patient and take what the D gives him until the D adjusts and for some reason he was unwilling to do that in this last game...

So they are close to being good they just need to get every thing working at the same time... The D is there and special teams is there, it's now time to get the O to perform.. the season depends on if Russ is going to make that adjustment... or how long is it going to take for Russ to make that adjustment because they are running out of time... they need to get Carson back and establish the run game that works together with the passing game that's the way it works in Carrols philosophy...

So its not about the Scheme and its not Carroll screwing things up its about Player execution in all phases of the game working at the same time and working together to complement each other....


LTH

The sun will come out earlier, the birds will sing louder, but only if we fire ole Pete and just let Russ Cook. After Russ cooked the second course, Jody better get it and sell the team to Russ as main course.

Nobody is saying that. What some of us have been saying for years is you can only bash your head against a brick wall for so long before it is time to try a new tool. Maybe you end up worse off with a sponge or maybe you end up with a sledge hammer. Either way, at least you aren't causing yourself brain damage anymore.

To all 12s, chant fire Pete at games and write to Jody urge her to sell team to Russ.

Duty!

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Laughable post.

 

[pittpnthrs]

expect more of the same responses from the predestined scripts written and signed long before the season started

You mean the ones that have been accumulating for the past 5 years that some still choose to ignore?

 

[LTH]

Not having a strong run game to support the pass game is a part of it. But this is clearly not the smash mouth, balanced offense Carroll would like to see. 40 passes to 11 runs?

Meddling? No. This is the Russell-Waldron show.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/carroll-keep ... 51128.html

Sunday, the Packers’ plan was to dare the Seahawks, without Carson, to run. Green Bay went “light in the box,” meaning with fewer than the standard front-seven defenders near the line of scrimmage, on 97% of Seattle’s 59 offensive plays according to NFL Next Gen Stats. That was the second-most in an NFL game this season.

The Packers weren’t just in two-deep coverage. Green Bay was five- and sometimes seven-deep in zone coverages to take away, Metcalf and Lockett. The average deepest Packers defender was 16.1 yards off the ball at the snap.

Green Bay blitzed Wilson only 19% of the time. Yet the Packers still hit Wilson 13 times and sacked him three times mostly rushing only their front four linemen. Four Packers beat five Seahawks offensive linemen, regularly.

Despite seven and more defenders being way off the ball, Seattle’s backs carried the ball on just 11 called runs in 59 total plays. Alex Collins, Carson’s fill-in starter, averaged more than 4 yards per carry, but ran just 10 times in a game with the score 3-0 up to 10:37 left in the fourth quarter. Wilson dropped back to pass 48 times.

Wilson completed just 20 of 40 throws for 160 yards and two ghastly interceptions into the end zone in the second half. He completed only 15 of 32 passes when the Packers did not blitz. Both his interceptions were into seven-man coverages.

“I didn’t like that we didn’t get to run the ball more,” Carroll said Monday. “In a close game like that, I would have expected that we would have run the ball more than we did.

“The running backs carried the ball 11 times, that’s not enough. It’s not enough to get into a rhythm and it’s not enough to get a feel for the game.”

No its not what Carroll wants to see...I'm very surprised that Carroll is allowing this to happen. in his PC you can see it all over his face that he is frustrated beyond belief... I think he see's that they are so close to being really good, but he has to satisfy Wilson. Its clearly not working... it looks to me like Carroll has made concessions to keep Wilson happy... i'm wondering how long that's going to last...

it can't keep going like it is... I don't think it's reasonable for a QB to dictate what the O philosophy is... it doesn't work that way... If Wilson wants something different than he should play out the rest of his contract doing it Pete's way and move on to a different team or request a trade...It is Pete's team its not like Holmgren would change his philosophy for Hasselbeck or Favre...

at this point the team is close to rolling the only thing they are waiting for is Wilson to swallow his ego and do what it takes to win... If he chooses not to the Hawks will not be able to work out of this adversity... and thats the bottom line.



