Jamal Adams gets 4 years, $70 million

[massari]

I'm glad it's done i just hope Adams can stay healthy .If it turns out the man can cover then he will be worth the money he got but we haven't seen that yet in Seattle.

His coverage is going to be fine. He had no problem in his last two seasons with the Jets, so it's likely how they used him and/or his injury that resulted in the decline.

PFF coverage grades:

2017 65.5
2018 89.6
2019 87.5
2020 52.5

Also since 2017, he's in the 97th percentile among Safeties in run-defense grade.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Imagine that, xray bringing his ray of sunshine to positive Hawks news.
It needed to be done, it got done, and as usual, it wasn't nearly as bad as the media and fans made it out to be. This is nothing new in sports. Player/Agent/Team, round and round they go. Hawks didn't budge, and this is a good deal for both sides. Suck it up and get ready for the season.

 

[A-Dog]

Per OTC -

Adams cap number in 2021 comes down to $5M with the new deal, opening up ~4.9M in extra cap space for this season. His cap number goes up to $9.1M in 2022, significantly less than the franchise tag would have been.

https://overthecap.com/player/jamal-adams/5590/

 

[pittpnthrs]

Browns not signed and giving 1 million dollars a game to a SS. Wow.

 

[Sea84hawks]

Browns not signed and giving 1 million dollars a game to a SS. Wow.

Imagine what a LB or DL that gets 9+ sacks would demand?! That's what JA got you last year. Let alone blowing up plays, tackles for loss, would have had like 3-4 Ints if not for broken fingers. Ohh and he did all that with a broken shoulder, finger and bad hamstring and missed a couple of games too.

If he had played healthy all games, he would have been in the MVP conversation! Definitely deserves 1 mill/game!

 

[Smellyman]

Best part about Adams is other teams have to gameplan for him. Whenever teams have to gameplan for an individual D player it gets their O (generally) away from what they want tod do.

 

[ivotuk]

Browns not signed and giving 1 million dollars a game to a SS. Wow.

Imagine what a LB or DL that gets 9+ sacks would demand?! That's what JA got you last year. Let alone blowing up plays, tackles for loss, would have had like 3-4 Ints if not for broken fingers. Ohh and he did all that with a broken shoulder, finger and bad hamstring and missed a couple of games too.

If he had played healthy all games, he would have been in the MVP conversation! Definitely deserves 1 mill/game!

Torn tendons in 2 fingers
Torn labrum
Groin injury

And still player lights out.

He said he's emulating Russell Wilson this year but spending more time and money taking care of his body. Paying trainers, massage therapists, nutritionists, he bought a "Chamber" for his house. I believe he was talking about an oxygen chamber.

RW spends close to million a year on trainers, mental coaching, etc. Etc. RW hired someone that used to work with MJ and Kobe to help with his training. I believe it was Russell that got ahold of MJ and had him speak in a Zoom meeting.

So if Jamal is trying to be like Russell, then we got a good deal at 17.5 per year. And as the cap goes up next year, and the year after, it will look even better.

Look at how good Russell's 35 million per looks now....

 

[pittpnthrs]

Browns not signed and giving 1 million dollars a game to a SS. Wow.

Imagine what a LB or DL that gets 9+ sacks would demand?! That's what JA got you last year. Let alone blowing up plays, tackles for loss, would have had like 3-4 Ints if not for broken fingers. Ohh and he did all that with a broken shoulder, finger and bad hamstring and missed a couple of games too.

If he had played healthy all games, he would have been in the MVP conversation! Definitely deserves 1 mill/game!

Those sacks are great, but you cant give up coverage when your getting them. While Adams was busy rushing the QB, the secondary was giving up historical yardage. Even when Adams was back there trying to cover receivers, he was getting toasted by them. As nice as those 9+ sacks looks like on paper, the defense was still horrible until Dunlap was signed and they had a string of creampuffs in the second half. As great as everybody wants Adams to be, he's going to take up resources that will hurt the team for years to come. Brown is the guy they should have been concentrating on. Hes actually vital to the team.