LTH

 

[toffee]

Not having a strong run game to support the pass game is a part of it. But this is clearly not the smash mouth, balanced offense Carroll would like to see. 40 passes to 11 runs?

Meddling? No. This is the Russell-Waldron show.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/carroll-keep ... 51128.html

Sunday, the Packers’ plan was to dare the Seahawks, without Carson, to run. Green Bay went “light in the box,” meaning with fewer than the standard front-seven defenders near the line of scrimmage, on 97% of Seattle’s 59 offensive plays according to NFL Next Gen Stats. That was the second-most in an NFL game this season.

The Packers weren’t just in two-deep coverage. Green Bay was five- and sometimes seven-deep in zone coverages to take away, Metcalf and Lockett. The average deepest Packers defender was 16.1 yards off the ball at the snap.

Green Bay blitzed Wilson only 19% of the time. Yet the Packers still hit Wilson 13 times and sacked him three times mostly rushing only their front four linemen. Four Packers beat five Seahawks offensive linemen, regularly.

Despite seven and more defenders being way off the ball, Seattle’s backs carried the ball on just 11 called runs in 59 total plays. Alex Collins, Carson’s fill-in starter, averaged more than 4 yards per carry, but ran just 10 times in a game with the score 3-0 up to 10:37 left in the fourth quarter. Wilson dropped back to pass 48 times.

Wilson completed just 20 of 40 throws for 160 yards and two ghastly interceptions into the end zone in the second half. He completed only 15 of 32 passes when the Packers did not blitz. Both his interceptions were into seven-man coverages.

“I didn’t like that we didn’t get to run the ball more,” Carroll said Monday. “In a close game like that, I would have expected that we would have run the ball more than we did.

“The running backs carried the ball 11 times, that’s not enough. It’s not enough to get into a rhythm and it’s not enough to get a feel for the game.”

No its not what Carroll wants to see...I'm very surprised that Carroll is allowing this to happen. in his PC you can see it all over his face that he is frustrated beyond belief... I think he see's that they are so close to being really good, but he has to satisfy Wilson. Its clearly not working... it looks to me like Carroll has made concessions to keep Wilson happy... i'm wondering how long that's going to last...

it can't keep going like it is... I don't think it's reasonable for a QB to dictate what the O philosophy is... it doesn't work that way... If Wilson wants something different than he should play out the rest of his contract doing it Pete's way and move on to a different team or request a trade...It is Pete's team its not like Holmgren would change his philosophy for Hasselbeck or Favre...

at this point the team is close to rolling the only thing they are waiting for is Wilson to swallow his ego and do what it takes to win... If he chooses not to the Hawks will not be able to work out of this adversity... and thats the bottom line.



LTH

You and I differ on one point, this hasn't been Pete's team for a long time. This is Russell Wilson's team, Pete almost got it back last off season but didn't have the balls to pull the trigger.

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[toffee]

The sun will come out earlier, the birds will sing louder, but only if we fire ole Pete and just let Russ Cook. After Russ cooked the second course, Jody better get it and sell the team to Russ as main course.

Nobody is saying that. What some of us have been saying for years is you can only bash your head against a brick wall for so long before it is time to try a new tool. Maybe you end up worse off with a sponge or maybe you end up with a sledge hammer. Either way, at least you aren't causing yourself brain damage anymore.

To all 12s, chant fire Pete at games and write to Jody urge her to sell team to Russ.

Duty!

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Laughable post.

Please do not disrespect Mr. unlimited, you do know that Russ named his alter ego Mr. Unlimted, don't you? You have heard Russ openly said that he likes to own a NFL Franchise, haven't you?

As a Russ Homer, it's one's duty to help Russ realize his quest.

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[LTH]

Not having a strong run game to support the pass game is a part of it. But this is clearly not the smash mouth, balanced offense Carroll would like to see. 40 passes to 11 runs?