 

[Sea84hawks]

Browns not signed and giving 1 million dollars a game to a SS. Wow.

Imagine what a LB or DL that gets 9+ sacks would demand?! That's what JA got you last year. Let alone blowing up plays, tackles for loss, would have had like 3-4 Ints if not for broken fingers. Ohh and he did all that with a broken shoulder, finger and bad hamstring and missed a couple of games too.

If he had played healthy all games, he would have been in the MVP conversation! Definitely deserves 1 mill/game!

Those sacks are great, but you cant give up coverage when your getting them. While Adams was busy rushing the QB, the secondary was giving up historical yardage. Even when Adams was back there trying to cover receivers, he was getting toasted by them. As nice as those 9+ sacks looks like on paper, the defense was still horrible until Dunlap was signed and they had a string of creampuffs in the second half. As great as everybody wants Adams to be, he's going to take up resources that will hurt the team for years to come. Brown is the guy they should have been concentrating on. Hes actually vital to the team.

Are we really going to blame the historically horrible pass defense on Jamal?? I put that blame on Norton, who has no idea what defense is! His defensive game planning is literally from Madden play book!. How is it Jamal's fault when Norton has the CBs playing 10 yards off on a 3rd and 1? And then we have Mr. Flowers playing RCB, who gives up catch after catch after catch. Yes Jamal gave up a few coverage completions, but come on! Who doesn't!

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Thanks for sharing A-Dog. Yet again, John puts together a solid deal that is good for team AND the player.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Browns not signed and giving 1 million dollars a game to a SS. Wow.

Imagine what a LB or DL that gets 9+ sacks would demand?! That's what JA got you last year. Let alone blowing up plays, tackles for loss, would have had like 3-4 Ints if not for broken fingers. Ohh and he did all that with a broken shoulder, finger and bad hamstring and missed a couple of games too.

If he had played healthy all games, he would have been in the MVP conversation! Definitely deserves 1 mill/game!

Those sacks are great, but you cant give up coverage when your getting them. While Adams was busy rushing the QB, the secondary was giving up historical yardage. Even when Adams was back there trying to cover receivers, he was getting toasted by them. As nice as those 9+ sacks looks like on paper, the defense was still horrible until Dunlap was signed and they had a string of creampuffs in the second half. As great as everybody wants Adams to be, he's going to take up resources that will hurt the team for years to come. Brown is the guy they should have been concentrating on. Hes actually vital to the team.

Are we really going to blame the historically horrible pass defense on Jamal?? I put that blame on Norton, who has no idea what defense is! His defensive game planning is literally from Madden play book!. How is it Jamal's fault when Norton has the CBs playing 10 yards off on a 3rd and 1? And then we have Mr. Flowers playing RCB, who gives up catch after catch after catch. Yes Jamal gave up a few coverage completions, but come on! Who doesn't!

Are you really going to exclude Adams for any blame? Even we he was in coverage he was bad. Receivers were roasting him. When he lined up and rushed the QB (that people want to gush over) that meant th secondary was depleted of another body on those plays so yeah, he has to own some of the blame too. I agree with you that Norton is horrible and Flowers and the rest of the secondary was less than optimal but Adams was at fault too. He just didn’t play as well as his new contract suggests. Some are blaming injuries so I guess we will see.

 

[Jville]

I see similarities between the first year of Jamal Adams with the first year of Michael Bennett.

They both brought special instincts to the defense in their first year. As familiarity builds, team mates will blend their game around the play making improv of Adams. Just as they previously did up front around Bennett. Adams and Bennett play different levels of the defense. But, they both bring similar problems for opposing offenses and coordinators.

Should be fun to watch as it comes together in September and October. :2thumbs:

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Those sacks are great, but you cant give up coverage when your getting them. While Adams was busy rushing the QB, the secondary was giving up historical yardage. Even when Adams was back there trying to cover receivers, he was getting toasted by them. As nice as those 9+ sacks looks like on paper, the defense was still horrible until Dunlap was signed and they had a string of creampuffs in the second half. As great as everybody wants Adams to be, he's going to take up resources that will hurt the team for years to come. Brown is the guy they should have been concentrating on. Hes actually vital to the team.

Thus the concerted effort to have a deeper rotation of pass rushers. Kept Dunlap and signed Hyder and Nkemdiche, and will get guys like Robinson and Taylor way more snaps.

Pete and John know they relied on Adams WAY too much after Mayowa got dinged up and Irvin was done for the year.

Adams will still be a box safety, like Kam was..........but the ideal situation is he won't have to blitz as much, just roam the box, disrupt and make plays.

 

[massari]

Per OTC -

Adams cap number in 2021 comes down to $5M with the new deal, opening up ~4.9M in extra cap space for this season. His cap number goes up to $9.1M in 2022, significantly less than the franchise tag would have been.

https://overthecap.com/player/jamal-adams/5590/

Pretty crazy to think in 2024 and 2025, Wilson, DK, and Adams will possibly take up around $100M of cap room.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Those sacks are great, but you cant give up coverage when your getting them. While Adams was busy rushing the QB, the secondary was giving up historical yardage. Even when Adams was back there trying to cover receivers, he was getting toasted by them. As nice as those 9+ sacks looks like on paper, the defense was still horrible until Dunlap was signed and they had a string of creampuffs in the second half. As great as everybody wants Adams to be, he's going to take up resources that will hurt the team for years to come. Brown is the guy they should have been concentrating on. Hes actually vital to the team.

Thus the concerted effort to have a deeper rotation of pass rushers. Kept Dunlap and signed Hyder and Nkemdiche, and will get guys like Robinson and Taylor way more snaps.

Pete and John know they relied on Adams WAY too much after Mayowa got dinged up and Irvin was done for the year.

Adams will still be a box safety, like Kam was..........but the ideal situation is he won't have to blitz as much, just roam the box, disrupt and make plays.

Good point and I can see that. People just seem to concentrate on the sacks but I’m more concerned with the secondary. I think Adams best attribute is his tackling and I would love to see him start laying some wood on some receivers. Hopefully he demonstrates better coverage abilities and not be blitzing so often.

 

[A-Dog]

Per OTC -

Adams cap number in 2021 comes down to $5M with the new deal, opening up ~4.9M in extra cap space for this season. His cap number goes up to $9.1M in 2022, significantly less than the franchise tag would have been.

https://overthecap.com/player/jamal-adams/5590/

Pretty crazy to think in 2024 and 2025, Wilson, DK, and Adams will possibly take up around $100M of cap room.

Well hypothetically in 2024 Russ will be in the first year of his new extension, and DK will be in the 2nd year of his, so the cap numbers could be relatively low.

Also, the salary cap will likely be up by ~$80M from where it is now and continue to grow by $15-20M a year.

BWags, Duane Brown, Gabe Jackson, and Carlos Dunlap will likely all be off the books by then.

Other than DK nobody else so far is looking like they'll be breaking the bank. Brooks, Poona, DJ Reed, or one of the young edge rushers could emerge as a star but more likely they'll be closer to $10M APY than $20M.

But yeah, the money is getting crazy, but in terms of the cap situation for Seattle, it's not too bad. It's okay to pay big for guys if a) They are truly among the very best at their position, and b) They are leaders with with high character who set the tone for the team in the right way.

 

[A-Dog]

Those sacks are great, but you cant give up coverage when your getting them. While Adams was busy rushing the QB, the secondary was giving up historical yardage. Even when Adams was back there trying to cover receivers, he was getting toasted by them. As nice as those 9+ sacks looks like on paper, the defense was still horrible until Dunlap was signed and they had a string of creampuffs in the second half. As great as everybody wants Adams to be, he's going to take up resources that will hurt the team for years to come. Brown is the guy they should have been concentrating on. Hes actually vital to the team.