Meddling? No. This is the Russell-Waldron show.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/carroll-keep ... 51128.html

Sunday, the Packers’ plan was to dare the Seahawks, without Carson, to run. Green Bay went “light in the box,” meaning with fewer than the standard front-seven defenders near the line of scrimmage, on 97% of Seattle’s 59 offensive plays according to NFL Next Gen Stats. That was the second-most in an NFL game this season.

The Packers weren’t just in two-deep coverage. Green Bay was five- and sometimes seven-deep in zone coverages to take away, Metcalf and Lockett. The average deepest Packers defender was 16.1 yards off the ball at the snap.

Green Bay blitzed Wilson only 19% of the time. Yet the Packers still hit Wilson 13 times and sacked him three times mostly rushing only their front four linemen. Four Packers beat five Seahawks offensive linemen, regularly.

Despite seven and more defenders being way off the ball, Seattle’s backs carried the ball on just 11 called runs in 59 total plays. Alex Collins, Carson’s fill-in starter, averaged more than 4 yards per carry, but ran just 10 times in a game with the score 3-0 up to 10:37 left in the fourth quarter. Wilson dropped back to pass 48 times.

Wilson completed just 20 of 40 throws for 160 yards and two ghastly interceptions into the end zone in the second half. He completed only 15 of 32 passes when the Packers did not blitz. Both his interceptions were into seven-man coverages.

“I didn’t like that we didn’t get to run the ball more,” Carroll said Monday. “In a close game like that, I would have expected that we would have run the ball more than we did.

“The running backs carried the ball 11 times, that’s not enough. It’s not enough to get into a rhythm and it’s not enough to get a feel for the game.”

No its not what Carroll wants to see...I'm very surprised that Carroll is allowing this to happen. in his PC you can see it all over his face that he is frustrated beyond belief... I think he see's that they are so close to being really good, but he has to satisfy Wilson. Its clearly not working... it looks to me like Carroll has made concessions to keep Wilson happy... i'm wondering how long that's going to last...

it can't keep going like it is... I don't think it's reasonable for a QB to dictate what the O philosophy is... it doesn't work that way... If Wilson wants something different than he should play out the rest of his contract doing it Pete's way and move on to a different team or request a trade...It is Pete's team its not like Holmgren would change his philosophy for Hasselbeck or Favre...

at this point the team is close to rolling the only thing they are waiting for is Wilson to swallow his ego and do what it takes to win... If he chooses not to the Hawks will not be able to work out of this adversity... and thats the bottom line.



LTH

You and I differ on one point, this hasn't been Pete's team for a long time. This is Russell Wilson's team, Pete almost got it back last off season but didn't have the balls to pull the trigger.

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It feels like Its Wilsons team doesn't it? but i think you will see this week that it's Carroll's team...I would be stunned to the max if Carroll doesn't take control this week...It's crunch time... I got 100 bucks for the Hawks to win it al +10400


LTH

 

[OrangeGravy]

Not having a strong run game to support the pass game is a part of it. But this is clearly not the smash mouth, balanced offense Carroll would like to see. 40 passes to 11 runs?

Meddling? No. This is the Russell-Waldron show.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/carroll-keep ... 51128.html

Sunday, the Packers’ plan was to dare the Seahawks, without Carson, to run. Green Bay went “light in the box,” meaning with fewer than the standard front-seven defenders near the line of scrimmage, on 97% of Seattle’s 59 offensive plays according to NFL Next Gen Stats. That was the second-most in an NFL game this season.

The Packers weren’t just in two-deep coverage. Green Bay was five- and sometimes seven-deep in zone coverages to take away, Metcalf and Lockett. The average deepest Packers defender was 16.1 yards off the ball at the snap.

Green Bay blitzed Wilson only 19% of the time. Yet the Packers still hit Wilson 13 times and sacked him three times mostly rushing only their front four linemen. Four Packers beat five Seahawks offensive linemen, regularly.

Despite seven and more defenders being way off the ball, Seattle’s backs carried the ball on just 11 called runs in 59 total plays. Alex Collins, Carson’s fill-in starter, averaged more than 4 yards per carry, but ran just 10 times in a game with the score 3-0 up to 10:37 left in the fourth quarter. Wilson dropped back to pass 48 times.