Are we really going to blame the historically horrible pass defense on Jamal?? I put that blame on Norton, who has no idea what defense is! His defensive game planning is literally from Madden play book!. How is it Jamal's fault when Norton has the CBs playing 10 yards off on a 3rd and 1? And then we have Mr. Flowers playing RCB, who gives up catch after catch after catch. Yes Jamal gave up a few coverage completions, but come on! Who doesn't!

You guys are both wrong.

The non-existent pass rush was to blame for this historically bad defense early in the season. We didn't sign a top DE, Irvin went down, Mayowa went down.

Adams wasn't blitzing that much because that's what they wanted him to do, he was blitzing so much because that was the only option they had to get pressure. The coaches have said that won't be happening as much next year. The threat of Adams blitzing will always be there, but the effectiveness of his blitzing will be even better because they won't know it's coming. Coverage should be better as well.

Two things turned the defense around:

1) Signing Carlos Dunlap. All of a sudden we had a pass rush and could play a more sound defense.

2) Norton gave a big, well-publicized speech about accountability to the defense which had an immediate impact of focus and execution.

In the latter part of the year the defense was much better. ALSO, if you look at how the defense played with and without Adams, the stats show that across the board the defense played better with him in the lineup. Imagine how he'll play with a full year of immersion in the scheme, a healthy body, and a less predictable role. He is a legit DPOY candidate.

 

[massari]

Also, the salary cap will likely be up by ~$80M from where it is now and continue to grow by $15-20M a year.

That'd be nice, but where are you getting that 15-20 from? Normally it went up by around 10M a year.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Those sacks are great, but you cant give up coverage when your getting them. While Adams was busy rushing the QB, the secondary was giving up historical yardage. Even when Adams was back there trying to cover receivers, he was getting toasted by them. As nice as those 9+ sacks looks like on paper, the defense was still horrible until Dunlap was signed and they had a string of creampuffs in the second half. As great as everybody wants Adams to be, he's going to take up resources that will hurt the team for years to come. Brown is the guy they should have been concentrating on. Hes actually vital to the team.

Are we really going to blame the historically horrible pass defense on Jamal?? I put that blame on Norton, who has no idea what defense is! His defensive game planning is literally from Madden play book!. How is it Jamal's fault when Norton has the CBs playing 10 yards off on a 3rd and 1? And then we have Mr. Flowers playing RCB, who gives up catch after catch after catch. Yes Jamal gave up a few coverage completions, but come on! Who doesn't!

You guys are both wrong.

The non-existent pass rush was to blame for this historically bad defense early in the season. We didn't sign a top DE, Irvin went down, Mayowa went down.

Adams wasn't blitzing that much because that's what they wanted him to do, he was blitzing so much because that was the only option they had to get pressure. The coaches have said that won't be happening as much next year. The threat of Adams blitzing will always be there, but the effectiveness of his blitzing will be even better because they won't know it's coming. Coverage should be better as well.

Two things turned the defense around:

1) Signing Carlos Dunlap. All of a sudden we had a pass rush and could play a more sound defense.

2) Norton gave a big, well-publicized speech about accountability to the defense which had an immediate impact of focus and execution.

In the latter part of the year the defense was much better. ALSO, if you look at how the defense played with and without Adams, the stats show that across the board the defense played better with him in the lineup. Imagine how he'll play with a full year of immersion in the scheme, a healthy body, and a less predictable role. He is a legit DPOY candidate.

Good point. I’m just bent out about the entire trade. It’s just when the team was in dire need of a pash rush, I felt Carroll went out and gave up way to much for a safety who he thought would nullify that need and it didn’t. I’m in hopes adams gets off this season and justifies the move.

 

[Throwdown]

Do people here know like in general the job of a strong safety is?

‘Specially in this scheme?