Wilson completed just 20 of 40 throws for 160 yards and two ghastly interceptions into the end zone in the second half. He completed only 15 of 32 passes when the Packers did not blitz. Both his interceptions were into seven-man coverages.

“I didn’t like that we didn’t get to run the ball more,” Carroll said Monday. “In a close game like that, I would have expected that we would have run the ball more than we did.

“The running backs carried the ball 11 times, that’s not enough. It’s not enough to get into a rhythm and it’s not enough to get a feel for the game.”

No its not what Carroll wants to see...I'm very surprised that Carroll is allowing this to happen. in his PC you can see it all over his face that he is frustrated beyond belief... I think he see's that they are so close to being really good, but he has to satisfy Wilson. Its clearly not working... it looks to me like Carroll has made concessions to keep Wilson happy... i'm wondering how long that's going to last...

it can't keep going like it is... I don't think it's reasonable for a QB to dictate what the O philosophy is... it doesn't work that way... If Wilson wants something different than he should play out the rest of his contract doing it Pete's way and move on to a different team or request a trade...It is Pete's team its not like Holmgren would change his philosophy for Hasselbeck or Favre...

at this point the team is close to rolling the only thing they are waiting for is Wilson to swallow his ego and do what it takes to win... If he chooses not to the Hawks will not be able to work out of this adversity... and thats the bottom line.



LTH

You and I differ on one point, this hasn't been Pete's team for a long time. This is Russell Wilson's team, Pete almost got it back last off season but didn't have the balls to pull the trigger.
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I think JS was and has been ready to pull that trigger. Hopefully Pete will after this season and I expect russ and his pr machine to make that a much easier decision. They've tried to fire it up already a couple times with that embarrassing pre-game display on Sunday night I believe and everything that comes out of Cowherds mouth regarding Seattle

 

[Seahawk_Dan]

The problem isn't a singular thing in just a season, or even a handful of things in one season. It's years upon years of outright neglect by Pete, Schneider, and the front office. It's years of expensive one year rentals that soak up cap or cost draft value, not making coaching changes until it's too late (and even then still keeping the coach), it's forcing a gameplan or style that isn't working and refusing to alter it and so much more.

 

[LTH]

The problem isn't a singular thing in just a season, or even a handful of things in one season. It's years upon years of outright neglect by Pete, Schneider, and the front office. It's years of expensive one year rentals that soak up cap or cost draft value, not making coaching changes until it's too late (and even then still keeping the coach), it's forcing a gameplan or style that isn't working and refusing to alter it and so much more.

I hear your post over and over again. I fail to understand how this team is supposed to compete drafting at the bottom of the pile for ten years of better with out taking chances of FA and taking chances on guys like taylor and DK... when it works out they look brilliant when it doesn't not so much.


Right now the team has plenty enough weapons to be a great football team... So why aren't they you might ask? In this case the record of this football team is not representative of the potential. the process that is happening is way late in blooming but it will come together...

LTH

 

[John63]

The problem isn't a singular thing in just a season, or even a handful of things in one season. It's years upon years of outright neglect by Pete, Schneider, and the front office. It's years of expensive one year rentals that soak up cap or cost draft value, not making coaching changes until it's too late (and even then still keeping the coach), it's forcing a gameplan or style that isn't working and refusing to alter it and so much more.

This^^^

 

[Jville]

The problem isn't a singular thing in just a season, or even a handful of things in one season. It's years upon years of outright neglect by Pete, Schneider, and the front office. It's years of expensive one year rentals that soak up cap or cost draft value, not making coaching changes until it's too late (and even then still keeping the coach), it's forcing a gameplan or style that isn't working and refusing to alter it and so much more.

Who's neglect?

John Schneider is famous for his aggressive roster churn.

Pete loves to look for special attributes in candidates and ways to fit them into the roster.

I've seen lots of changes over the years including a make over of special teams and defense.

 

[HawkOG70’]

Wilson forcing shit into coverage isn't something new he simply doesn't read coverages well

 

[SoulfishHawk]

And there you have it. ALL things are Russ' fault. He literally not only is one of the most accurate QB's in the history of the NFL, he has a damn good TD to Int ratio. 277 Touchdowns and only 84 interceptions. 10 TD/3 Int this season. He has won 100 games already. Playoffs 8 of the last 9 years. 2 Super Bowl's, one play from back to back titles.
He has won more games than ANY QB over those first 9 years. He has saved Pete's ass for years. But as always, ignore facts because people like the guy. If I was him, I would ask for a trade in the off-season.
Let me guess, it was his fault they lost 3 games when he didn't play as well?? Look, he played like crap on Sunday. But the constant blasting of this guy is getting pretty old.
He flat out said that game was on him in the post game presser. We get it already, Russ sucks, he's old, he's washed up blah blah blah :yawn:

 

[toffee]

Not having a strong run game to support the pass game is a part of it. But this is clearly not the smash mouth, balanced offense Carroll would like to see. 40 passes to 11 runs?

Meddling? No. This is the Russell-Waldron show.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/carroll-keep ... 51128.html

No its not what Carroll wants to see...I'm very surprised that Carroll is allowing this to happen. in his PC you can see it all over his face that he is frustrated beyond belief... I think he see's that they are so close to being really good, but he has to satisfy Wilson. Its clearly not working... it looks to me like Carroll has made concessions to keep Wilson happy... i'm wondering how long that's going to last...

it can't keep going like it is... I don't think it's reasonable for a QB to dictate what the O philosophy is... it doesn't work that way... If Wilson wants something different than he should play out the rest of his contract doing it Pete's way and move on to a different team or request a trade...It is Pete's team its not like Holmgren would change his philosophy for Hasselbeck or Favre...

at this point the team is close to rolling the only thing they are waiting for is Wilson to swallow his ego and do what it takes to win... If he chooses not to the Hawks will not be able to work out of this adversity... and thats the bottom line.



LTH

You and I differ on one point, this hasn't been Pete's team for a long time. This is Russell Wilson's team, Pete almost got it back last off season but didn't have the balls to pull the trigger.
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I think JS was and has been ready to pull that trigger. Hopefully Pete will after this season and I expect russ and his pr machine to make that a much easier decision. They've tried to fire it up already a couple times with that embarrassing pre-game display on Sunday night I believe and everything that comes out of Cowherds mouth regarding Seattle

Last off season was hell, Russ fired the first bullet, which Pete and John responded with looking to trade him. A surprised Russ fired the second shot by announcing that he had no confidence in Hawks' coaching, that message was for Jody. To Russ's surprise, Jody stood by Pete. Remember Pete was super quiet and totally invisible when Russ and his machine were firing shots? One speculates that ole Pete was working on Jody, Pete knew that Russ was all smoke with no bite, unless Russ was willing to sit out a season nothing he could do but report to work. Jody on the other hand, could fire Pete.

The Jets and Raiders were good trade prospects last year, Jets got lots of picks, Raider got a serviceable QB in trade. When the news was out on the Jets, Russ named four teams, eliminating Jets. Then Gruden chickened out. I like to think Carr is better than Geno, we may even be better then 3 wins now with Carr under center.

As a Wilson homer, I like to think he would be happier in Vegas, team has more talent after years of drafting with high picks, Gruden was an offense guru, and Ciara can have her own Vegas shows.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Well, he's not appreciated here in Seattle, and there are plenty of teams who would LOVE to have him under center. I hope he stays, but at this point he would be very justified in wanting a trade. And to be honest, after a decade of hearing everyone whine and moan about him, that would FINALLY calm that crap down. It's just plain strange how many people just hate this guy and flat out refuse to embrace him, even a little bit. Let alone ever give him credit for anything on the field. It's as if people get mad when he has success. Literally. People actually believe this would be a winning team w/out Russ, and Pete at head coach with just any QB. Wrong.